Halo: Reach |OT4| This Thread is Not Your Grave, But You Are Welcome In It
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thezerofire
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I would just want one playlist that isn't ranked that has BR starts without radar
Steelyuhas
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xxjuicesxx said:
Skillzzz bro
Nah, I was suspicious when I read his first post, so I clicked on his profile and his employment and gamertag matched his.
or its EazyB trollin hard
PNut said:
I'd put Rocket Race in there too, but I'm imagining this as "one last update", so they'd probably have to set it up for the same 4 DEXPs over and over again.
Playlists becoming DEXPs will help player consolidation.
If there was say a 2 month rotation, I'd add Rocket Race, 3 Ball, convert SWAT or Snipes to a DEXP, and Grifball or MLG.
However, Rocket Race DOES exist in Multi Team already. Which is why I left it out of the other ones. Social Skirmish is essentially Throwback, hence making it a DEXP anyway.
Essentially my goal would be: eliminate redundant playlists, eliminate playlists that the creators no longer maintain or care for (MLG), emphasize unique experiences between the ones that are left and rotate the popular DEXPs and fringe playlists that already exist.
At the bare minimum, Team Mythic is redundant and Rumble Pit makes 7 on the 7th redundant.
xxjuicesxx
Member
No I saw his profile. Just meant someone could have Eazily just wrote that in. Thought maybe he mentioned it somewhere.
You have an alt Jeremiah right? You couldn't possibly have only played 200 games of Reach.
You have an alt Jeremiah right? You couldn't possibly have only played 200 games of Reach.
bobs...onGaf
Member
FyreWulff said:
I know you know your stuff, and I agree with you in terms of what you think but there are literally tiny communities who call certain playlists there home. I agree with the vast majority of your ideas but with the team marksman idea im not so sure. You would alienate a lot of the guys who love and only play Snipes and a lot of the swat only guys by merging those 2 playlists. After all while the marksman idea is good on paper those playlists require totally different skillsets and play pretty differently.
I like the idea of the rotating dexp's and I dont know why that isnt already implimented tbh.
I think it was a mistake to ever rank SWAT, but to be honest if I could, SWAT would just outright become a Social DEXP with only Snipes remaining a normal ranked playlist because it has no objectives (and therefore more potential population).
Team SWAT became a shitfest back when it became ranked in Halo 2 and ended up deleted for a while, eventually coming back (properly) unranked. I still don't understand why they ranked SWAT in Halo 3, honestly. It should have remained a Social DEXP.
So I guess if I'm ignoring all player data:
Ranked
Lone Wolves
Team Slayer
Team Snipers
Social
Social Slayer
Multi Team
Social Big Team
7 on the 7th
Rumble Pit on Mythic and Mythic 2 maps only + gametypes from both RP and 7on7
DEXPs
Mythic Brawl (ranked)
Social Skirmish (Team Flag + Action Sack gametypes added)
Team Doubles (ranked)
Team SWAT (ranked or unranked)
Rocket Race
Social Living Dead
3-Ball
Grifball or MLG (I'd hold a discussion with the people in charge with both and see who would be more interested in continuing support for the H3 version of their list. )
At most, 8 playlists are up during the weekend, and only 7 during normal weekdays. Versus 14 pre-consolidation.
Team SWAT became a shitfest back when it became ranked in Halo 2 and ended up deleted for a while, eventually coming back (properly) unranked. I still don't understand why they ranked SWAT in Halo 3, honestly. It should have remained a Social DEXP.
So I guess if I'm ignoring all player data:
Ranked
Lone Wolves
Team Slayer
Team Snipers
Social
Social Slayer
Multi Team
Social Big Team
7 on the 7th
Rumble Pit on Mythic and Mythic 2 maps only + gametypes from both RP and 7on7
DEXPs
Mythic Brawl (ranked)
Social Skirmish (Team Flag + Action Sack gametypes added)
Team Doubles (ranked)
Team SWAT (ranked or unranked)
Rocket Race
Social Living Dead
3-Ball
Grifball or MLG (I'd hold a discussion with the people in charge with both and see who would be more interested in continuing support for the H3 version of their list. )
At most, 8 playlists are up during the weekend, and only 7 during normal weekdays. Versus 14 pre-consolidation.
bobs...onGaf
Member
FyreWulff said:
I know people who take Swat pretty seriously to the extent thats its literally theyre home in Halo. I dont think Swat should have ever got objective but in its core it was a good playlist choice as an alternative way to play Halo.
By the way, Team Mythic is the only way to get 4v4 BR starts, so its far from redundant. The problem with this playlist management stuff is that cutting something like that out would be denying people who only want to play social 4v4 stuff.
Letters said:
Hmm I think he has done a pretty decent job of it on the whole, I prefer the general Reach playlists to the Halo 3 playlists. Although I do have my own personal little issues with some things. I think the main problem is that for me (and I guess you), is that Reach as a game isnt as enjoyable, so all the work in the world in playlist management isnt going to get me excited about it.
I must say, I still think there are a few missed opportunities, but on the whole ive been pretty impressed with the Reach playlist management, and ive loved that they have added new gametypes to the mix post ship... for free! There are companies out there who would try and call it dlc lol.
FyreWulff said:
True, but you have like a 3% chance of getting it. Which I understand why. The majority of MT players don't want to play racing gametypes in a Slayer playlist. Something Bungie never learned.
Agreed. H3 will be around for the life of the 360 and I'd hate to see it thrown out back and forgot about completely.
Someone who was trying to impersonate him would probably uA) use Either Jeremiah (probably taken) or Ninja on Fire as their username and B) Use the avatar he uses on Bungie.net.xxjuicesxx said:
@Fyrewulf Wouldn't someone have to manually put up the double exp's each month? I couldn't see why anyone would want to do that, not to mention familiar with it.
bobs99 ... said:I know people who take Swat pretty seriously to the extent thats its literally theyre home in Halo. I dont think Swat should have ever got objective but in its core it was a good playlist choice as an alternative way to play Halo.
By the way, Team Mythic is the only way to get 4v4 BR starts, so its far from redundant. The problem with this playlist management stuff is that cutting something like that out would be denying people who only want to play social 4v4 stuff.
The addition of Team Flag and Team Control would make Social Skirmish DEXP heavily BR-start 4v4. You can already get a lot of BR starts in Social Skirmish as it is.
But in any consolidation, there's going to be blood.
Hey You said:
From what I remember, TU2 added some backend stuff where they can add DEXPs in advance to the playlist download data (all playlists in Halo 2 and 3 actually exist on your hard drive locally). They would simply add the DEXPs in the final playlist sync for the next 1-2 years, which wouldn't require someone to manually push data once a month.
I also remember that NoF and other Bungie employees have said at one point or another that Halo 2's playlist setup was a nightmare. I don't think any of them honestly miss setting that thing up for playlist updates, heh
Steelyuhas
Member
Another important thing about Team Mythic in H3 is that its also the only way to get DLC maps in 4v4.
Devolution
Member
thezerofire said:
Dat bloom, you know you love it.
xxjuicesxx said:
Wow. Jeremiah, you made some good decisions, some bad, and some that took faaaaaaaaaar too long. But it worries me if you've only played 200 games of Reach and were controlling the playlists.
However I do have one question for you, I'm not sure if you ever answered it. Why did it take so long to fix obvious things? Was it testing? Are changes really that hard to implement? I'm asking because I'm curious what the process is for all the things you guys do to Reach inside the studio.
Hitmonchan107 said:
....You know I kind of want to try that. Might be fun.
Dani said:
A bit late but I just got back.
I know BS Angel isn't playlist manager (AR starts on Highlands?
) I was saying that since she's the community person (like Urk) she should try and get a GAF account.-Joke apparently too offensive...-
lybertyboy
Thinks the Evil Empire is just misunderstood.
A27 Tawpgun said:
With posts like this why wouldn't she want to post here?
If you really want to talk with Jessica in a forum environment I know for a fact she'd love to have you on the HaloWaypoint.com forums.
I must say, one refreshing thing about Waypoint is the interaction you guys have with the community. I don't think I've had one unanswered PM. I know it's still new but I have to imagine you guys still get pounded pretty regularly.lybertyboy said:
Still <3 Angel for the defiant code in that crazy DLC code thread back in March. I never got one from the random giveaways throughout the thread (wasn't quick enough), but she eventually felt bad enough for me for starting the thread and never snagging one. Will never forget it.
lybertyboy
Thinks the Evil Empire is just misunderstood.
Homeboyd said:
We're lucky to have someone like Jessica on the team. For myself, I try and reply to every single DM I get here, on twitter or on the Waypoint forums.
Posts like this really don't help things. One of the great things about NeoGAF is the way we're connected to folks in the industry; a lot of Bungie and 343 folks post here, and even more lurk. It brings the two sides of the industry, content creators and players together and is one of the main reasons it's been why I've been on GAF for over a decade.A27 Tawpgun said:
It's also why I do a massive face-palm every time I read a post like this. The playlist manager for Bungie posts here and you ask, "why did it take so long to fix obvious things," and you invite the 343 community manager on board with, "I know BS Angel isn't playlist manager (thank god...)" and, "maybe since she's a girl, and this is a gaming forum, they'll pull some affirmative action shit". Gee, I can't imagine why she might not want to join up.
I can't speak for Jeremiah, but this is how supporting a game post launch typically works. I'll modify some of my knowledge to the Reach / 3 situation.
At the start of each release cycle, you have to determine what your priorities are. New gametype? New map? Update to existing map? Update to existing gametype? An entire playlist?
Now add in all the known exploits sitting out there that you need to fix. Boneyard exploit, broken weapon on Hemorrhage, etc.
Now, you've got to sort the priority of the updates you want, because you have to maximize your sustain dollar. You have to maximize TIME x MONEY x AMOUNT OF PLAYERS BENEFITTING or AFFECTED
So you sort all of these outstanding needs and fixes for your update priorities.
Now, let's take Sword Base as an example. If you remember, the map had a changed weapon layout and other gametype support added to it. While this update was pending to be released, pushing out an update that blocks the ledge - which mostly affects Infection and wasn't a CRITICAL bug - would have taken time away from more critical things. You have a limited amount of time to build, test, and cert the map updates.
So they obviously made the decision to include the softkilled Ledge as part of the Sword Base Update. That way the soft kill being added gets included with the testing for that variant, instead of a bunch of testing for the previous (and now defunct) Sword Base just for a kill zone.
Then you package up all the high priority updates you could get to, and push them out in the next monthly update. You save mid-month updates for actual emergency problems, since each time you update the lists, you're pushing out a new playlist data file to millions and millions of players. If you did microupdates every 2 days, your bandwidth bill gets huge.
It was honestly kind of painful to watch some people here while I was stuck in registration limbo mock Shishka for "taking a month to delete a fusion coil" from Valhalla. Besides the fact that the map had other updates made to it along the way, and that it had to wait for the next update cycle to be pushed up anyway, since it wasn't an emergency-level fix. I hope a few specific people are never allowed near a code repo nor a test department, because some people's idea of how game support actually works is a galaxy away from reality.
It's easy to say "just go delete ___ in Forge and upload it!" when you don't have to consider cert time or budget implications of that action. Especially when the way they have to rig up maps and gametypes is not the way we build maps and gametypes.
At the start of each release cycle, you have to determine what your priorities are. New gametype? New map? Update to existing map? Update to existing gametype? An entire playlist?
Now add in all the known exploits sitting out there that you need to fix. Boneyard exploit, broken weapon on Hemorrhage, etc.
Now, you've got to sort the priority of the updates you want, because you have to maximize your sustain dollar. You have to maximize TIME x MONEY x AMOUNT OF PLAYERS BENEFITTING or AFFECTED
So you sort all of these outstanding needs and fixes for your update priorities.
Now, let's take Sword Base as an example. If you remember, the map had a changed weapon layout and other gametype support added to it. While this update was pending to be released, pushing out an update that blocks the ledge - which mostly affects Infection and wasn't a CRITICAL bug - would have taken time away from more critical things. You have a limited amount of time to build, test, and cert the map updates.
So they obviously made the decision to include the softkilled Ledge as part of the Sword Base Update. That way the soft kill being added gets included with the testing for that variant, instead of a bunch of testing for the previous (and now defunct) Sword Base just for a kill zone.
Then you package up all the high priority updates you could get to, and push them out in the next monthly update. You save mid-month updates for actual emergency problems, since each time you update the lists, you're pushing out a new playlist data file to millions and millions of players. If you did microupdates every 2 days, your bandwidth bill gets huge.
It was honestly kind of painful to watch some people here while I was stuck in registration limbo mock Shishka for "taking a month to delete a fusion coil" from Valhalla. Besides the fact that the map had other updates made to it along the way, and that it had to wait for the next update cycle to be pushed up anyway, since it wasn't an emergency-level fix. I hope a few specific people are never allowed near a code repo nor a test department, because some people's idea of how game support actually works is a galaxy away from reality.
It's easy to say "just go delete ___ in Forge and upload it!" when you don't have to consider cert time or budget implications of that action. Especially when the way they have to rig up maps and gametypes is not the way we build maps and gametypes.
lybertyboy said:
GhaleonEB said:
Well,
1. I honestly want to know the reasoning behind the time span. That's all. I vaguely remember reading something that said its more than just a simple code or a button press, and that it takes time. If that's the case just say that. I don't see why that's such a bad question to ask?
2. Maybe the thank god was a LITTLE harsh? I still hardly think so. She's not playlist manager and I know that, and I was just saying that as a joke, referencing her choices like AR Starts Big Team on highlands or BTB AR starts Headhunter on Condemned. I found those gametypes to be silly but it doesn't mean I didn't have fun on those playdates.
3. See above. That one I thought for SURE would be caught as a joke... I don't see how that's offensive at ALL.
I respect everyone at 343 and Bungie. We may not agree on some decisions but it doesn't mean I hate the people there or something. They have a harder and more complicated job then most people here, waypoint, and Bungie.net give them credit for. They have huge, but most of all diverse fanbases they need to appeal to and they can't possibly appeal to all of them all the time.
I just don't like people mistaking my intentions, since I meant no negativity in my posts. I'd love for Jeremiah to keep talking with us here and it would be amazing if bs angel got an account and started interacting with us as well.
The Librarian
Banned
I like Halo.
Also, I would love to see 343 modify the playlists on Halo 3. Team Mythic needs more people. I would love to play BTB again, but it's difficult with the current population number.
Also, I would love to see 343 modify the playlists on Halo 3. Team Mythic needs more people. I would love to play BTB again, but it's difficult with the current population number.
Portal 2 is completely awesome. Played the SP four times back to back when it came out. So good.Tashi0106 said:
I imagine any Halo 3 update would have wide implications of Mythic requirements being added.
They could probably get away with doing it to every playlist but Rumble Pit (disc achieves), Team Slayer (disc achieves), and Social Slayer (the biggest list).
However, it's hard to make DLC requirement calls unless I could see the DLC userbase that exists already in each one. But I know for a fact that those 3 will never require DLC.
They could probably get away with doing it to every playlist but Rumble Pit (disc achieves), Team Slayer (disc achieves), and Social Slayer (the biggest list).
However, it's hard to make DLC requirement calls unless I could see the DLC userbase that exists already in each one. But I know for a fact that those 3 will never require DLC.
Yeah, I know technically Bungie made it impossible during Halo 3's run to get disc achievements without buying DLC and broke MS's guidelines
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
why we still got Halo 3
That ship has sailed.
Classic++ and Halo 4 kthxbai
That ship has sailed.
Classic++ and Halo 4 kthxbai
Dani said:
Can you believe that at this time next year, Reach will be entering autopilot mode as 343 gets ready to launch Halo 4 and leave Reach updates behind?
It's why I don't have much hope that we're getting any DLC between now and Anniversary, or any after Anniversary.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
FyreWulff said:
So good. =)
Can't wait. Imagine we'd be playing a Halo 4 beta this time next year too!
Dani said:
I really hope for more info on Classic ++ in the July podcast
Tell me I won't be disappointed....
Speaking of PAX, is anyone going to Halofest capable of streaming while there? Even if 343 picked this up and did a stream it would be amazing for all of us who couldn't attend.
FyreWulff said:
The only way I'd still be playing Reach for the next 3 years is if Halo 4 turns out to be the worst game evar.
But it won't. Because Frankie will save us. Right?
The Librarian
Banned
You don't plan on buying Halo 4? Are you at least giving it a fair chance?FyreWulff said:The only copy of Halo 4 I'm buying is for Willeth
J-Roderton
Member
Lazslo said:
Mine is working fine. I have the same set up as you.
Lazslo
Member
hmm I wonder wtf is wrong with it- It's gotta be an issue on my end then-It worked fine until they had the recent redesign.Jroderton said:
I tried and it just shows up the same. This is what it looks like on my screen (This is another)- I'll try and figure out a fix. Thanks for the help though guys.Havok said:
Game2Death
Banned
Anyone want to play some ODST firefight? I need 3 achievements for 200k on 3 maps. I can do it alone...but it takes forever!
Maps are Windward, Last Exit, and Security Zone.
GT: Game2Death
Maps are Windward, Last Exit, and Security Zone.
GT: Game2Death
You know you want to
The Librarian
Banned
Best Bungie Twitter exchange ever?
@bungietweets: "It's big, it's long, and it needs caressing."
@MartyTheElder: "Urk is dead to me."
lawl
@bungietweets: "It's big, it's long, and it needs caressing."
@MartyTheElder: "Urk is dead to me."
lawl
Steelyuhas
Member
Dax01 said:
HAHAHAHAHA I was just reading that.
Stripper13
Member
GAF - got my first perfection last night. Very pleased. I don't think anyone I was with/against were particularly good, though it was the same teams for a few matches and both teams won/lost and the matches were relatively close.
I think all but 2 kills were DMR, on Cliffhanger. I had no idea I hadn't died, I had plenty of close calls and figured I had died at least a few times. It wasn't until the end when the announcer said 'perfection' that I realized. A friend that was playing congratulated me and I'm sure one of the enemy team called me a fag before leaving the lobby.
I've had matches with zero deaths before but always with 10-12 kills or so, I ended up 16-0 with 4 assists in this one.
I can feel myself getting hooked on this game again.
I think all but 2 kills were DMR, on Cliffhanger. I had no idea I hadn't died, I had plenty of close calls and figured I had died at least a few times. It wasn't until the end when the announcer said 'perfection' that I realized. A friend that was playing congratulated me and I'm sure one of the enemy team called me a fag before leaving the lobby.
I've had matches with zero deaths before but always with 10-12 kills or so, I ended up 16-0 with 4 assists in this one.
I can feel myself getting hooked on this game again.
