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[thezerofire]

Nope, its like older Halo now, where you can headshot through shields. (Thank god.)

which halo could you do this on before? This is all news to me

 

[Devin Olsen]

Devin you get your stream sorted out? I'm available if you have any questions

I didn't.. Juices helped me out a bit but I still have some questions.

Mind hopping onto my twitch.tv so we can talk there?

http://www.twitch.tv/devinolsen

 

[feel]

Even with bleed through? Tomorow ill test it out in a custom and post results. Im SURE I was getting 4 shot kills on people earlier. Thats actually something I dislike about 5 shot no bloom. Counting shots just doesnt happen, with older Halo I knew exactly how many shots I put into someone in a battle, with this though its really just me spamming shots as fast as I can lol. A few shots in and I couldnt tell you how close I am to the kill. I think if it was a 4 shot kill but took the same amount of time to get a kill I would be happier with it. Trying to get 5 shots in that quick takes away from it.

I LOVE bleed through though, that really should have been in the game from the start.

It's 5 shots to remove shields, and it's also five shots to kill if the fifth bullet crossed the shield and goes for the head. Eventually you get used to the shield brightness cues and fast kills. Not that I would be against a slight ROF cap. If TU2 could focus on Inertia and ROF tweaks, that could be really lovely.

I have to say I really didn't miss sprint with no bloom but I still think it should be 130 for something... it isn't fast enough... sprint>>>no sprint

I think it's a fair tradeoff for always having your ability to shoot and moving sideways/backwards fast. I really wish more people would realize how much Sprint limits their movement and actions.

And actually, I've heard some people saying 120% is too fast so it depends on what you're used to.


I was having my ass kicked earlier by gaffers on ZBS Classic and I didn't hate a single second of it. People were dodging my bullets, people were walking away scratch-free easily from my badly thrown grenades, and people were killing me because they were outmaneuvering me and precisely keeping me in their crosshairs while I failed to do the same, over and over. <3

 

[Summary Man]

which halo could you do this on before? This is all news to me

Wasn't this possible in Halo 1 and 2? It's been years since I've played either game, so I may be misremembering.

 

[Homeboyd]

Need a new inv to customs (Gabo, Dani, co.)... having NAT issues.

 

[BigShow36]

Wasn't this possible in Halo 1 and 2? It's been years since I've played either game, so I may be misremembering.

Yes. Shield bleed-through has been in every Halo except Reach (until now, thank God).

 

[cory021]

I just got home and my brother is telling me our preview Reach disc isn't working. I'm assuming this is what you guys were talking about a few pages earlier? I'm guessing my brother downloaded the TU, so would deleting it alleviate any problems?

 

[Oozer3993]

I did a quick and dirty little experiment to determine the time-to-kill in different Halo games with the community's preferred weapon. My hypothesis was that time-to-kill would be lower for the zero bloom DMR than for the BR in either Halo 2 or 3.

Halo: Combat Evolved

0.8 seconds for a three shot pistol kill.

Halo 2

1.65 seconds for a four shot battle rifle kill.

Halo 3

1.7 seconds for a four shot battle rifle kill.

Halo: Reach (Zero Bloom gametype)

1.5 seconds for a five shot designated marksmen rifle kill.

As I suspected, the zero bloom DMR is quicker to kill than either variation of the BR. Personally, I don't like that. I prefer longer kill times. It's just the style of game I like more.

 

[J10]

Wow, dude, I was thinking almost the same thing :lol He just hates everything. He's like a mini-Kuroyome.

You haven't been paying attention. I'm like one of three people here who likes the game exactly the way it shipped. I think you all want it to change for the worse.

 

[Steelyuhas]

You haven't been paying attention. I'm like one of three people here who likes the game exactly the way it shipped. I think you all want it to change for the worse.

No, we want the game to change for what we believe to be better.

Default Reach will still be there for people such as yourself that prefer the game that way.

 

[BigShow36]

You haven't been paying attention. I'm like one of three people here who likes the game exactly the way it shipped. I think you all want it to change for the worse.

Go play Vanilla Reach and let the rest of us play Halo then.

 

[Domino Theory]

Holy shit, really!? If true, then woooooow. Really glad I didn't boot up Reach yesterday..

Not being able to get access to the TU is one thing, but for it to completely break the game is just fucking ridiculous.

I knew that going to Halo Fest would produce some memorable moments that will stick with me forever. Not once did I think one of those moments would be this is the first and last time I get to play the TU, or Reach altogether for that matter, haha.

I'm not too upset because we have Gears 3, but if October 4th rolls around and I still can't access the game at all when the beta hopper goes up, then shit's going down.

 

[Louis Wu]

No, we want the game to change for what we believe to be better.

Default Reach will still be there for people such as yourself that prefer the game that way.

Go play Vanilla Reach and let the rest of us play Halo then.

Polite vs douchebag answers - same answer, same question. It's all about the words you use!

 

[J10]

Go play Vanilla Reach and let the rest of us play Halo then.

I do and will. I will also continue to comment on the game settings you want to champion as superior as I see fit. Mmkay?

 

[Havok]

You haven't been paying attention. I'm like one of three people here who likes the game exactly the way it shipped. I think you all want it to change for the worse.

It's a good thing you'll be able to play it that way, then, while others get to play it their way. Minus the Armor Lock change. That's good for everyone.

edit: should have refreshed before posting.

 

[BigShow36]

Polite vs douchebag answers - same answer, same question. It's all about the words you use!

After 8 years of shitty Halo games due to idiocy, I think a little spitfire in my replies is warranted. Adapt.


Also, if that was what you consider a "douchebag" answer, I don't think you'd be able to last on the internet as long as you have. Methinks ulterior motives are at play here.

 

[J10]

After 8 years of shitty Halo games due to idiocy, I think a little spitfire in my replies is warranted. Adapt.


Also, if that was what you consider a "douchebag" answer, I don't think you'd be able to last on the internet as long as you have. Methinks ulterior motives are at play here.

Why direct the douchebag answer towards me? I didn't design the game. Also, why play a shitty game for eight years straight? Are you insane?

 

[Tashi]

After 8 years of shitty Halo games due to idiocy, I think a little spitfire in my replies is warranted. Adapt.


Also, if that was what you consider a "douchebag" answer, I don't think you'd be able to last on the internet as long as you have. Methinks ulterior motives are at play here.

lol Adapt? You can choose to ignore here.

 

[kylej]

I knew that going to Halo Fest would produce some memorable moments that will stick with me forever. Not once did I think one of those moments would be this is the first and last time I get to play the TU, or Reach altogether for that matter, haha.

I'm not too upset because we have Gears 3, but if October 4th rolls around and I still can't access the game at all when the beta hopper goes up, then shit's going down.

Your fault for being in a grey area, bro. And no, I don't mean Forge World.

 

[Tunavi]

For Zero Bloom, the Pistol and DMR should have their own separate gametypes. They do not work well together because the pistol's firing rate is so dominant, but in their own separate game types, they work beautifully. Loving zero bloom so far.

 

[BigShow36]

Why direct the douchebag answer towards me? I didn't design the game. Also, why play a shitty game for eight years straight? Are you insane?

Because the people who think like you do are what ruined the Halo game I love. It wasn't that harsh of a reply anyway. Also, I stopped playing H2/3/Reach well before their "lifespan" had run its course because I couldn't stand them.

lol Adapt? You can choose to ignore here.

It's much more fun to converse with other people. If I ignored everyone who's opinion I disagreed with I would probably have 2 people to talk to.

Plus, adapt is my favorite reply in these situations because thats what I was told for 3 Halo games.

 

[feel]

You haven't been paying attention. I'm like one of three people here who likes the game exactly the way it shipped. I think you all want it to change for the worse.

The early gametype provided by 343i was just to give us access to nobloom slayer with bleedthrough, they didn't balance it, they left that to us, while they just sit back and observe. The community in somewhat of a cooperative effort has created the actual gametypes where for example you move/strafe faster, receive less damage from grenades or have the pistol and needle rifle as pick up (power) weapons.


this is the balanced Classic gametype created with the general feedback of halogaffers
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=23754837

there are similar ones for mlg and vanilla

Try them before you dismiss these (optional) changes.


edit-
these are the mlg flavored ones:

DMR + Sprint Starts Gametype Download

DMR + 120% Movement Speed (No Sprint) Gametype Downloadhttp://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=23749531&player=eeblogue

 

[J10]

Because the people who think like you do are what ruined the Halo game I love. Also, I stopped playing H2/3/Reach well before their "lifespan" had run its course because I couldn't stand them.



It's much more fun to converse with other people. If I ignored everyone who's opinion I disagreed with I would probably have 2 people to talk to.

It is fun to converse with people, but it stops being fun when somebody starts being disrespectful. But this is the internet, so I know social norms don't apply. No harm done.

 

[Louis Wu]

After 8 years of shitty Halo games due to idiocy, I think a little spitfire in my replies is warranted. Adapt.

'spitfire'? Yeah... no. (And J10's right - what did he ever do to deserve your obnoxiousness?)

Also, if that was what you consider a "douchebag" answer, I don't think you'd be able to last on the internet as long as you have. Methinks ulterior motives are at play here.

:lol

 

[BigShow36]

It is fun to converse with people, but it stops being fun when somebody starts being disrespectful. But this is the internet, so I know social norms don't apply. No harm done.

My apologies; what I meant was that you're free to play Halo Reach as you love it, and now I can finally play something that slightly resembles why I fell in love with Halo in the first place. Any vitriol you may have felt was misdirected on my part.

'spitfire'? Yeah... no. (And J10's right - what did he ever do to deserve your obnoxiousness?)

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spitfire

 

[Devolution]

Hope those games weren't too crazy =p. Also lol at Hemoturtle. On break right now, willing to play some more tonight, not too late though got an early class.

For those wondering that gametype was just Steely's and the maps were mlg or default.

 

[kylej]

Where are my royalties

 

[Account Attempt #4]

I did a quick and dirty little experiment to determine the time-to-kill in different Halo games with the community's preferred weapon. My hypothesis was that time-to-kill would be lower for the zero bloom DMR than for the BR in either Halo 2 or 3.

Halo: Combat Evolved

0.8 seconds for a three shot pistol kill.

Halo 2

1.65 seconds for a four shot battle rifle kill.

Halo 3

1.7 seconds for a four shot battle rifle kill.

Halo: Reach (Zero Bloom gametype)

1.5 seconds for a five shot designated marksmen rifle kill.

As I suspected, the zero bloom DMR is quicker to kill than either variation of the BR. Personally, I don't like that. I prefer longer kill times. It's just the style of game I like more.

This is very interesting. Did you time the ZB Reach pistol/magnum for shits and giggles?

 

[feel]

Where are my royalties

:lol


and I just noticed there's more if you click on the arrow, they're hilarious:

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zero bloom 25
343ibasedgod 16
frankoconner_isagod 12
343goat 11
frankie saves 11
waffles 6
no bloom 5
awesome 4
horribly broken 4
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0magnum 4 noobs now 3
0worstideaever 3
343epicness 3
bungieis-blam!- 3
i love you 3
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omgz love 3
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i love 343 2
i want bloom back 2
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thank god frankie 2
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ur freaking gods 2
0 bloom 1
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v-loves343 1
w00t 1
w343loveyou 1
white pants 1
wick 1
wolfie legend 1
wollie m 1
yodulz was here 1
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zufoy 1

 

[Tashi]

Stream is up. Gonna get some MLG scrims

http://www.twitch.tv/tashiii

 

[vhfive]

Does the TU work for the Beta preview discs yet? I'm not sure where I put my OG disc (I may have given it to a friend I'm not sure).

 

[ElRenoRaven]

Does the TU work for the Beta preview discs yet? I'm not sure where I put my OG disc (I may have given it to a friend I'm not sure).

Not yet. They're still working on it.

 

[Oozer3993]

This is very interesting. Did you time the ZB pistol for shits and giggles?

Just did it now.

Halo: Reach (Zero Bloom Pistol)

0.7 seconds for a four shot pistol kill.

The zero bloom DMR now seems positively wimpy.

 

[vhfive]

Not yet. They're still working on it.

oh well
my brother just got gears so I guess I'll try that out

 

[Oozer3993]

I think the game realizes I don't like zero bloom and is rubbing it in.

Oh, so you want to try for the Overlook challenge? Good luck with that. Here's 16 options of every Firefight map OTHER than Overlook.

oh well
my brother just got gears so I guess I'll try that out

Right as I finish up reading this post, what should pop up on my Xbox?

vhfive is online

 

[Tunavi]

guys just buy reach at gamestop used and return it in 7 days

The zero bloom DMR now seems positively wimpy.

This is why there should be Zero Bloom Pistol starts and Zero Bloom DMR starts, they are both awesome separately

 

[Domino Theory]

"canadian gym" LOL

 

[Booshka]

guys just buy reach at gamestop used and return it in 7 days

But we are already in the grey zone of ethics, wouldn't want to plunge further down toward black.

Also, I saw the "Nicest gals/guys in the industry" thread on Gaming side and thought it'd be funny to post this. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31191816&postcount=259

That one is for you Jelyk

 

[kylej]

guys just buy reach at gamestop used and return it in 7 days

Noobs' alt account??!

 

[orznge]

'spitfire'? Yeah... no. (And J10's right - what did he ever do to deserve your obnoxiousness?)

Oh my god, how could he do that? How could he be so obnoxious? The feelings he's probably hurt over the years, not knowing that his nature is malicious and destructive.. unimaginable. The Master Chief would never do that, he's got honor.

 

[wwm0nkey]

guys just buy reach at gamestop used and return it in 7 days

Im just going to play Gears of War 3 until the Title Update comes out for preview owners.

 

[Tunavi]

lol when you buy a used game at Gamestop it says on the god damned receipt that you can return it in 7 days for any reason.

 

[heckfu]

lol when you buy a used game at Gamestop it says on the god damned receipt that you can return it in 7 days for any reason.

airtight.

 

[neoism]

I donated it to the children's hospital, how dare you.

An M rated game you monster.

 

[kylej]

But we are already in the grey zone of ethics, wouldn't want to plunge further down toward black.

Also, I saw the "Nicest gals/guys in the industry" thread on Gaming side and thought it'd be funny to post this. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31191816&postcount=259

That one is for you Jelyk

My main man Walsh. He just started streaming a few seconds ago.

http://www.twitch.tv/walshy

 

[neoism]

0% bloom = 100% fun
85% bloom = 15% fun

I'm just guessing here.

I'm looking forward to 85%... because BTB doesn't work with 0%

 

[Booshka]

My main man Walsh. He just started streaming a few seconds ago.

http://www.twitch.tv/walshy

Sweeeeeeeeeet

 

[neoism]

Oh dear lord WHY?

poor thing... limes are poisonous to dogs..

 

[Devolution]

Gotta eat in a bit Ken but after I do.

 

[Ken]

Anyone want to play Reach?

^ Ok