Steelyuhas
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Tunavi said:
Do like except for a falcon on a 4v4 map. WTH?
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Do like except for a falcon on a 4v4 map. WTH?
Every time they've tried to do that so far it's been a total nightmare. If they're going to make maps, they should tailor them to their specific playlists and stop this 'one-size-fits-all-playlists' bullshit that's led to the worst BTB map variants the series has ever seen, ever. Even Breakpoint, while the least of the three evils, doesn't work particularly well in straight-up BTB.Tunavi said:
The Librarian
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You try to do both you'll end up doing neither very well. Same holds true for just about the Reach multiplayer maps/campaign spaces.Havok said:
Yeah, you're right and Spire is absolutely horrible for BTB but its great for Invasion. I wanted to give the most playlists as much attention with 5 maps, but I guess one would be strictly Invasion, one strictly BTB. Its not like DLC shows up anyway lolHavok said:
There could be two variants of the map, one with the Falcon/Rockets and one without.Steelyuhas said:
It would probably spawn halfway through the match, like the sword on Zealot. I thought it would be fun to have a falcon up in the sky shooting down towards a skyscraper rooftop. 1 team with 2 in the falcon for arial support, 2 on the ground. You could even take it out with a well placed plasma pistol charge and it would fall out of the sky for the double/triple kill. There's nothing wrong about a warthog on a 4v4 map, I don't see this any differently (different gameplay, yes)
and this is just my imagination running wild, remember?
Not all the maps were bad. Zealot, Countdown, and Powerhouse are solid maps, even if evaded by Bungie's love for CBQ weapons (and oddly placed CTF spots). You have your half share of good ones, and bad ones - reminiscent to Halo 3. The issue people have had with the maps is the count, notably for the ones with real artwork and geometry, instead they chose the Forge World route in inducting maps as official ones.Dax01 said:
Man-cannon that shoots players into the center of the map. It doesn't injure them. What's your problem with it? Because they aren't pushed up? Really?GhaleonEB said:
I am well aware of the discussion. I've been on both ends of each side. Teleporters with folks camping behind them or waiting on the side. I've also been on the other end of guys awaiting for you to jump off Valhalla's mancannon. It didn't remedy any situational ploy that teleporters could not attempt. It's basic idea is to hasten map movement. It does, in a way, but in no different form is it from teleporters. You're more prone to getting killed in air, if you aren't going to die by the time you take a couple steps on ground.
Point is you have your positives and negatives in each.
ncsuDuncan
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For what it's worth, I think Spire is a pretty poor example of a map with "verticality". Especially in Invasion.
The third phase is always the exact same thing.
Grab the core, jump out the window. Jump off the Spire and walk straight to the Pelican. It has the exact same problem Boneyard has. There is only one viable route, and that is the straight line from the core/flag to the capture point. It just turns into a match where the attackers spawn, carry the objective 2 feet, and die. The only strategy is to hope you can spawn fast enough to keep the core from resetting.
But I have other problems with Spire as well. Invasion disappoints me. I wish the game would treat each phase as a new round and force everyone to respawn. It baffles me that the Elites still alive and defending their territory when phase one ends are at a disadvantage when Spartans spawn between them and the phase two territories.
The third phase is always the exact same thing.
Grab the core, jump out the window. Jump off the Spire and walk straight to the Pelican. It has the exact same problem Boneyard has. There is only one viable route, and that is the straight line from the core/flag to the capture point. It just turns into a match where the attackers spawn, carry the objective 2 feet, and die. The only strategy is to hope you can spawn fast enough to keep the core from resetting.
But I have other problems with Spire as well. Invasion disappoints me. I wish the game would treat each phase as a new round and force everyone to respawn. It baffles me that the Elites still alive and defending their territory when phase one ends are at a disadvantage when Spartans spawn between them and the phase two territories.
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sent even though you pretty much already know my skill levelTashi0106 said:OK, all members of HaloGAF looking to try out for this tournament add:
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edit: Kyle, we need 2 teams of 6. A lot of people want to play so I'm gonna make it fair. Also you haven't been playing Halo in a while apparently so maybe you won't make it
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Edit: nevermind. Not worth it.
Sucks IRL as well.Ramirez said:
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Steelyuhas
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Tunavi said:There could be two variants of the map, one with the Falcon/Rockets and one without.
It would probably spawn halfway through the match, like the sword on Zealot. I thought it would be fun to have a falcon up in the sky shooting down towards a skyscraper rooftop. 1 team with 2 in the falcon for arial support, 2 on the ground. You could even take it out with a well placed plasma pistol charge and it would fall out of the sky for the double/triple kill. There's nothing wrong about a warthog on a 4v4 map, I don't see this any differently (different gameplay, yes)
and this is just my imagination running wild, remember?
Haha yes of course. A Falcon typically has three people in it. That leaves only one teammate on the ground. I don't think there should be any 4v4 maps with Falcons personally, it would be out of place, and wouldn't be that fun. (I do like the Falcon)
ncsuDuncan said:
I like Invasion quite a bit, but Spire sucks.
Thanks Tashi, but no thanks! Imma spare you the awkwardness of having to be polite to me after the spectacular display of bkness.
List seems pretty spot on from what I know on my many years of reading halogaf, but let tashi have his fun, maybe some there's some hidden new talent around these parts.kylej said:
A27_StarWolf
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Tashi0106 said:
I'll add that tag, be prepared 0.0
Hitmonchan107
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Tashi0106 said:
Rosters are due by next Wednesday.
Bsangel is asking for Halo Fest feedback over on Halo Waypoint.
ncsuDuncan
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Is anyone overburdened with render minutes?
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=17794472
It's a 3:06 clip showing my first pass at fixing the verticality of Boneyard. I'd like to render it just to see what people think of the new geometry/gadgets I've added.
I call it Bone Patch. Haven't touched weapon placement or spawns yet. Also ignore the random Mongoose, I was using a DMR gametype that wasn't from BTB. This version of Bone Patch is intended for Slayer gametypes, I have another version I'm working on for CTF with different grav lift placements.
If no one has extra minutes that's fine. I've been meaning to upgrade to Bungie Pro eventually anyways.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=17794472
It's a 3:06 clip showing my first pass at fixing the verticality of Boneyard. I'd like to render it just to see what people think of the new geometry/gadgets I've added.
I call it Bone Patch. Haven't touched weapon placement or spawns yet. Also ignore the random Mongoose, I was using a DMR gametype that wasn't from BTB. This version of Bone Patch is intended for Slayer gametypes, I have another version I'm working on for CTF with different grav lift placements.
If no one has extra minutes that's fine. I've been meaning to upgrade to Bungie Pro eventually anyways.
Today I was on probation (because I didn't want to play Dino blasters or To the Death 3 times in a row)
So I just played a game of Invasion on Spire against a team of professional spawn killers.
They were on offense first and they were flawless. They controlled every area of the map, every weapon, vehicle. I saw one guy hide next to the banshee and actually wait for my teammate to hop in so he could immediately skyjack him.
This team had a falcon and banshee above our spawns, a sniper porched up at the end of the map, and rockets/Fuel rod gun. They waited until every objective timer was almost done before they seamlessly activated the next phase.
I worked my ass off for a few great kills with the Plasma Launcher during the second phase. I took out their falcon in mid-air after being forced to jump off the edge of the Spire by two other enemies following me. I grabbed the Plasma launcher again and took out the banshee twice. All three times I got killjoys.
It got to sudden death and this team waited with the Core right outside of the capture point until the time was down to 1 second, where he walked it right in.
Then I was just one of three left when it was our turn to be on on offense. Without a spawn bro to help me, four of them literally sat at my spawn point killing me over and over until I finally decided to quit.
"You have been temporarily banned from matchmaking for quitting too many games."
jk
So I just played a game of Invasion on Spire against a team of professional spawn killers.
They were on offense first and they were flawless. They controlled every area of the map, every weapon, vehicle. I saw one guy hide next to the banshee and actually wait for my teammate to hop in so he could immediately skyjack him.
This team had a falcon and banshee above our spawns, a sniper porched up at the end of the map, and rockets/Fuel rod gun. They waited until every objective timer was almost done before they seamlessly activated the next phase.
I worked my ass off for a few great kills with the Plasma Launcher during the second phase. I took out their falcon in mid-air after being forced to jump off the edge of the Spire by two other enemies following me. I grabbed the Plasma launcher again and took out the banshee twice. All three times I got killjoys.
It got to sudden death and this team waited with the Core right outside of the capture point until the time was down to 1 second, where he walked it right in.
Then I was just one of three left when it was our turn to be on on offense. Without a spawn bro to help me, four of them literally sat at my spawn point killing me over and over until I finally decided to quit.
"You have been temporarily banned from matchmaking for quitting too many games."
Plywood said:
jkDefinitely. It causes such a ridiculous disadvantage to spawn at one side (read: at the cliff's edge on both Boneyard and Spire) on offense, not to mention the five to ten second delay between the counter reaching zero and the actual respawn. So annoying.Striker said:
(also I promise that I will someday actually play Halo again, but not until this week is over. School.)
I think it's a fair critique of Reach that the Commendation system in multiplayer encourages much of the wrong behavior, while there are not the correct systems in place to encourage the right behavior (or punish, or thwart the wrong).Plywood said:
Before Reach shipped someone from Bungie mentioned in an interview - around the time the Beta was nearing - that Bungie was considering adding a way to tap out of those kinds of games, where people are quitting and one side is getting camped. Players on the team getting destroyed like that could vote to concede and end the game. Given the way Commendations encourage farming kills like you experienced, it's disappointing that no such tap out system was implemented.
Captain Blood
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A creditless playlist would be a wastelandRamirez said:
even more than normal
Captain Blood
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Ramirez said:
This is only very tangentially related to your post, but it's something I've been meaning to complain about for a while, and here's an opportunity. Commendations as a whole are supremely flawed, from the tiered system to the laughable payout for most of the time invested (ex: 270 Campaign missions completed nets you a total of 400 credits per grade, for a final sum of 2000 credits in total, with negligible commendation score added per game). Neat idea, terrible execution. Further gradation would help; as it is, I think a lot of people forget about the system entirely because the ranks are spread so far apart. It's something that was obviously implemented as a response to Call of Duty style progression rewards, but the difference is that those don't require 5-8 thousand actions to remind you of your progress.GhaleonEB said:
Havok said:
One problem I have noticed is that the commendations fail to advance at the same rate. I think they were originally conceived of as a way to gauge what kind of player someone is at a glance. That is to say a totally average player should advance all the commendations at the exact same rate. This is just not feasible in some cases.
I don't care how often you play Limited and try to take out the vehicles there is no way you will hit Gold in Grounded before type enemy kill commendations or weapon type commendations.
I still think it is a good system to see milestones progress as you play however.
Trasher said:
In an ideal world the H3 system worked extremely well. The problem was that people cared so much about rank it brought out some pretty lame actions within the community. For that reason I am glad it's gone.