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Halo |OT16| Oh Bungie, Where Art Thou?
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Hydranockz
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User 73706
Banned
If you get a headshot with the Incineration Cannon, the explosion should be infinite (explosions release explosions release explosions) until they kill 5 other people.
Twilight Gap
Member
Wahrer | Lead Sandbox Designer
If only Ordnance were limited to those mid-tier weapons...
So the DMR being a nearly game breaking weapon because of its ability to accurately and easily 5 shot people across any halo map... And we're making the weapons like the LR just as good?
I think a buffed BR and everything would be nice but PLEASE reduce red reticle distance and/or autoaim on the mini sniper
I think a buffed BR and everything would be nice but PLEASE reduce red reticle distance and/or autoaim on the mini sniper
NobleGundam
Banned
Nice find! Using it for my Twitter Avatar. Thnx & Kudos =)I finally managed to get a super high res ver of the Halo Reach ranks
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And about weapon tuneups, I'm not questionable as much for the Precision Rifles, but more on the "slightly" buffed Assault Rifles & Vehicles Chain Guns.
How much exactly are they being buffed?
Any plans on tuning AA's like Camo & Jetpack? More on Camo for a nerf.
Perhaps nerfing the Incinerator Cannon to lock-on targets before firing?
Exactly. Easiest method of all time for rebalancing the DMR.
Poker Face
Member
DMR needs the aim assist reduced. It doesn't matter that the other weapons become more powerful, the DMR can still ping with ease from long distances. That + no de-scoping makes it incredibly powerful. FFS they even reduced the auto-aim on the automatic weapons because they got a buff.
More powerful chainguns doesn't change the fact people can spawn with plasma pistols and plasma grenades. Vehicles are still deathtraps in my book.
At least the BR has potential to be a 4-shot again
More powerful chainguns doesn't change the fact people can spawn with plasma pistols and plasma grenades. Vehicles are still deathtraps in my book.
At least the BR has potential to be a 4-shot again
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
343 before launch: "The BR is better for short to mid range, while the DMR is better for long range. The BR will be superior to the DMR close to mid, and DMR superior at long.
Reality: DMR>All regardless of Range.
Reality: DMR>All regardless of Range.
Twilight Gap
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Auto Aim and Bullet Magnetism are the issues. It should have somewhat sniper-like auto aim so it is actually difficult to use. They wont need to change anything else at that point.
I recall saying this before launch...
I recall saying this before launch...
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I still feel the BR is better at mid range, but that may just be based on the skill of the shooter and enemy. DMR destroys at long range, but the BR seems to do well at mid. I'm all for this 4 shot BR though, and buffing my LR and Carbine!
The BR performs adequately on very small maps. Of which there are almost none in the game. Even Haven is big enough to see the DMR has an advantage in most shooting lanes.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
We should just take the DMR...
...And push it back to Reach!
NobleGundam
Banned
DMR has a higher RoF than the BR. I thought this was wrong at first but watched videos to see their comparisons. Did some tests and it is slightly faster.
Carbines Folyfe
Twilight Gap
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Sigh. Every time I get frustrated with 343, something comes along to remind me how awesome they are.
Come on, you guys! I'm no fan of rollercoasters >.>
Oh no, it was just a PM from them I hadn't checked yet.
The changes are definitely a step in the right direction though, but I just really would like to see them tackle the truly pressing issues first.
Come on, you guys! I'm no fan of rollercoasters >.>
I wouldn't go so far as to say the tweaks are awesome, just a large step in the right direction
it could be TU BETA SLAYER all over again!
Oh no, it was just a PM from them I hadn't checked yet.
The changes are definitely a step in the right direction though, but I just really would like to see them tackle the truly pressing issues first.
I wouldn't go so far as to say the tweaks are awesome, just a large step in the right direction
it could be TU BETA SLAYER all over again!
YourExWife
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Judging by that ExWife v HaloGAF's 2nd-String game, I'd have to agree
Please don't start a .gif battle. I'm at work and can't compete.
EagleBurnn
Banned
but I thought we loved Reach now? I'M SO CONFUSED
User 73706
Banned
Just thinking out loud here, but would you guys be fine with reskinning particular campaign weapons so that they're more identifiable in Multiplayer?
For example, let's say in Campaign all the Promethean weapons are orange, while in multiplayer they're tweaked to display separate colors.
For example, let's say in Campaign all the Promethean weapons are orange, while in multiplayer they're tweaked to display separate colors.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
I don't think so, the DMR user has to be bad for the BR user to kill him in a fair gun fight. Like, both encounter and start shooting each other at the same time, with full shields, DMR will win unless he misses shots.
BR being 4 shot with it's current rate of fire would make them equal at least.
Sorry to bring WWE up, but I feel like the DMR is John Cena while the BR is CM Punk.
The DMR is the "most popular" and top of the food chain, even though everyone dislikes it, and the DMR is always "lolDMRWins'.
The BR is the most popular and loved by hardcore/real fans (people begging for it back after Reach removed it) and the BR is the best (for competitive play) and while people want it to be on Top, it won't ever be. And it'll never beat the DMR clean, it always has to win dirty (missed shots/first 2 bullets shot)
Halo CE Pistol is Daniel Bryan, the best ever and everyone loved it and wants it back.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
That's the point! Let it be Reach's gun.
Remember kids, pace your shots and drink your Ovaltine.
Twilight Gap
Member
I see where you're going, but that could lead to a bit of inconsistency and end up confusing us more.
What I feel is the issue (at least if I'm following you right) is that the designs aren't unique enough. It's difficult to distinguish a BiRi from an LR on the floor from a distance. I think that's more to do with their physical shape and less with their colors, though Grey and Orange definitely could be expanded upon.
Pistol >>>
What happens in Reach should stay in Reach.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
Halo 4 weapons that need to make it to Halo 5:
4 shot BR
Carbine that isn't useless (replaceable with Needle Rifle)
Assault Rifle for Tradition (well... 343 doesn't care for tradition... So... Bye AR! Nah, AR can be in for Campaign, keep it out of Multiplayer.
Plasma Pistol (on map pick up)
Sniper Rifle
Pistol
Energy Sword
Rocket Launcher
Needler
Binary Rifle (with less autoaim)
Reach:
Grenade Launcher
4 shot BR
Carbine that isn't useless (replaceable with Needle Rifle)
Assault Rifle for Tradition (well... 343 doesn't care for tradition... So... Bye AR! Nah, AR can be in for Campaign, keep it out of Multiplayer.
Plasma Pistol (on map pick up)
Sniper Rifle
Pistol
Energy Sword
Rocket Launcher
Needler
Binary Rifle (with less autoaim)
Reach:
Grenade Launcher
CreateNowSleepLater
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I don't like the automatics getting a buff. You are just rewarding the jetpackers and camo fuckers. Yes I know they nerfed camo but not really. When I run down a corridor on Haven and they guy is invisible if he starts firing and auto weapon I have no chance. Especially since stopping power slows my movement the second I take damage.
How about increase strafe speed and reduce stopping power?
How about increase strafe speed and reduce stopping power?
You take away the personal loadouts, and the vehicles work pretty well. No one is going to get maul a Warthog on spawn with three EMP shots at first glance. Mantis is probably too powerful as is without having such an unnecessary amount of anti-vehicular weapons on the map (it being more of a defensive vehicle rather than offense is ok; now it's going to do even more). I'd personally ditch it under regular settings; it's a powerful machine without getting EMP spammed. Keep the Warthog, Ghost, and Wraith. These changes are just increasing the strength of these guns to counter the awful loadouts, which isn't really going to solve anything.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Judging by that ExWife v HaloGAF's 2nd-String game, I'd have to agree
Please don't start a .gif battle. I'm at work and can't compete.
We felt bad that you had to play with scrubs, so we let you win.
I'll be on tonight again. Hopefully I play better than I did to end last night.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
Twilight Gap
Member
Grenade Launcher vs Sticky Detonator
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This isn't even a contest. Grenade Launcher all the way.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
Pro Pipe>Scrub Detonator.
I miss the Grenade Launcher. Was good for serious gameplay and perfect for messing around and having fun. Rebound shots/across the map grenade launcher kills felt so good.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
Beta Plasma launcher >>>>>>>
I think the Sticky Detonator is ok, but the Launcher's ability to get in tight corners is what I'm sure people loved the most. Another is the Plasma Launcher instead of the Spartan Laser (or Incineration Cannon, whichever).
There was finally a good anti-vehicle weapon that wasn't grossly overpowered and took a charge up. Enemies had an opportunity to avoid the shots and they still ditched it. Keep the Laser, FRG, and brought in Promethean weapon that was equivalent to the Rockets but with an even bigger splash damage.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
They made it so when you shoot you are almost fully visible. Still useless if you are a sniper or camping in a corner.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Both? Get rid of the Boltshot, add the Grenade Launcher, keep the Detonator.
The Real Napsta
Member
People like you are why we have so many redundant weapons in halo 4.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I don't necessarily see the Sticky Detonator and Grenade Launcher as redundant weapons. The Detonator doesn't have any kind of explode on impact mode. It's more of a "shoot and camp" weapon whereas the Launcher is an "on the fly" weapon. They kind of serve different purposes.
Still, get rid of the Boltshot.
Why can't you use it? A lot of us use it and it works well (even better once the 4sk update is applied). Only time I switch to DMR is on a map with huuuuuge sightlines.
Twilight Gap
Member
I really wish I could use the BR in MP. I use it in Spops and it's awesome. I genuinely love how it looks in this game, especially with the Arctic skin.
Cuz I'm bad
For some reason I get destroyed by BRs, and I still get destroyed when I use it. I was never good with it in H2/H3 either.
I'm no fan of the DMR, but it's the only gun I can use >.>
Cuz I'm bad
For some reason I get destroyed by BRs, and I still get destroyed when I use it. I was never good with it in H2/H3 either.
I'm no fan of the DMR, but it's the only gun I can use >.>
YourExWife
Member
Ummm...The launcher served both of these purposes and with more skill, finesse, and fun.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Maybe the GL wouldn't have been a niche weapon in Reach if they kept its beta property of exploding on enemy impact regardless of range.
Whatever, Reach had a lot of bad things but that GL was a thing of beauty. It even looks better than the sticky launcher.
Whatever, Reach had a lot of bad things but that GL was a thing of beauty. It even looks better than the sticky launcher.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Yeah, it had the "hold and detonate mode" I guess. I like both though, I always used the Launcher more to bank nades off walls. I guess you could combine the two and add the mini radar to the Launcher and call it good?
Not sure about this, is the Detonator really all that much easier to use? The Launcher was pretty damn easy to kill with. Both are easy weapons to learn, you just have less options with the Detonator.
Rickenslacker
Banned
little known fact the gl actually had a proximity display that would tell you when someone was in the radius of your grenade
Twilight Gap
Member
The grenade launcher already had a sensor on it, but it wasn't as pronounced.
Out BR'd
Out BR'd
User 73706
Banned
Scrap both, replace with Pulsebuster. Looks like a Promethean revolver, primary fire is a Sticky Detonator round, holding down the trigger makes it behave like a Grenade Launcher round, EMP and all. Up to 11 shots.
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