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[SonOfABeep]

I like zooming in on all the detail in the weapons. The little things in this game really impress me. Should get some more from my hard drive before the beta is over.

oops, stupid photobucket.

 

[Mush]

Anyone wanna help me render some films? They're probably not montage worthy but if anyone thinks otherwise, please let me know! :lol

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=1106796
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=125539

Thanks in advance!

 

[Ominym]

Is this the same thing Jorge is always seen holding in the leaked screens?

Except for the shield, and maybe a tiny bit of paint, it looks to me like its exactly the same.

 

[dslgunstar]

Bloom is supposed to add randomness. Its a punishment for using a weapon improperly.

Shooting a pistol at insane speeds SHOULDN'T work as well as taking your time with shots.

You still have the option to do it, and a chance that it might work, but your chances go up as you approach a rate of fire consistent with the weapon's purpose.

It's the same principle that Bungie used to keep players from running around no-scoping with the sniper in Halo 3 (fixed from Halo 2), only now its being applied to mid-range weapons as well as that long-range weapon and it's being visualized.

 

[Nutter]

What's with all the junior's getting out of line tonight?

And whats with you policing the thread? Were you around for Halo 3? ODST? no? so STFU.

Bungie leveled the playing field for everyone, there is no supposed skill with the bloom. You getting a random head shot while spamming doesn't make you any better of a player.

 

[DeadFalling]

Maybe it's because I played halo 3 first and then played Halo CE, but the gas effect made it looked silly to me. The clean cut look of the successors were better.

You guys seem to fear elites a lot in general. I felt they were very cunning and deadly opponents as well, but I never fears the things, especially when they made that hilarious death scream whenever they died by explosion. :lol

Psh. They are evil aliens that are destroying the human race. You are supposed to fear them


and for the new page:

 

[SonOfABeep]

k here's the photos

UT style decapitation headshots confirmed!

 

[Red]

And whats with you policing the thread? Were you around for Halo 3? ODST? no? so STFU.

Bungie leveled the playing field for everyone, there is no supposed skill with the bloom. You getting a random head shot while spamming doesn't make you any better of a player.

But timing your shots to reliably land headshots does, and that's the point.

 

[AwesomeSyrup]

Another problem with bloom is it's impossible to win one on two unless the other guys both completely suck.

 

[DeadFalling]

But timing your shots to reliably land headshots does, and that's the point.

Arguing that the bloom doesn't make it so veterans are more likely to die from new players is just dumb. The way it is now the new players have a chance to get a hit when under the old system they would not. How is that not making it so veterans cannot dominate as easily? The new system takes skill yes, but at the same time it is allowing new players to get lucky, when before there was less/no luck factor.

im not sure atm on which side i fall under on the bloom debate, just sayin

 

[Ramirez]

God, put this thread to rest. :lol

I am enjoying all of the pro tips on bad game mechanics by people who admit they're terrible though.

 

[UltimaPooh]

And whats with you policing the thread? Were you around for Halo 3? ODST? no? so STFU.

Bungie leveled the playing field for everyone, there is no supposed skill with the bloom. You getting a random head shot while spamming doesn't make you any better of a player.

Yeah. I was around for those. Sorry I'm not as vocal as you guys about something so stupid as reticule bloom.

 

[AwesomeSyrup]

Yeah. I was around for those. Sorry I'm not as vocal as you guys about something so stupid as reticule bloom.

It's not stupid, it has a huge affect on the gameplay.

 

[Tashi]

http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/careerstats.aspx?player=SpykeMasta&vc=2

Nooope.

Top 3 tools of destruction

AR
Melee
Hammer

Arena. I need it to be more vanilla for Fall. Pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaseeeeeee

 

[UltimaPooh]

It's not stupid, it has a huge affect on the gameplay.

I am aware of that.

That's the reason why people are for it and against it.

 

[Voltron64]

But timing your shots to reliably land headshots does, and that's the point.

There you have it guys. Case closed.

 

[SonOfABeep]

What's the solution then? turn down the bloom? turn it off? because that makes the pistol a destroyer of worlds.

Or they have to nerf it and turn off the bloom, then they'd have to tone it down to the halo 2-3 pistol again.

Am I the only one who really likes the idea that a spartan firing a high caliber pistol rapidly in semi-auto can't fire it on the head of a dime a full clip in a row, but has optics that calculate what kind of range the bullets will spray to? I think that's kinda cool.

And I like having to time the shots. Random firing usually doesn't do much but make me have to reload and die.

 

[AwesomeSyrup]

I am aware of that.

That's the reason why people are for it and against it.

So far the only people who seem to be for it are people that hardly play Halo. Doesn't seem like a good idea to keep it around when those people won't be playing after a few months.

 

[GhaleonEB]

But timing your shots to reliably land headshots does, and that's the point.

The problem is, that's only true in limited situations. From close to close-mid range, it is far, far better to trigger spam than to pace your shots. An example: here. I'm working on pacing my shots, and land seven of the eight. But it would have been better for me to unload faster and then get some extras from the next clip in.

Now, that was pistol versus AR. But had it been pistol versus pistol from the same distance, the player trigger spamming would have won. And if both players were doing that, the one lucky enough to land a headshot first would have won. And so the combat from that rage is reduced to trigger spam and hoping you take the other guy out with a lucky headshot - or grenade - first.

At least, that's been my experience. I've been trying pretty hard to understand and work with the system through the Beta, and have even defended the bloom quite often. But I've concluded it's to the detriment of the combat ultimately.

 

[Red]

So far the only people who seem to be for it are people that hardly play Halo. Doesn't seem like a good idea to keep it around when those people won't be playing after a few months.

I poured literally hundreds of hour into H1. Hundreds. Thought the series lost its "magic touch" until playing this beta. Been loving it. Haven't had so much fun with a multiplayer shooter in years.

What's especially relevant here is that I've played nearly 1500 rounds of H3 multiplayer and have a solid 1.5 k/d in H2. I guess I can't blame you. Selective info does help argue a point.

The problem is, that's only true in limited situations. From close to close-mid range, it is far, far better to trigger spam than to pace your shots. An example: here. I'm working on pacing my shots, and land seven of the eight. But it would have been better for me to unload faster and then get some extras from the next clip in.

Now, that was pistol versus AR. But had it been pistol versus pistol from the same distance, the player trigger spamming would have won. And if both players were doing that, the one lucky enough to land a headshot first would have won. And so the combat from that rage is reduced to trigger spam and hoping you take the other guy out with a lucky headshot - or grenade - first.

At least, that's been my experience. I've been trying pretty hard to understand and work with the system through the Beta, and have even defended the bloom quite often. But I've concluded it's to the detriment of the combat ultimately.

I sort of agree with you on the close range pistol v. pistol combat. I disagree in calling it "lucky," though I acknowledge that is a possibility, but obviously my .8 k/d is several inches too short to be taken seriously by the stalwarts of HaloGAF.

 

[AwesomeSyrup]

Didn't the lead guy on Halo 2's MP leave? Bungie needs to rehire him before September so he can work some magic.

 

[Plywood]

Didn't the lead guy on Halo 2's MP leave? Bungie needs to rehire him before September so he can work some magic.

Gotta implement that BXR and Double/Quadshot yo.

Spoiler

Hell no.

 

[Tashi]

Well the headshot hit box is being altered so I'm no worried. My problem with the bloom and aiming was that it looked like I was getting headshots but somehow I wasn't.

 

[Butane123]

What's the solution then? turn down the bloom? turn it off? because that makes the pistol a destroyer of worlds..

I think it would be rather nice to be able to lock the bloom to its most accurate level as an option in custom gametypes.

All in all, bloom doesn't really bother me.

 

[Nutter]

I poured literally hundreds of hour into H1. Hundreds. Thought the series lost its "magic touch" until playing this beta. Been loving it. Haven't had so much fun with a multiplayer shooter in years.

I sort of agree with you on the close range pistol v. pistol combat. I disagree in calling it "lucky," though I acknowledge that is a possibility, but obviously my .8 k/d is several inches too short to be taken seriously by the stalwarts of HaloGAF.

Coming from a guy who has played less then 100 games so far and he apparently likes the game. :lol

 

[feel]

Sorry about not inviting you Ghal, past experiences with other gaffers coming into my foreign speaking party and then getting really annoyed fast and leaving after one game plus the fact that I was about to leave after one more game, made me respond in that rude way when you asked for an invite. Sorry, see you online some other time.




Can't wait for some classic Big Team Battle in the final game, with normal weapon/vehicle spawns.

Would be a cool touch if this displayed your service tag in mp.

 

[Red]

Coming from a guy who has played less then 100 games so far and he apparently likes the game. :lol

I've played 97 games. How many more do I need to become sentient?

I work two jobs and am a full time student. I play in my free time.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Coming from a guy who has played less then 100 games so far and he apparently likes the game. :lol

Can we stop the litmus test for determining when someone's opinion is valid or not?

Sorry about not inviting you Ghal, past experiences with other gaffers coming into my foreign speaking party and then getting really annoyed fast and leaving after one game plus the fact that I was about to leave after one more game, made me respond in that rude way when you asked for an invite. Sorry, see you online some other time.

No worries, you weren't rude at all.

 

[Red]

Can we stop the litmus test for determining when someone's opinion is valid or not?

Thank you.

I like the game, let me enjoy it. I'm not trying to fight with anyone just for the sake of it. We share a common hobby, and I'm not trying to be some sort of fucking messiah here but I'd like to be able to argue a point that ultimately may change the perceptions of someone who currently disagrees. That probably won't happen, but at least don't shit on the fun I'm having.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

Top 3 tools of destruction

AR
Melee
Hammer

Arena. I need it to be more vanilla for Fall. Pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaseeeeeee

I kill with what they give me . My standard top is a dmr at least.

Spoiler

I agree with you haha (

 

[AwesomeSyrup]

Well the headshot hit box is being altered so I'm no worried. My problem with the bloom and aiming was that it looked like I was getting headshots but somehow I wasn't.

Wait, was this in the last BWU? I haven't read that one yet or heard about this change.

 

[Tashi]

I kill with what they give me . My standard top is a dmr at least.

Spoiler

I agree with you haha (

Haha that wasn't a knock on you. Sorry if it came out that way.

 

[Tashi]

Wait, was this in the last BWU? I haven't read that one yet or heard about this change.

Yes

In a recent playtest, we picked up on a problem in the way our collision model was calculating headshots. Coupled with rumblings from the community regarding some inconsistencies in the Beta’s headshot capable weapons, we were able to identify an issue that you may have already experienced.

In certain circumstances, explicitly those where you would typically score a headshot in the lower range of the target zone (for the layman, that’d be the face and head region), we’ve discovered that bullets are impacting a few pixels lower than they should, plunging into the chest volume instead of the head. This often allows an unshielded opponent to remain upright after your crack shot should have taken the legs out from under ‘em.

Once again we’re reminded how potent a tool a Beta test can be. Having a teeming horde of ravenous players chew through our game makes identifying these nuanced issues possible. And while you may be gnashing your teeth while reading this paragraph, the good news is that this will definitely be resolved for the retail release in the fall. In fact, it’s already been fixed.

 

[AwesomeSyrup]

Yes

Oh, nice. I hope it helps my problems with bloom.

 

[Nutter]

Can we stop the litmus test for determining when someone's opinion is valid or not?

No worries, you weren't rude at all.

He is the one that used the poured hundreds of hours argument. But I am done, no need to explain why I hate the bloom to people new to Halo.

 

[Grimm Fandango]

So is the bloom argument the new BRvAR?

 

[Tashi]

So is the bloom argument the new BRvAR?

It's worse and actually more important.

Spoiler

BR

 

[AwesomeSyrup]

Yeah, I really hope Bungie is listening about the bloom. It REALLY needs to go.

 

[Red]

He is the one that used the poured hundreds of hours argument. But I am done, no need to explain why I hate the bloom to people new to Halo.

Does saying this make you feel better or something :lol

 

[Mush]

Anyone wanna help me render some films? They're probably not montage worthy but if anyone thinks otherwise, please let me know! :lol

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=1106796
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=125539

Thanks in advance!

Would really appreciate this one guys!

 

[Nutter]

Does saying this make you feel better or something :lol

Yup sure does. I sleep easy at night saying it too. :lol

 

[_Bro]

You guys and your gameplay mechanics discussion. Oh man, I've been spoiled by thought on the outer reaches of the web compared to this "stuff."

The way I see it, any person who has bitched but then said they're going to still buy it for the campaign is dumb. THIS GAME HAS REALLY BAD DESIGN BUT GOD DAMN, VIDEOGAME PLOTS ARE JUST SO ENTHRALLING.

 

[Merguson]

Bloom vs. Static?

 

[Spasm]

Bloom vs. Static?

Or maybe Stop and Pop vs. Run and Gun.

While fire-rate reticule bloom doesn't quite make Reach Stop and Pop, it's coming uncomfortably close. Slow down and take your shot carefully? That's never been Halo. Ever. There's plenty o' Stop and Pop shooters on the market. Get that shit out of my Haloz.

The day they go all the way Stop and Pop, adding movement-rate reticule bloom to Halo, is the day I give it up forever.

 

[Sai-kun]

Coming from a guy who has played less then 100 games so far and he apparently likes the game. :lol

Is 331 games enough to say that I like it? It should be right?

Spoiler

i love reach!

 

[Voltron64]

Or maybe Stop and Pop vs. Run and Gun.

While fire-rate reticule bloom doesn't quite make Reach Stop and Pop, it's coming uncomfortably close. Slow down and take your shot carefully? That's never been Halo. Ever. There's plenty o' Stop and Pop shooters on the market. Get that shit out of my Haloz.

The day they go all the way Stop and Pop, adding movement-rate reticule bloom to Halo, is the day I give it up forever.

Don't forget to crouch!

 

[EazyB]

You guys and your gameplay mechanics discussion. Oh man, I've been spoiled by thought on the outer reaches of the web compared to this "stuff."

The way I see it, any person who has bitched but then said they're going to still buy it for the campaign is dumb. THIS GAME HAS REALLY BAD DESIGN BUT GOD DAMN, VIDEOGAME PLOTS ARE JUST SO ENTHRALLING.

The bloom, movement, and jumping really detract from the experience for me, but even then it's good enough to buy. It just doesn't look to deliver as compelling an experience as their previous games at this point.

The plot will probably be miserable like all other Halo games but fighting the AI (elites) with consistently well designed encounters will make for good times. Hell, they may even make Firefight enjoyable this go around.

 

[Spasm]

Don't forget to crouch!

:lol

I'm still not sure if I believe Urk on that one. At least, you can't see it in the reticule.

 

[_Bro]

The plot will probably be miserable like all other Halo games but fighting the AI (elites) with consistently well designed encounters will make for good times. Hell, they may even make Firefight enjoyable this go around.

Guy, I like you.

 

[Lazslo]

Would really appreciate this one guys!

Well I rendered the first one before I noticed it was a full game, cost 10 render points opps. Can't do the second one, gotta save some points for myself- Enjoy!

Also, ToyMachine- I rendered these clips for you and sent them to Chap. Nice kills mang.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=1336185
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=1325016
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=1040618
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=1332347