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Halo: Reach |OT6| There Are Those Who Said This Day Would Never Come
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bobs...onGaf
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I havent had a chance to play it much but no bloom gameplay right now isnt amazing. I sort of said that unless they put a decent RoF on the gun it would be pretty bad and I stand by that. At the moment im not sure if I dig it. Extremely fast kill times are just as unhalo-ish as extremely long kill times.
Meh. Roll on Halo 4, too many variables to really balance no bloom in Reach. Ill withhold judgment until I get to play a team based game but right now whilst its miles better than defualt Reach its still a bit off.
Meh. Roll on Halo 4, too many variables to really balance no bloom in Reach. Ill withhold judgment until I get to play a team based game but right now whilst its miles better than defualt Reach its still a bit off.
Steelyuhas
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Homeboyd said:
All games on Cage confirmed.
Gabotron ES said:
No love for my Invasion: Highlands map :lol
Edit: Anyone know how you can lock certain players in the same team to certain invasion spawns, just like on regular matchmaking invasion where you are locked to one spawn instead of switching between others?
Put it on your file share.
bobs99 ... said:
What really needs to happen for Halo 4 and the utility weapon is that the MAX kill time needs to be around 1.3 seconds, but the AVERAGE kill time needs to be closer to 2.5 seconds. You do this by making it kill fast (3/4 shot) but also difficult to use (low aim assist, fast strafe). It really serves to balance everything out.
No one should be getting 4 or 5 shot kills 80% of the time, like they do now. Thats simply too easy. The best players in the world should be hitting maybe 60% of their shots on average when playing against other great players.
KidA Seven
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bobs99 ... said:
The first Halo had fast kill times. Also, people will learn not to rush non stop. Halo 3 introduced that rushing because it worked. Positioning like in Halo 2 and CE will be much more important now. Essentially, strats will adapt to the faster kill times.
Steelyuhas
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BigShow36 said:
This is so so true.
Gabotron ES
Member
Will do after fixing some spawning issues we encountered, I'll send you a message when it's done in about an hour or so... did I mentioned it haz shade turretz! TWO EXACTLY!Steelyuhas said:
thezerofire
Banned
Halo CE had really fast kill timesbobs99 ... said:
bobs...onGaf
Member
BigShow36 said:
Yeah the Reach strafe and aim assist make zero bloom dmr battles more of a who shoots first wins game rather than allowing the player to react. There were a few times where after being shot first I would try and drop down and escape but died before I could take 2 steps forward towards the ledge to escape down. Im not a fan of that. Dont get me wrong im not saying that the player should always have a way out of dieing but what I am saying is I want the killtimes to be just long enough to allow me to use the map to my advantage, not die almost instantaneously swat style.
Halo 1 had pretty damn fast kill times, but it also seemed like the movement was more fluid? Seemed like even though I would die quick I could also get around that corner quick enough to save my 1 shot ass.
thezerofire
Banned
That's true, but now it's a lot harder to do so in Reach tooBigShow36 said:
ElRenoRaven
Member
FyreWulff said:
Wow. Reach is doomed.
Nah seriously though. That sucks. Hopefully they'll be able to fix that in the next TU right Frankie and David? *wink* *wink*
ncsuDuncan
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http://youtu.be/_49iNqxOnH4PsychoRaven said:
bobs...onGaf
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PsychoRaven said:
I played a Needle Rifle custom and it was ridiculous, I know now why. To be fair its not a huge problem. Just stick to DMR's and its all good.
unrelated but damage bleed through is the best thing ever.
Devolution
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Holy crap came home to scorched earth behind my house. I'm so glad nobody's house went up in flames. We got SOOOO lucky.
Tha Robbertster
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What happened?Devolution said:
Devolution
Member
Tha Robbertster said:
No idea yet just that it started in the same place a bunch of homes got condemned because the hill is sliding over there. It wouldn't surprise me if they're related.
Also does anyone have quick links to MLG v6 maps? And did Steely ever upload his gametype?
ElRenoRaven
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Ken said:
Shhh. Nobody is supposed to know they're real damn it. Chief....err....firefighters handled the grass fire quickly and without harm.
And dear god I love it. Reading the Bnet forums now and It never fails with every change made to Halo there is that group of people going the game sucks you're ruined it now and everyone will quit playing it. It never fails. It's been going on since Halo 2.
biosnake20
Member
any bloomless customs goin on right now?
thezerofire
Banned
Yeah Needle Rifle seems a little broken, but honestly when we played the DMR and Pistol killed faster so it barely mattered. I can see it being worse at long range though.
ElRenoRaven
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thezerofire said:
Yea that seems to be what most are saying. Up close it's not so bad but at that longer range is when it really starts to be a massive problem. If they could fix that somehow then I bet it would be a lot better balanced which would allow for zero bloom to be rolled out more then it probably will be in the finalized playlists.
Account Attempt #4
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Maps and game types here...Devolution said:
K
kittens
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Gonna play some MM. Send me an invite if anyone has some customs going!
Devolution
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biosnake20 said:
What's your tag?
Im going to be jumping on in about an hour or so.. you all still planning on running some customs this evening? Who had the zero bloom with the CE settings (increased movement, gravity, etc..)?Devolution said:
GT: Homeboyd903 if you've got any room on your FL. I'm cleansing mine atm.
This zero bloom gametype is so full of fail. Magnum spam, 4 shot kills, automatic needle rifle headshots, super melees, shoot first to win. LOL Who would want to play Halo this way? You have to limit the gametype to DMRs and infinite sprint just for it to be vaguely playable. Thank Joe Budden Bungie didn't ship such a shitty game setup.
Incidentally, zero bloom will probably be limited to a stand alone game type with custom weapon starts (think, DMRs), rather than deployed onto maps with NR's and three-shot pistols on it.J10 said:
The game type is intended to show many of the new gameplay features, not how they will be deployed into matchmaking; it's like a highlights reel of changes, not a matchmaking preview. And even then, there is the Beta playlist between now and when they really show up - for all the reasons you describe.
I suspect we'll be bitching just as much as usual once the changes start to hit their respective playlists and game types. But the current custom game is not an indication of what that will look like.
BackdoorBeauty
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J10 said:
I'm pretty happy with it. I think the shield bleed through mechanic, removal of bullet randomness, and return to the Halo 3 melee system is a huge improvement.
thezerofire
Banned
lol it's 5 shot as always, no damage modifiers were made.J10 said:
obligatory LOL Who wouldn't want to play Halo this way
Try ZBS Classic.J10 said:
bobs...onGaf
Member
thezerofire said:
It seemed like it depends on the health system. If it is still low from a battle even with full shields 4 shots = a kill? If so thats slightly annoying because it puts much more emphasize on the un-fun health mechanic. Else you are a shot weaker than everyone else even with full shields. That might require some testing, but thats how it seemed.
Either way I prefer a 4 shot kill, BUT I just dont like the idea that the health system could make such a big impact in terms of putting people on an uneven playing field. Running after health packs isnt fun, and there isnt always many of them. Being a shot weaker than other people is pretty much garunteed death with the kill times with no bloom.
thezerofire
Banned
I'm not sure how it would be 4 shots with that though, because it still takes 4 shots to break the shields as for as I knowbobs99 ... said:
bobs...onGaf
Member
thezerofire said:
Even with bleed through? Tomorow ill test it out in a custom and post results. Im SURE I was getting 4 shot kills on people earlier. Thats actually something I dislike about 5 shot no bloom. Counting shots just doesnt happen, with older Halo I knew exactly how many shots I put into someone in a battle, with this though its really just me spamming shots as fast as I can lol. A few shots in and I couldnt tell you how close I am to the kill. I think if it was a 4 shot kill but took the same amount of time to get a kill I would be happier with it. Trying to get 5 shots in that quick takes away from it.
I LOVE bleed through though, that really should have been in the game from the start.
thezerofire
Banned
Isn't it only melee bleed through? Unless I missed somethingbobs99 ... said:
bobs...onGaf
Member
thezerofire said:
Nope, its like older Halo now, where you can headshot through shields. (Thank god.)
Hydranockz
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Not just melee. Melee was just the common example as you could only pop shields on the first hit.thezerofire said: