Gonna have to agree with Shake here. Armor Lock totally paused the action and it was something the player could perform at will multiple times in one instant. Not fun. And fighting opponents without knowledge of what they're capable of is frustrating and not fun either. It's going to be even worse now with tactical packages and mods that do not present a visual cue on the character model. I mean, if you see a player wielding a shotgun in a close quarters area then, because you have that knowledge, you can make the decision to steer clear of him/her. But what if his shotgun was invisible? That would be difficult to counter, if not impossible based on your own load out, and inherently frustrating.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Halo |OT7| You may leave, Juices. And take Team Downer with you.
- Thread starter GhaleonEB
- Start date
- Status
It is posts like these that make me hesitate to click "Submit Reply" more often, and I mean that in a good way.
Excellent posts Shake. You've pretty much summed up my feelings on Halo 4 in a more articulate manner. I'm really hoping that I'll love this game, but there is this little voice of doubt in my head that will be there until I get to play it.
Gunnerdude
Neo Member
Montain Dew Incoming marketplace
This is legit, its on the "Mt. Dew Tour UK" Facebook page under their images.
Hoping for actual Game Fuel instead of just different labels on regular and code red...
It fits so well. GG Elzar (Feel dirty saying this).
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I agree with Armor Lock critique, but have yet to see anything in Halo 4 that worries me as AL did/does.
Great Post. This is what I don't like about armor abilities and specializations. You summed it up perfectly.
But I am still open to these ideas in Halo 4, and would like to try them out and see how they work.
I also agree with this. Only things that worry me in theory are the Jetpack, Auto turret, and Hardlight Shield.
Kibbles
Member
Montain Dew Incoming marketplace
Double XP caps baby
Latvian Hitman
Member
Yep- this is why I've always felt that AA's should be placed on the maps strategically (on a per map basis) and function like power-ups in previous Halo games and should die with their user, starting a respawn timer for the AA. That way you have an idea of what's coming at you based on what area of the map your opponent(s) have recently had access to.
Hopefully this will be the type of approach taken in the "classic" style playlists in H4. And hopefully it shows up in more playlists than just MLG this go-around. And, obviously, "perks" should be disabled entirely for these hoppers as well. Loadouts don't really bother me, as long as they're well handled.
Shake Appeal
Member
So am I, so would I.
There have been quite a few things Halo has introduced over the years that I've worried about before release, or disliked after. Hasn't stopped me being on board for the series and buying the next game without hesitation.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
There will be ten Infinity playlists, and one "classic" Slayer/Objective playlist. On those big ass maps we saw at E3, 4v4, no sprint, good luck finding anybody
I shouldn't pick up the game and INSTANTLY know everything I need to, there has to be a learning process.
Colors => Abilities shouldn't be that hard.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Honestly, every playlist should have sprint. I'm sure they will have a throwback playlist or something for those who want no goodies added to the gameplay.
Hopefully the classic playlists will include forged remakes. Frankie did say they are working with community cartographers to have forge maps, "both familiar and new", ready at launch.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
At least I know going in that everybody has Sprint, including you.
Shake Appeal
Member
I would hope they commit to everyone having sprint always, in any game mode, just because it affects map design so much.
Tamu?
Montain Dew Incoming marketplace
Sweet... Halo 4 gamefuel.
I'm surprised at how much publicity H4 is getting... A lot more than Reach.
Tis nessicary to regain to FPS throne from COD
Exactly.
I can't wait for 343 to put out a specialization and armor ability video, kind of like that weapon one they did yesterday. That way we can see everything in action and how they perform.
Hopefully the Auto Turret will be limited to a very select few playlists or restricted to the campaign like it was in Halo 3. I just don't see how an auto turret would work in MP.
We'll need a miracle for that one...
I don't see how people can still play CoD. There's a reason I broke my MW3 disc...
I also like how we've (most likely) talked more about CoD than the MW3 OT.
_Computer_
Banned
I want to see Halo 4 trailers on every channel every other commercial break.
Nothing is confirmed nor denied. I could dance instead of Hyper, if you need a dancing German.
Gamefuel heh? Chance getting it here is like 0
No way in the world will Halo 4 outsell Black Ops 2. Not even on 360.
I'm not trying to be a pessimist, but there's no chance that it will outsell CoD.
The only thing that outsells a Call of Duty game is the one that comes after it.
It's like seeing Obama2012 campaign ads on every channel but Fox News, is what COD's Marketing is like. 343 should have a full blowout, they have the resources.
Orochinagis
Member
MS even aired the Halo Reach TV ad in Mexico so I hope they do the same with Halo 4
Depends. Halo 4 definately won't beat CoD, but Halo 5 may. Halo 4 will be the game (hopefully) that will hopefully regain Halo's popularity, then Halo 5 may beat CoD.
It hurts because it's true.
Franklinator
Member
It won't matter how many ads they have for the game, it's not going to be anywhere close to CoD numbers.
Only way Halo 5 has a chance is if CoD popularity dwindles.
indubitably
Member
Also, Mario Kart.
I wouldn't say that Halo 4 has absolutely no chance to outsell COD on the 360, it is literally all in how much they advertise. Battlefield 3 sold way more than expected because of their ridiculously expensive advertising campaign.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I think Halo 4 can outsell CoD on 360. Overall, no, but on 360, potentially. Halo 3 sold about 12 mil, Blops 1 sold about 13 mil on 360. I think it's plausible.
_Computer_
Banned
Well there is no way they could buy more air time then M$. They have the funds to make this game huge.
squidhands
Member
I have a question that may or may not have already been answered:
Do the specializations like the extra ammo only work for certain weapons, or is it across the board? Do you get extra battery life out of the Covenant/Promethean weapons, or the >vomit< Spartan Laser? Does it only apply to starting and secondary weapons?
I totally agree with the thoughts that AA's and specializations need to be more obvious to opponents.
- Promethean Vision: Dr. Horrible goggles on your head
- Hard Light Shield - show the unit that deploys it on the right forearm
- Hologram - meh, doesn't need anything. Maybe include the stupid Schwarzenegger laugh from Total Recall.
- ?
Do the specializations like the extra ammo only work for certain weapons, or is it across the board? Do you get extra battery life out of the Covenant/Promethean weapons, or the >vomit< Spartan Laser? Does it only apply to starting and secondary weapons?
I totally agree with the thoughts that AA's and specializations need to be more obvious to opponents.
- Promethean Vision: Dr. Horrible goggles on your head
- Hard Light Shield - show the unit that deploys it on the right forearm
- Hologram - meh, doesn't need anything. Maybe include the stupid Schwarzenegger laugh from Total Recall.
- ?
Orochinagis
Member
Still, it didnt outsell COD and their recents moves make me play the game less and less.
Franklinator
Member
True, there's a possibility in the long run that Halo will sell more than BO2 on 360. But at launch it has no chance.
That's what I'm saying, they have the resources to make Halo 4 "The Comeback Kid"
I don't even think in the long run. Isn't Modern Warfare 3 still consistently part of the top 10 in the NPD's? I don't know how Reach fared after 8 months.
I'd give Halo 5 a shot. Although that depends on Halo 4's quality.
indubitably
Member
Right, but it improved what would have otherwise been rather low numbers, more than doubling the sales of Bad Company 2.
Keep in mind that CoD pretty much has supreme reign over the FPS genre.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Yes- but they're not just going to throw money down the drain, either. The level of frequency in any ad campaign will always be bound by a point of diminishing returns- where every additional dollar spent will create fewer sales than the dollar before it. It is foolish to spend very far past that point- you're effectively throwing money away after having already saturated your target audience.
From there, sales #'s depend on other factors: ie- the perceived quality of the game, pricing, timing of the release, etc.
_Computer_
Banned
M$ is not so interested in selling copy's of Halo as they are console's. They want to push Xbox's with this game. Thats the money maker. Oh you bought a Xbox now pay us 60 a year for each live account in your family. Also be sure to indulge in all are over priced online goodies.
TS x Massacre
Member
hahaha. But yeah, very true.Latvian Hitman
Member
Excellent point. MS is really the ultimate winner here.
I'm not saying the there's a snowball's chance in hell of Halo 4 outselling BlOps 2 on the 360, 343 knows this, M$ knows this, but i'm saying that if they pump more money into marketing, they more more they will get in return. I mean go to gamestop, do you see a single Halo 4 poster anywhere on the windows on the outside, if you do, that's extremely rare, and it could be better.
Mister Negative
Member
After what Reach did to the Halo community no amount of advertising is going to make it outsell BLOPS2.
TS x Massacre
Member
Yeah, absolutely destroyed. I too will say Halo 5 has a chance on a next-gen system if Halo 4 does really well and it holds a much bigger community than Reach.
_Computer_
Banned
I heard a rumor a long time ago about M$ getting rid of the Microsoft points BS. I really hope its true. I am tired of having to buy $10.00 wroth of point to rent a $5.00 movie. Its such a scam.
indubitably
Member
About a month ago the local gamestop by me had a Halo 4 stand and no BO2 stuff but now it's the opposite. Also, every time you make a purchase there, the cashier basically forces a preorder for BO2 on you. That may be because of the timed preorder bonuses or to remain console neutral, but I have never heard them ask me about a Halo 4 preorder.
I just saw some article on gametrailers about real money purchases being a glitch.
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mi...glitch?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
- Status