Zoso Achilles
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I forgot, I never use a gun's scope on any map but big team maps.
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Halo |OT5| Believe, Again
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You'd be amazed at how much an actual skill-gap adds to a shooter.
Because unscoping is awful in every situation using a scope.
You guys are worried about the scope? Dun worry, you don't even have to bother with fancy scopes til you're Major Grade 1. Hell, you don't even get to use the DMR until a little before that.
am i doin it rite
Still, I am firmly in the skeptical camp. For multiplayer at least.
am i doin it rite
Haha, I agree. If nothing else, at least Halo 4's core multiplayer gameplay looks very good. Movement looks nice, as well as jump height and strafing.
Still, I am firmly in the skeptical camp. For multiplayer at least.
squidhands
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That is completely untrue.
Taking shots to the body and still being scoped is something I could deal with, but headshots should absoulutely, positively take you out of scope. Especially considering the animations we've seen of the head getting rocked back when taking bullets to the face.
That remains to be seen.
If Halo 4 has a great strafe and low aim assist, I'll be a happy gamer. However, I don't hold much hope for that seeing as how we haven't had that in a Halo game for over 10 years.
Not really, it provides a rhythm to battles and allows you to have an opportunity to turn a mid/long-range battle towards your favor.
Why.
What design problem does unscoping when shot solve? It doesn't solve one because there isn't one, it creates the problem of situations where effectively fighting back is impossible.
Specifically, it makes it impossible to fight back if getting shot from mid/long range by a DMR.
That's what I'm saying.
I kinda like the battle with scoping in and out though. Makes it more important to hit shots fast.
Anytime. We won't rest until you have a warm head.
People have said that aim assist is lowered, as well as strafing being great, have they not? The MLG guys especially seem to have that opinion.
It may be in your experience that it makes fighting back impossible, but that hasn't been the case for me and seemingly a few others.
Rickenslacker
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Mostly to deal with snipers since they have absolute range advantage. In terms of a DMR/BR-off, there's a back and forth by trying to "no scope" and unscope the other's to give yourself an advantage at longer ranges.
Well that's great for you, but in practice removing descoping from the DMR changes nothing about the gameplay other than actually making long range DMR fights based on skill rather than who shoots who first and prevents whoever they're shooting from being able to shoot back.
So unnecessary annoying gunplay. How about we just determine those by, you know, outshooting and outaiming.
Just imagine a guy perched up on a ledge with his BR/DMR. He's picking off your team one by one, and there's nothing you can do about it. You have no way to upset his aim.
Now imagine scenarios like this, but one with the guy having an overshield, or perma radar (even when scoped, making flanking useless).
BF3 had a suppression mechanic that I quite enjoy. Taken out of scope when shot is the closest thing to it, and I really want that in Halo. I'm disappointed if it's not.
Not directly, plus at this point its all colored by the situation. They played a few games of a brand new title that is super hyped up. Their opinions, while certainly valid, are not fact and are very likely being stated through rose-colored glasses.
Half of the campaign you play as a P-Knight.
Well the lead War Games designer and David Ellis will be at the MLG event tomorrow.
Maybe if they see something is really imbalanced, like not being descoped, they will change it.
I think only being descoped when you get a headshot would be a good medium, it does rock your head back pretty significantly after all.
Maybe if they see something is really imbalanced, like not being descoped, they will change it.
I think only being descoped when you get a headshot would be a good medium, it does rock your head back pretty significantly after all.
How is it possible you cannot see you are arguing against yourself... that is exactly what being unscoped when hit accomplishes. It creates a layer of skill... those that can handle it... and those that can't... in the process of outshooting, and outaiming.
Rickenslacker
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Then outshoot and outaim him with lesser aim-assist because you can't scope. The other scenario as mentioned is having the dude hiding somewhere with a pixel sticking out and having poor means of retaliation.
Hypertrooper
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If I was the guy sniping, I'd just take cover, crouch walk into a corner, then wait til you came near me, then pull out my handy dandy Promethean Vision. I see you coming from around the corner, then I whip out the 'ole shotgun that I spawned with. Kill you, then head back to my perch.
Maybe have a team mate throw down a turret just for good measure.
Evolution! lol
If it's anything Kevin Franklin really wants to hear what Nexy disliked about the game and wanted changed from what he played at E3. They will probably do a overall impressions video after MLG Anaheim on what they would liked changed. Seems they are listening which is good. (not that I was doubting it)
Tha Robbertster
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I think that's just the videos. All the impressions from people are very positive about the sound.
On BTB maps, perhaps, but that's more of an issue with the maps themselves rather then getting knocked out of scope. I don't see how removing descoping is going to solve the problem you claim (that being whoever shoots whoever first wins,) with my BTB experiences most long range battles are dictated by who sees who first, so removing the ability to descope someone would in turn keep whoever gets spotted and shot first at a disadvantage without providing them a proper opportunity to rectify that, if that makes sense.
First, it doesn't matter if it makes it involve more skill. Who cares. It may cause more skill, it's still annoying and unnecessary. Also, why do we need more skill than "i can still outshoot you at this range even if you hit me first."
Because it's impossible to win a gunfight if you get shot first.
Oh wait, you can, but not at long range because mechanics make it impossible.
But you can play as an Elite in Reach in Invasion. So I'm guessing there might be a gametype where you play as a Promethean.
I've won plenty gunfights when I get shot first at every range, just because you haven't doesn't make it an issue.
Ajemsuhgao
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Just played and..base speed is definitely faster. You CAN get knocked out of scope, but only if you take high damage. Thruster pack is like Gears rolling. Any direction that you tap or hold while hitting LB.
Yes it does, because its unnecessary. You would win more if it wasn't there and you were actually able to outshoot them.
Brolic Gaoler
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So if your shields get popped or something?
Still hate it.
Thanks for the impressions though
MrGreencastle
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That's really interesting. I'm assuming these damage models can change based on the weapon you're wielding.
why wouldnt the spartans train to fight the enemy?
The Real Napsta
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lol you don't get knocked out of scope while being shot?
Just like Call of Duty!
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
They are, by fighting themselves.
I know this is a late reply but I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be a younger version of Frankie
Do you even remember what you have said?
How about we just determine those by, you know, outshooting and outaiming
Which is what gets done when you can't handle being knocked out. It's not impossible - mechanics make it so some can and some can't. Clearly you can't and don't like it... but just because you can't doesn't mean the game should be dumbed down to your level.
Do it your way, and first shot wins much more often, which is exactly what you are saying happens with being knocked out.
smh
Thats just going to make it confusing.
How many AR bullets does it take? 20 or 21?
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RedSparrows
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Game looks a lot faster than Reach.
Not sure why one preview saying it is slow counterbalances many other comments to the contrary.
So excited for the game, but the MP has so many small worries: PV possibly being overpowered, perks and specs combining to be OP, drops and kill bonuses making the best even stronger.
Not sure why one preview saying it is slow counterbalances many other comments to the contrary.
So excited for the game, but the MP has so many small worries: PV possibly being overpowered, perks and specs combining to be OP, drops and kill bonuses making the best even stronger.
The videos confuse me because players are obviously faster, yet it looks more paced than Reach gameplay. I like this, but I can't figure out why. It definitely looks more like Halo 3 gameplay as far as jumping/running/strafing/aiming. Yet sprint and all the armor effects are there. My mind is full of fuck.
Edit: Wow, similar comment ^
Edit: Wow, similar comment ^
smfh, dealing with knock out is just dealing with an unnecessary and annoying feature that doesn't need to fucking exist. What, why do fucking long range gunfights need an extraneous bullshit mechanic when it could be just like every other fucking gunfight, the guy who outshoots and outaims wins. And no, knocking out has nothing to do with that, because even if you are able to outshoot and outaim him you can't because he's halfway across the map, and it's impossible to find him, zoom in, find him again and shoot him without being unscoped because of the DMR's perfect accuracy and fire rate.
Zoso Achilles
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So you're saying that not getting knocked out of scope will rectify this in a long range situation? Here's what happens: dude shoots you from long range (he gets the first shot) and then just proceeds to shoot you 4 more times before you can turn, zoom in, and fire back 5 times. At least with the ability to be hit out of scope you can strafe a shot or two and hit him out of scope, possibly making him retreat.
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