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Halo: Reach |OT4| This Thread is Not Your Grave, But You Are Welcome In It
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Blue Ninja
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Michael motherfucking Wincott became Truth for me. Terrence Stamp is cool and all, but his Truth was another character entirely. This was not solely due to his performance, mind you, but the way his character was written was dissapointing, too.Havok said:
I really hope Bungie decides to release the unfinished Halo 2 script for Bungie Day. I want to see Miranda strapping a bomb to the Chief and shoving him down an airlock. :lolSteelyuhas said:
xxjuicesxx
Member
Can the next Halo be 60fps?
That'd be niiiice.
That'd be niiiice.
Dani said:
Tempest does it too on the default layout.
It seems in single screen that zooming in with your binocs or any scoped weapon forces every visible object into their highest LOD. I remember that I was working the ONI Sword Base level. I come around to the AA gun switch side, and there's two grunts sitting on a hill in ghosts with covies behind them.
Unzoomed everything was the usual stable framerate.
I zoom in with my binocs at the grunts in the ghosts and the framerate dies.
ElRenoRaven
Member
A27 Tawpgun said:
If Halo 4 had you switching between Chief and a forerunner I would not buy it. That simple.
The Librarian
Banned
I know you're being sarcastic, but this is the approach they should take. Rock solid 30 FPS with amazing skyboxes is better than 60 FPS with not-as-awesome skyboxes.Kuroyume said:
Funny enough, the giant (and amazingly awesome) skyboxes aren't really all that heavy. I've not checked out how they're doing them, but if everything else is an indication, they probably got an "average" size skybox with a few extra layers of tiling textures to add extra detail and a couple materials using panner to... pan around. The mesh itself has probably less polygons than a grenade, alsoKuroyume said:
xxjuicesxx
Member
I guess you're right most of the time when I'm DMR'ing right in the middle I just stop and look up at the skyboxes. Its basically the only way I actually get out DMR'd.
Yup. Fuck they look so good.
Yup. Fuck they look so good.
Thanks for rendering that TH.
Halo 4 needs a locked framerate, be it 30 or 60, the only time I have a problem with framerates is when it fluctuates, and Reach does it way too often.
I made a 30% jump in Arena yesterday, cool bro. I really wish Arena would remove Jetpacks and actually tweak the weapon sets on most of the maps for "competitive" play. Countdown does not need a sword, shotgun, and conc rifle with radar enabled, pure trash. Add rockets down at the garage to encourage people to move around the map some, and also give the players a tool to weed out campers up top.
Halo 4 needs a locked framerate, be it 30 or 60, the only time I have a problem with framerates is when it fluctuates, and Reach does it way too often.
I made a 30% jump in Arena yesterday, cool bro. I really wish Arena would remove Jetpacks and actually tweak the weapon sets on most of the maps for "competitive" play. Countdown does not need a sword, shotgun, and conc rifle with radar enabled, pure trash. Add rockets down at the garage to encourage people to move around the map some, and also give the players a tool to weed out campers up top.
Shake Appeal
Member
This really, really isn't true.Dax01 said:
Especially when you consider the difference 30/60 makes for input latency.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Halo doesn't really need 60FPS (although I'd prefer to have it if given the option over 30FPS anytime) but it certainly needs solid framerates. Reach has been disappointing in this regard, both in the single and multiplayer sides. A real let down considering the high bar of the series.
Yup. It's not high FPS that creates a smooth experience. It's consistent, locked FPS. A 30 FPS game, when you're playing it, plays just as smooth as a 60 FPS game. It's only when you go from CoD to Halo and vice versa where the effect is really jarring.Dani said:
While bigger FPS is never a bad thing, the most important thing to do is to lock it. I'd rather have locked 30 FPS than 60 FPS that drops to 50 when shit goes down.
But if you REALLY want to dream right now... imagine what the Nextbox Halo 5 will be like. All dat new tech.
The Librarian
Banned
As long as it doesn't affect my skyboxes, I'm cool. Or the overall quality of the graphics. If they have to sacrifice textures, lighting, etc, to get 60 FPS, I'd rather not have it.Shake Appeal said:
KidA Seven
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Kuroyume said:
:lol
kylej said:
The levels of BK in Doubles is astounding from my experience.
I really don't understand this comment. You can only play what the game matches you up against, and if you're not playing MLG, you have like a 95% chance of being matched up against scrubs. I lost like over 3K games of Halo 3, but I don't think I'll lose half of that in Reach at the rate I'm going, the level of play has really dropped off in the general playlists, whether that be because the game is harder to play than 3 or because most of the good people quit playing Reach, I don't know.
Even the top players in Arena are mostly subpar players who abuse jetpacks...
I'm not one to shy away from getting donged on either, after the new XP stuff was ushered into 3, I played MLG pretty much exclusively, and lost A LOT. I was having fun though, I don't have fun with MLG in Reach, I don't like competitive Reach much at all in any playlist really. It always turns out to be a pretty frustrating experience due to bloom, etc.
Steelyuhas
Member
Tashi0106 said:
Which one did you get?
Lyphen said:
Also, the textures in Black Ops look like there from the PS2. That helps a lot.
Dani said:
It's not really that much of a mystery. Asylum is an example of horrifically bad forging.
Also, I just watched 'A Whisper in the Storm'. Amazing stuff, what happened with Halo 3?
xxjuicesxx
Member
Of course it doesn't need to be...
It would be very nice.
(60FPS)
It would be very nice.
(60FPS)
Shake Appeal
Member
Well, you shouldn't. For one thing, most people honestly can't tell when 60 drops to 50. More importantly, higher FPS is always better.A27 Tawpgun said:
60 FPS can you give input latency as low as ~67ms. 30 FPS, meanwhile, gives you a minimum of 100ms. For twitchy experiences where the tiniest differences in motion and aiming are significant, this matters.
See the chart halfway down this page:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-lag-factor-article?page=3
See CoD4? Now look at Halo 3. It takes twice as long on average for every single action you take to register in the latter game.
Edit: Also, framerate nosedives aren't exclusive to Forge World maps. Scoping in the wrong place on any number of maps causes me massive problems. Tempest and Condemned are particularly bad.
Steelyuhas
Member
Tashi0106 said:
Nice.
I thought this one looked cool:
Hmmm, I can order from amazon aka two-day free shipping. Enticing...
Yea, zooming in on Condemned in the middle is absolutely game breaking. I really don't want 343 to sacrifice the framerate to make the game look better. I'm not looking at the skybox when I'm in an good DMR duel and the framerate randomly nose dives.
That seven shirt looks extremely cheap and plain to me, btw.
That seven shirt looks extremely cheap and plain to me, btw.
xxjuicesxx
Member
67ms latency is inherent to the 360 controllers and not the game. It could be lower even at 30 FPS.
Latency is hard to judge in games that have multipurpose buttons like Halo. The game is going to have to wait a few frames to make sure that you actually want to reload and not pick the weapon up that you're standing over.
Latency is hard to judge in games that have multipurpose buttons like Halo. The game is going to have to wait a few frames to make sure that you actually want to reload and not pick the weapon up that you're standing over.
Steelyuhas
Member
Ramirez said:
Yeah that used to happen with me for COD and Halo 3, although going back to Reach after COD is not nearly as bad.
Shake Appeal
Member
Neither of these things is true.FyreWulff said:
Read this article: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1942/programming_responsiveness.php
And then these two:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-lag-factor-article
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-console-lag-round-two-article
Shake Appeal said:
As someone who has made a 360 game and talked with the man behind OnLive, it's the 360 controller protocol. They actually wanted to use 360 PC controllers with the OnLive console, but the 360 controller has too much latency, hence why they released their own with it.
It makes sense - if you want wireless controllers as a mainstream part of your console, you elevate everything to the wireless controller's minimum response time to give them a level playing field so you don't have the issue some GameCube games had when playing with a Wavebird.
Digital Foundry does good work sometimes, but the other half of the time they're making shit up. And now they're starting to inject subjective opinions into objective technical breakdowns, so I'd rather not give them any more hits.
We had host in 5 or 6 games last night and still managed to win 41 of 45 games. It is much more fun when rolling with a full team of competent players, avoiding the usual crap (griefers, betrayers, cR whores, stat padders), and playing the game more like a team sport than an individual hammerfest.Ramirez said:
One of my many positions is to identify and isolate the host, then use his killer instinct against him to keep him engaged long enough to let our runner slip by. It is so satisfying to let him finally kill me just as the bomb explodes. We call it the "here kitty, kitty..." play.
I will be rolling in the Grifball Playlist today and will hold the 4th spot open for any gaffers. msg me if interested.