What hypocrisy, you want to pull the same shit too and tell me men get the same amount of harassment?
I'm not the one making the claim.
Perhaps you should stop being disingenuous and realize this happens to everyone.
Somebody in that thread posted fatuglyorslutty.com. Makes me sad and laugh at the same time.
I have lost count of how many games I say one thing (Like "hi!") and immediately start getting called a fag and tons of other really stupid shit.
Dude come on. Everyone gets made fun of, but nobody gets made of for sounding like a 'straight' white male.
I have lost count of how many games I say one thing (Like "hi!") and immediately start getting called a fag and tons of other really stupid shit.
Sorry if this post doesn't make sense. It's like 9 AM and I feel like total shit. Ugh.
Way to miss the point.
Proof?
And my point was that it's irrelevant.
Anything that can hurt someones feelings shouldnt be said.
I will make an appeal to authority - In my job I pay a tremendous amount of attention to the behavior of people online. Including factual, statistical and properly sampled research. More than you, I surmise. And I have done so professionally for ten years.
Secondly, to the matter of irrelevance. You make a reasonable point. In that environment, you say women should just suck it up. Of course you also infer it doesn't happen, so quite what they should suck up becomes vague. But let's say you're right: my position is that people should behave better, not that victims should roll over and stfu. My position is superior to yours ethically, morally and philosophically. Yours may win practically. But that doesn't make it a good position.
It's fucking absurd that anybody actually believes there is a real world "solution" to this sort of behavior. There's absolutely nothing anybody can do about it outside of muting the offenders. The millions and millions of people playing online are individuals, each with their own individual personalities, motivations, sets of values, behavioral quirks, cultures, and so on. Nobody controls how these individuals behave except themselves, and the truth is not everybody wants female gamers to go unharassed online. And everybody else has to deal with that, even if they don't like it.
And no, this isn't going to change, even if we open a serious dialogue about it, even if female gamers "take a stand" and "make their voices heard" or whatever emotionally satisfying and ultimately impotent phrases are used, even if paths for progress are outlined by the few people who believe in imaginary roads to some impossible utopia.
By all means, have the discussion. Come up with real world ways to deal with the situation, like ignoring the behavior or playing online games where harassment is minimal (Team Fortress 2 has tons of women playing it, and I've literally never seen a woman harassed for being female on the servers I frequent.) But please be fucking realistic about it. It's insane to me that I share the world with actual adults who are so delusional that they actually believe there is a realistic "solution" to every problem. That isn't true, and in many cases it is never going to be true no matter how high-minded we are, and that's painfully obvious to anyone who bothers to take the blinders of idealism off and observe the real world around them.
Europeans get a lot of crap too. At least I did before I just muted everyone on the opposite team.
Never complained. Complaining is not going to fix anything.
Shut your crepe-hole, French Hitler.
lol French Hitler.Shut your crepe-hole, French Hitler.
Social problems are solved by discussing them openly, creating awareness, and eventually a massive stigma. It isn't irrelevant and talking about it is exactly the right thing to do!
There's absolutely nothing anybody can do about it outside of muting the offenders.
Shut your crepe-hole, French Hitler.
I would love, LOVE to hear how your position is better "ethically, morally and philosophically".
I guess if there was some dangerously addictive neurotransmitter tied to being a jerk online, that'd be an okay comparison.That has worked well with drugs in society since forever!
WHERE IS MY INVITE BRO? I WANT SOME SALAD TOO.To break up this 'discussion', just had my pre new years dinner.
Roast potatoes, gravy, garlic mushrooms, turkey, roast chicken, spring rolls etc, hungry
WHERE IS MY INVITE BRO? I WANT SOME SALAD TOO.
Why you hate salad bro? Such injustice in my fellow Halogaffian.I would have invited you but then you said salad! Lol.
Shut your crepe-hole, French Hitler.
I'm not okay with that. I like women, both physically and mentally, and my gaming sessions woul be improved if there were more girls involved.
Just like in real life, you may want to have a romp with a girl but she happens to be a friend and you suck it up because bringing up your horniness will be awkward to her and a silent understanding is more profitable to the two of you.
Where did I say I didn't want people to behave more politely and respectfully? I would love this to happen. But guess what? You are never going to solve it, the only thing you can do is not let it get to you. If you can't handle people talking shit to you on XBL then you probably shouldn't be playing online games. It's sad that this is the case, but it's true.
Where did I say I didn't want people to behave more politely and respectfully? I would love this to happen. But guess what? You are never going to solve it, the only thing you can do is not let it get to you. If you can't handle people talking shit to you on XBL then you probably shouldn't be playing online games. It's sad that this is the case, but it's true.
Sounds like something Zayne would say.I've actually been told something like that.
"Shut your mouth and speak american, you french fag! This is AMERICA"
Where did I say I didn't want people to behave more politely and respectfully? I would love this to happen. But guess what? You are never going to solve it, the only thing you can do is not let it get to you. If you can't handle people talking shit to you on XBL then you probably shouldn't be playing online games. It's sad that this is the case, but it's true.
That's the outstanding issue, right there. The social awareness which keeps you from displaying your "horniness" is not present for those online, behind a mic and a psuedonym. Women are still widely objectified in this culture, and the roots of that fact need to be changed before any significant progress is made for the various tendrils of ignorance thereof to be dealt with.
Women are not special.
I never said it doesn't happen, I'm saying it happens to everyone. All. the. time. To what level of abuse is irrelevant. Women are not special.
I would love, LOVE to hear how your position is better "ethically, morally and philosophically".
If 15 out of 16 people Ina. Lobby mute and berate a sexist pig, it will become a less popular pastime for all but the most Ritalin-fueled shitbags.
Sure, but you've stated more than once that victims should just get used to it. If you think I am unfairly paraphrasing you, do tell. Racism in the public sphere was ameliorated and reduced through discussion, awareness and a societal push towards better norms of discourse. There is no reason to believe online conversation is beyond repair. In fact it seems to be getting better as the medium matures, with more tools and more awareness. If 15 out of 16 people Ina. Lobby mute and berate a sexist pig, it will become a less popular pastime for all but the most Ritalin-fueled shitbags.
Why you hate salad bro? Such injustice in my fellow Halogaffian.
So it's up to the community to enforce behaviour rules. I'd rather play with girls than 13yrs old wranklers. Getting those shit heads banned will help bring a better community in the end.
Berate: to criticize or speak in an angry manner to someone
So mute someone and then abuse them while others can hear and he cant attack back. Sounds like an amazing solution. Hate breeds hate.
How is that "lol"?
In the context of what Reggie is saying a gamer is a gamer. Male/Female is not important and being either sex does not make you special.
I'd rather play with reasonable people, regardless of their demographic. Your stereotyping is not a solution to the problem. Girls can be dicks, too.
Females are complaining that they are subject to more verbal and PM abuse than male counterparts. They are correct. They didn't say they were special. They said they were treated unfairly. This is true.
That's the discussion. I am white knighting them so they will think I am brave and clever.
Females are complaining that they are subject to more verbal and PM abuse than male counterparts. They are correct. They didn't say they were special. They said they were treated unfairly. This is true.
That's the discussion. I am white knighting them so they will think I am brave and clever.
Im Australian, and always get given shit by Americans (Pretty much every game I play) thinking that I am from the UK. I don't get angry and make a video of it and claim that Im being treated unfairly because Im an Aussie.
I believe that females get targeted more then men, for obvious reasons we all know. It shouldn't happen. I don't think they are being treated unfairly.
Females/Males
White/Black
Old/Young
Australian/American
WHERE DOES IT END?
Who wants to get the weekly?
No gurls pleaz
Yup.Females are complaining that they are subject to more verbal and PM abuse than male counterparts. They are correct. They didn't say they were special. They said they were treated unfairly. This is true.
That's the discussion. I am white knighting them so they will think I am brave and clever.
Who wants to get the weekly?
No gurls pleaz
Sure, but the lady gamers community is still not representative enough to come to such terms. EVERY girl I know who plays is a fuckton of awesome.
I guess Facecbook gaming ladies will bring the balance to that.
And you can hardly be anything but a wrankler at 13 just a matter of speech.
I'm all for cool guys and as was said I like when in the "waiting room" some dudes go ahead and say "Hi" or stuff, just like in a bar it sets a smoother mood.
Saying girls are to be respected and enforcing it is not white-knighting, it's just good common sense.
Online gaming is LACKING women, and pro-women solutions should be found to help alleviate the male/female number disparity.
Common sensed guys lose from letting unreasonable guys loose their shit online.
hahahahhahahWho wants to get the weekly?
No gurls pleaz