Issue with Palmer is that they're forcing her into the spotlight. 343 seem to want a character they made to be up front with John when that just isn't going to happen. If a female character was to be likable, she would have to be written in a way that she doesn't take story or time away from John. Oh and not say egghead.
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Issue with Palmer is that they're forcing her into the spotlight. 343 seem to want a character they made to be up front with John when that just isn't going to happen. If a female character was to be likable, she would have to be written in a way that she doesn't take story or time away from John. Oh and not say egghead.
Zeouterlimits
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
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To be fair there are some interesting parallels or interplays between John and Palmer e.g. she follows higher up orders and shoots Halsey, this shows how far John has developed as there was a time in his past that he would blindly follow orders like Palmer did. The Cortana "leave this planet" bit reinforces that he's beyond just blindly following orders these days.
It's not all baaad with Palmer.
EDIT: Speaking of female characters....
Caayn
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The thing is that Palmer acts like a child, not like a Spartan. She ignored a direct order from Lasky ordering her to stand down, Lasky outranks her by one rank. She got mad when Majestic tried to save Halsey and desperately tried to shoot her, working against her fellow Spartans. Is rude to anyone who isn't a Spartan, eggheads eggheads etc. Shoots before thinking. Damages UNSC equipment because she can't control her rage. And the list goes on and on.
She doesn't feel like a Spartan at all. But then again neither do any of the Spartan IVs. (imo)
They all act like regular, asshole, off the street people who happen to be wearing power suits. The armor doesn't make the Spartan. It's intentional, but it's poorly done and not enjoyable in the least.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Cortana, Kat, and Miranda weren't likeable? ;P
Oh boy. The more hints are being thrown at us the more I feel certain of it.To be fair there are some interesting parallels or interplays between John and Palmer e.g. she follows higher up orders and shoots Halsey, this shows how far John has developed as there was a time in his past that he would blindly follow orders like Palmer did. The Cortana "leave this planet" bit reinforces that he's beyond just blindly following orders these days.
It's not all baaad with Palmer.
EDIT: Speaking of female characters....
Zeouterlimits
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Protagonist not a word you're fully familiar with?
To be fair there are some interesting parallels or interplays between John and Palmer e.g. she follows higher up orders and shoots Halsey, this shows how far John has developed as there was a time in his past that he would blindly follow orders like Palmer did. The Cortana "leave this planet" bit reinforces that he's beyond just blindly following orders these days.
It's not all baaad with Palmer.
EDIT: Speaking of female characters....
Didact obviously kept a copy of the 'evolved ancilla' (I think that's what he called it), probably fixed it with his mad forerunner tech.
Also, excite
Interesting. Do we know what she's talking about?EDIT: Speaking of female characters....
Speedy Blue Dude
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I'd definitely argue that Cortana is a main character. Miranda played a huge role in the original trilogy, and Kat was probably the most important member of Noble Team.
Zeouterlimits
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Free Dictionary :
Etymology, based on Greek origin of the word :
But I can give you Cortana as a protagonist sure. The other two, no, sorry.
"Kat was probably the most important member of Noble Team." Debatable, if not laughable, and so far from being protagonist you're practically grasping at straws.
Poker Face
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If they can make XBL campaign co-op work, and I can play multiplayer online that's all I want. Anything else on top of that for H2A is a bonus.
Cortana is a duetagonist, sure. But Chief is and has been the protagonist. You can only have one.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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You're missing the chain of command, Palmer new Osman gave the order and Lasky didn't like that order and was breaking the chain of command. Palmer acted like a Spartan "robot", followed her orders to the letter and Lasky acted like a human. If you don't like Palmer that's subjective opinion but the writing is actually quite solid in this respect.
Too right, again it's by design, the SIV's don't come from the best genetic matches and raising/training etc, they're from the ODST pools of regular enlisted folks who are already grown up dudebros etc. It wasn't to my personal liking as I prefer John & blue team over them but again the writing here was really quite solid, it even gave rise to Halsey's comments about Thorne being closer to Spartan material than the others. Further if you read the books and established lore about ODST behaviour it all fits in very well indeed.
I know. I'm saying they shouldn't get rid of them when redoing the activation thing. Like, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Basically have it work exactly the same as 3 and CEA. Just trying to be thorough so there's not misunderstanding.
I said pretty much musts, meaning I very heavily want them. If one or two is missing, I'll still probably try to get my hands on it. If all are missing, then I might wait a while.
Is that a beta build of halo xbox one or ?Wu sent me this awhile back, make it happen
Halo 2 beta (guessing late 2003 or 2004).
Again, ntkrnl said they are doing all kinds of stuff to it. I don't think Microsoft is taking this release lightly. Both ntkrnl and Famousmortimer said that MS is taking a very different approach to this game than CEA. So therefore this:
would not be true, since you can't base your assumptions off of CEA anymore.
Also:
This is what I asked earlier:
It's just an optional thing for people who were flabbergasted that it wasn't there for a sequel.
Care to elaborate in light my last couple posts?
Oh ok. Yeah that would be very cool.
Nostalgia is powerful, but "millions"? You cannot be serious. CEA did pretty well and I believe it just touched the million mark. Pretty sure the best H2A could hope for, given the Xbone's smaller install base at the potential time of release, would be to hit CEA numbers - I doubt it would though.
Right now you are essentially saying a Halo 2 multiplayer update/remaster is gonna "save" Halo. Millions of sales. Never going to happen.
H2A Predictions:
Theatre: Nope
Screenshots/Clips/Streaming/Movies: Nope
Kinect: Yup
SmartGlass: Yup
Skulls: Yup
"Original" Multiplayer: Nope
Online Co-Op: Yup
Halo 4 Multiplayer Remakes of Halo 2 levels: Yup
New Achievements: Yup
(long-time lurker, first time poster) I agree generally with this assessment. My take is that a dedicated MP is more likely due to being the first Halo game on XB1, but the temptation to reuse an MP engine/system that's already built will be...high. The difference between building an entirely new MP system and rebuilding the Halo 2 system would be negligible, and both would cost way more than re-using the old system.
Basically, be pessimistic on this so you can be pleasantly surprised if they exceed expectations.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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And I still love the simple lineart Halo 2 UI.
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Prinz Eugn
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To be fair, they did have Halsey remark on that in Spartan Ops, and it makes perfect sense for Spartan IVs to be more "human" since they weren't trained to be killing machines since they were little kinds.
But otherwise, Palmer is just the shining example of 343i trying to do something with a character (Smartassery!) and taking it too far (Being a bitch!).
Syphon Filter
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Just finished the Reach campaign, pretty good.
I liked the lone wolf unexpected level at the end.
It was a good way to die.
Another 100%.
How many have you 100%ed?
Another 100%.
Legendary was really cheapened with the infinity ammo and exploding grunt skulls, IMO
Another 100%.
CEA was a pretty fun and easy one to go through. Wish they'd been a little more adventurous with skull locations and achievements per missions though.
(On the other hand, CE's been covered so much it would be hard to hide one without making a placement feel "cheap" by doing something like requiring a warthog jump, etc. But maybe hiding one more like they did Bandanna would have been cool.)
Speaking of which, it would be sort of cool as a "remastered" feature for a possible H2A if the skulls were hidden in a different place so you had to hunt for them again.
Yes please.
3 games. CEA, H2:V, Reach. Have 1 achievement left in ODST, 4 achievements in 3. A bunch that I'm never going to get in Halo 4. A bunch that I'm never going to get in Wars. And all of the Spartan Assault achievements.
The Library is such a chore that I wouldn't have bothered with it had it not been for the infinite ammo skull.
Thanks!
Honestly the hardest two achievements in there were the Library with no deaths and the "Tying Up Loose Ends". I just wanted the last achievement to be the Legendary complete one. As for the H2A, ehhhhh, fine. I guess.
The Library one I kept screwing myself over because I went grenade happy and forgot how CE grenades go boom very easily. I turned off bandanna and got it first try (helps that you've got a killer pistol, shotgun, and they basically make it easy to never have to switch weapons at that point and any time after.)
In terms of campaign achievements over all the games, I think ODST's were best, but I did appreciate how open-ended the metagame score ones in Halo 3 were--you could mix and match the skulls to bump up the difficulty you needed for the multipliers your way, or you could just try speedrunning it for the time bonus.
nillapuddin
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Trying to do repeat survivor myself. But idiots keep driving my rocket hog away when I specifically position it in a way I can get Splasered and move on. I tried to get the assassination of hardlight shield myself, but I gave it to like 50 people back in the DLC playlist, no one reciprocated. We have enough guys, we can probably just boost all of them one day lol
Join Trueachievements, start a lobby, get them out of the way in an hour of playtime.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Assault rifle in halo 2 campaign? Ehhh fuck that.
I've 100% in halo 3, odst, wars, CEA, and the only reach achievement I need is the assassination of someone coming out of armour lock.
Never got the recent halo 4 dlc so forget those achievements
I've 100% in halo 3, odst, wars, CEA, and the only reach achievement I need is the assassination of someone coming out of armour lock.
Never got the recent halo 4 dlc so forget those achievements
nillapuddin
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fuck the specificity of these damn MP achievements
we have had to put up with this shit for far too fucking long
Seems too complicated getting it all organized. Just got the repeat survivor one in a game of heavies king of the hill Ragnarok. Hill was right near base, easy to just go into next vehicle, let it get destroyed. Most of the ones I need are majestic as it is. Have almost all castle save for shield assassination. Not too worried, all I hated was the recent odd number one.
I had all the achievements in Halo 4 for only a few weeks. I haaaaaate DLC achievements.
What? Guys, just add new ones. There's a ton of things you could do with new skulls, like a third person view skull (always wanted one of those), etc.
What a wasteful and stupid way to die. A single Spartan, especially Noble Six ("hyper lethal") could have done something useful, instead of staying in one place merely fighting until death. One-Spartan guerrilla campaign can't be outside of Noble Six's skill-set. Or perhaps he could have stolen a Phantom and crashed it to a Covenant cruiser or something like that.
I don't think anybody has actually explained why they feel this way. I mean, it's not really a big deal, but why not as an option?
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