This2x4Skeleton
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No Dual Shotguns?
But how could that possibly be any fun?
But how could that possibly be any fun?
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Halo Reach Reveal Thread - Matchmaking/Multiplayer Details Revealed
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Future PhaZe
Member
EazyB said:
Uh...the AR control in Reach is probably the biggest thing that has me hyped about the game. He took out an elites shield from an acceptable mid range with short controlled bursts that were accurate and more importantly damaging. That changes multiplayer so much that it's not even funny.
The bullshit AR in Halo 3 is the worst designed gun in gaming. It's the weakest sounding gun ever, burst firing it works but it's still weak from ranges that require a burst, and overall it hurt Halo 3 multiplayer almost as badly as it's shitty maps did.
carbonbased
Member
the folks over at bungie must have a thing for left 4 dead. this talk of campaign maps working in multiplayer, scavenging the environment for supplies, and now elites and their huge hitboxes being included all screams versus mode. there are some really interesting possibilities on the covenant side of things if they do go this route. elites could respawn in waves via dropship (ala the infected) which would nullify any size or power differences that they possess. heavy vehicles and hunters are perfect boss mobs. maybe the spartan players will be limited to one life per map in a similar manner as l4d, which would greatly emphasize the frailty and humanity of these new spartans in contrast to master chief. a medic armor ability that revives the dead would fit in nicely here.
the more i think about it, the more i want dynamic campaign generation in general. the sense of discovery when finding a valuable weapon or health pack in left 4 dead 2 is unmatched, not to mention what it does for replay value. that game manages to have amazingly memorable set pieces and well-developed characters while simultaneously delivering a fresh gameplay experience each time through.
none of this would preclude them from including standard spartan v spartan deathmatch as well, mind you.
the more i think about it, the more i want dynamic campaign generation in general. the sense of discovery when finding a valuable weapon or health pack in left 4 dead 2 is unmatched, not to mention what it does for replay value. that game manages to have amazingly memorable set pieces and well-developed characters while simultaneously delivering a fresh gameplay experience each time through.
none of this would preclude them from including standard spartan v spartan deathmatch as well, mind you.
The Librarian
Banned
Yeah. Whenever I burst-fire the AR, I almost always win matches. It doesn't get the job done like it should at medium range (which Reach seems like it will fix), but it's better than holding down the trigger.GhaleonEB said:
On a semi-related note, I love what Bungie has done with the reticule for Reach.
Thats actually been one of my biggest gripes with Halo, in general. The guns all sound quite weak in general. Always have. I *really* think if they put in a more 'visceral' sound for some of these guns, the gameplay would really come alive. Loud guns = more immersive experience.Dark FaZe said:
Seems to me it sounds better in this video, but I'm gonna wait and see.
Future PhaZe
Member
The sound is better, and sparks grinding the walls for every missed shot give the gunplay a more satisfying feel I'm sure.
That viDoc was by far the best since they started doing these. One aspect of Halo that makes it stand out above others is its gunplay. There's nothing like it, every fps i pick i find that they manage to pull off good looking worlds, great physics intense situations with decent AI and tech but the guns, the way the world reacts to your assault never quite manages to capture Halo.
After watching that viDoc, Bungie have sucked me into the hype (more so than Halo3).
After watching that viDoc, Bungie have sucked me into the hype (more so than Halo3).
NullPointer
Member
These are some really great ideas. I'd also say that if there was any shooter this gen should be looked at for novel gameplay ideas to expand upon, its Left 4 Dead, for all the reasons you've just spelled out. L4Ds enemies are all one-trick ponies though - just imagine that framework applied to the Halo sandbox.warbegins said:
The Librarian
Banned
And no dual-wielding is very good news. Can't wait to see how much the Plasma Rifle benefits from this.
Zeouterlimits
Member
This is most surprising thing I heard from the 4G1U podcast, I really thought that we wouldn't have the Elite model in MP, especially now that the Spartans we're playing are probably the smaller SIIIs.Letters said:
Primethius
Banned
Letters said:Overpowered total.
Maybe they meant they will be in MP modes like firefight, or the new human vs alien mode (rumor).
The first two and the last one seem like plausible jumps but I don't see how they could add the other ones in game without it looking really weird.
Zero-gravity mission?
Primethius
Banned
Darklord said:
Right, I meant low gravity.
I feel stupid.
â Narayan
Member
No dual-wielding, you say?
Hot damn!
Hot damn!
dilatedmuscle
Member
wtf? elites in MP? they must have a seperate MP model because in the campaign they were atleast a foot taller then noble 6 while hunched over.
â Narayan
Member
I don't even see the point in having Elites in multiplayer anymore.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Dual-wielding pretty much always felt like a gimmick, IMO. Pleased it's gone.
bobs...onGaf
Member
so.....
let the DMR Vs BR arguments begin.
With the DMR, with it being a precision weapon, anything other than 4 shots to kill would suck so im guessing 3 shots to take off shields and a headshot to kill a opponent just like the BR - however it seems a bit harder than the BR to actually use, you have to time your shots with the ballooning of the accuracy reticule and you cant ever get lucky with missing but having your 'spread' hit them.
All in all I think Reach is going to be a lot harder mid range, if the sniper takes >1 second to fire and the DMR takes about 0.3 seconds to accuratly fire between shots then a enemy has LOADS of time to get away. Hopefully this doesnt translate into everyone bum rushing eachother with AR's.
P.s is it only me that cant see the Gif's, theyre really glitchy for me
let the DMR Vs BR arguments begin.
With the DMR, with it being a precision weapon, anything other than 4 shots to kill would suck so im guessing 3 shots to take off shields and a headshot to kill a opponent just like the BR - however it seems a bit harder than the BR to actually use, you have to time your shots with the ballooning of the accuracy reticule and you cant ever get lucky with missing but having your 'spread' hit them.
All in all I think Reach is going to be a lot harder mid range, if the sniper takes >1 second to fire and the DMR takes about 0.3 seconds to accuratly fire between shots then a enemy has LOADS of time to get away. Hopefully this doesnt translate into everyone bum rushing eachother with AR's.
P.s is it only me that cant see the Gif's, theyre really glitchy for me
Zeouterlimits
Member
They work fine for me, what browser are you using? Can your machine not handle all the gifs at once?bobs99 ... said:
Reach ViDoc Dos opens with Sage saying "one of the new features in Reach we're most excited about is the new Covie vs UNSC MP mode." Elites and Spartans are shown. "But as with any new feature Bungie implements, there are twists." A pink flight elite strolls into the middle of the battle. Everyone freezes. He summons a chopper.Kibbles said:
"And you thought we were gone."
Zedsdeadbaby
Banned
Yeeeeees, no dual-wielding. Halo is back with a vengeance.
Kibbles
Member
^ Yeah I love the Night Vision too. I'm glad they didn't chose to go with the VISR from ODST.
Reach will have DLC Map Packs with new non-campaign maps right? I'm really pissed we are getting campaign ports, a la Halo 3 ODST Firefight. Did they lay off all the Multiplayer Map Makers or something? =\
Also, does this mean no Sandbox-like Forge map? Unless Forge is now a Map Editor letting you create your own maps, this is a huge disappointment.
Reach will have DLC Map Packs with new non-campaign maps right? I'm really pissed we are getting campaign ports, a la Halo 3 ODST Firefight. Did they lay off all the Multiplayer Map Makers or something? =\
Also, does this mean no Sandbox-like Forge map? Unless Forge is now a Map Editor letting you create your own maps, this is a huge disappointment.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Why is everyone so happy that it's gone? Does anyone even mess with dual-wielding in Halo3? It may have been worthless, but it's kind of a non-issue since no one ever used it. I usually go straight for a BR anyway. However, dual-wielding was doable in Halo2. When Halo2 was first released, an SMG/Pistol combination was fantastic. You could kill the driver of a ghost zooming by you in seconds, without having to try and target the ghost's gas tank. Then of course, Bungie nerfed the pistol's damage, as if it hadn't already been castrated from Halo1.cjelly said:
I never understood why the pistol was considered too powerful in HaloCE, but the charged plasma pistol/BR combination in Halo2 was not. "But a charged plasma pistol shot removes the shield." Yeah yeah bla bla bla... the argument is valid, but now you have something equally powerful as the pistol was in HaloCE (at least in 1v1 encounters) and the pistol was just nerfed for being to powerful. I see double standards!
Princess Carl
Member
EazyB said:
Well thats just fucking stupid if true.
Showing us a game thats based upon the 6 different spartans that very in size and skill set, only to not include that into multiplayer?
If that isn't whats different in multiplayer, then i have a hard time imagining what any big change is.
This ruined my day a little. sadface
bobs...onGaf
Member
Kibbles said:
I agree, ive always liked how the Halo multiplayer maps where unique - and was insanely dissapointed that Firefight had campeign maps, i put this down to limited timescale, but with Reach that isnt the issue, so why?
Perhaps they want all the Halo Reach multiplayer maps to support firefight, and so they chose to use locations from the single player which was designed with AI in mind?
AwesomeSyrup
Banned
So far I've liked everything I heard, but there are two things I want to hear and that Urk should dedicate the next BWU to. 
The return of the BR, and an explanation of what's going on with the MP maps.
The return of the BR, and an explanation of what's going on with the MP maps.
Kibbles
Member
This. I got 2nd place in a Team Slayer tournament (would've got first but one time we had a guy who never played Halo before) for Halo 2 at my local Game Crazy and because there were so many people and we played Lockout and stuff I just dominated with SMG combos or SMG and pistol.Deputy Moonman said:
Although, I don't really care that it's gone or not. I'm just saying that it was useful in Halo 2.
I still think taking the MP maps from the SP isn't a bad idea. I know ive said this at least I think I did, but what if Bungie developed a giant battle situation where you have to kill those 30+ covenant? Like they all drop into a map and you HAVE to kill them all to move on. It would feel like MP but you are just playing it in SP vs AI. Now when they port that section of the map over, they just close off where you would have entered and where you would have left after the battle was over. Like for example, lets say they have a Blood Gulch remake, in the Single-player portion of the game lets say your team is dropped off but you encounter a lot of covenant forces once you hit the ground, then you have to kill them all and after thats done, you can plant explosives on a wall or something that would let you move on. No in Multi-player, they would just get rid of the thing that let you move on.
This is all speculation obviously but I kind of hope Bungie goes in this direction.
This is all speculation obviously but I kind of hope Bungie goes in this direction.
The Librarian
Banned
ODST has the best gameplay in the series.Zabka said:
minasodaboy
Member
Lunchbox said:The legendary edition better come with a piece of that beard
sage's creepy uncle?
BattleMonkey
Member
Zabka said:
Except many of the weapons didn't exist until their was dual wielding. Most of the complaints came from the weapons that got nerfed. Now basically the weapons that were meant for dual wielding are going to need to be buffed to make them worthwhile or removed.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Kibbles said:
To be fair your opponents might have just been aweful, the fact you had someone who hasnt played Halo before and still came second proves that :lol
Ive never seen a situation where duel weilding has been useful, and its really limiting - if I have a single weild weapon and you have duals ill just nade you before we start firing at eachother.
So yeah glad to see its gone, and im glad to see its influence on the sandbox is gone, long live the days where weapons like plasma rifles are useful :lol
In terms of weapon removal, well
The Spiker
The SMG
The Plasma Rifle
are all dual weildable and all act almost the same, infact if you replaced all of them with a AR people who dont dual weild wouldnt notice.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Halo: Combat Evolved would like a word with you.Dax01 said:
randomlyrossy
Member
xDangerboy said:
I don't think a class based system is really needed. From what we know it appears everyone will have a unique character to transfer across single and multiplayer. You'll be able to choose all your abilities and such. It'll essentially be like the Modern Warfare create a class system with abilities being the equivalent of perks but in place of customising your weapon loadout you get to customise your armour to a far greater extent.