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[Killer Queen]

But Escape is the hidden gem....

@ Killer Queen: I can't wait for Halo on Fire. I know there's no ballad but it's probably the song with the most melodic parts.
Melodic Metallica is best Metallica
But...to be honest...Moth into Flame and Atlas, Rise! are melodic, too. Man, I just can't wait for this album. So far this sounds like a mix of RTL, MOP and the Black Album ....with the groove of Load/ Reload. Fucking hell..this could be the best thing ever, lol.

Apparently Lars lied and Halo On Fire is a ballad, just not a "Nothing Else Matters" ballad but more of a One ballad, I'm pretty excited for it too. Supposed to be really emotional.

 

[The perfect Dark]

Naaah, that's Trapped under Ice.

You sir...are right.

Apparently Lars lied and Halo On Fire is a ballad, just not a "Nothing Else Matters" ballad but more of a One ballad, I'm pretty excited for it too. Supposed to be really emotional.

Yeah, I don't expect a "Nothing else matters"- ballad.

BTW: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=222861123#post222861123

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Giving Atlas another spin. It's a pretty decent song with some nice Maidenesque harmonies from like 4:20 to 4:55 or so. But overall I still think there's some fat that could be trimmed off the song.

 

[IC5]

Yeah I was watching this now. I actually like the song quite a bit more having heard it in a live context (despite it not being as tight as their usual live performances, it's new whatever)

They down tuned the live performance. Sounds flat.

 

[fast_taker]

In my opinion this is the best Metallica release since black album.
For a 80s Metallica fan like me, Hardwired to self destruct is bs compared to their 80s masterpieces!

 

[The perfect Dark]

In my opinion this is the best Metallica release since black album.
For a 80s Metallica fan like me, Hardwired to self destruct is bs compared to their 80s masterpieces!

I want to understand these opinions. Why is it bs compared to their old stuff? Is it the sound? The voice?

 

[Randam]

Disposable Heroes is in my top 3 Metallica songs.
Wtf???

 

[Killer Queen]

They down tuned the live performance. Sounds flat.

James said they down tune live because it's easier on his voice.
Also for those that hate the album cover, this was an alternative one.

And here are two riffs from Hardwired To Self Destruct someone recorded during the listening party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7PXphBac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiPhvJZrV1c

 

[funkystudent]

After a few days I can say Atlas Rise is easily my favourite of the 3.

I am a big Iron Maiden guy though and this song has a lot of that Maiden feel. But really if you have harmonising guitar melodies it will probably get a extra point or two from me.

 

[Killer Queen]

After a few days I can say Atlas Rise is easily my favourite of the 3.

I am a big Iron Maiden guy though and this song has a lot of that Maiden feel. But really if you have harmonising guitar melodies it will probably get a extra point or two from me.

It might be because it's my least played but yeah I think Atlas Rise is my favorite, especially since the Maiden Esque parts really stand out against the rest of their discography. But so does Moth.

I'm really excited for this album because it feels fresh and natural rather than maybe as mechanical as Death Magnetic while being more focused than DM.

 

[Creamium]

Last weekend I watched Some Kind of Monster for the first time. Some things stood out:

1) The Dave Mustaine appearance. So 20 years after getting dumped from the band he's still bitter about it? So weird that he can't get over it even after making a name for himself and making a few clasic albums on his own. If what's on wikipedia is true, the guy was a real fiend though in those days, no wonder they kicked him out.

2) Hetfield killing a bear while on vacation in Russia, bah

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Last weekend I watched Some Kind of Monster for the first time. Some things stood out:

1) The Dave Mustaine appearance. So 20 years after getting dumped from the band he's still bitter about it? So weird that he can't get over it even after making a name for himself and making a few clasic albums on his own. If what's on wikipedia is true, the guy was a real fiend though in those days, no wonder they kicked him out.

Musty's been bitter ever since, and he more or less started Megadeth just because he wanted to outdo his former band.

Spoiler

He is also a better guitarist than Kirk and Jaymz.

 

[Randam]

Last weekend I watched Some Kind of Monster for the first time. Some things stood out:

1) The Dave Mustaine appearance. So 20 years after getting dumped from the band he's still bitter about it? So weird that he can't get over it even after making a name for himself and making a few clasic albums on his own. If what's on wikipedia is true, the guy was a real fiend though in those days, no wonder they kicked him out.

2) Hetfield killing a bear while on vacation in Russia, bah

Some Kind of Monster was the first time I heard of Dave Mustaine.
got the feeling he was some construction worker, that never made it or something.

 

[Formless]

I want to understand these opinions. Why is it bs compared to their old stuff? Is it the sound? The voice?

For me:

Kirk's solos aren't really memorable anymore, the drumming has become simpler, production is dryer, the songwriting sometimes occupies a weird kinda-proggy-rhythm-changes-but-still-not-very-proggy territory, and most of the new songs have hard rock stuff going on along with less "epic" and more personal lyrics. All these changes make for less grand feeling songs IMO.

I still like the new stuff a lot but it's hard to envision a scenario where they pull out another Master of Puppets. It's clear from the Back to the Front book that having all band members basically being consumed by their music is what led to the results for those early albums.

 

[RangerX]

Atlas is definitely my least favourite of the three.The maidenesque section is cool but I'm not a fan of the rest of the song. The production sounds really flat. Moth into flame is a brilliant song though. One of their best in 20 years.

One or two reviews have come out that have said that there are legendary songs on the album but it suffers from the same problem their last few releases have: an inability to self edit. Still majorly hyped from the album because I've liked pretty much everything they've released. Metallica were gods to me when I was a teenager.

 

[IC5]

James said they down tune live because it's easier on his voice.

Yes, I am aware of why bands down-tune, live.

Sounds flat. Especially, in this case. I'm pretty picky about bands not being able to hack it, live.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Musty's been bitter ever since, and he more or less started Megadeth just because he wanted to outdo his former band.

Spoiler

He is also a better guitarist than Kirk and Jaymz.

Dave is anything but a well of rational thought, considering his Alex Jones conspiracy bullshit and his constant anger issues. Really, him still being bitter about Metallica isn't all that surprising considering how big an ass he is along with the fact that, despite all it's success, Megadeth is still ultimately a less successful band than Metallica.

And yeah, Dave is certainly a better guitarist than James or Kirk, but Metallica as a whole are still WAY better songwriters than Dave is on average. Besides Rust In Peace (Megadeth's only good album, and one of the greatest metal albums ever, btw), pretty much each one of their albums are more miss than hit, with most of said misses not even reaching the level of 80s Metallica's worst. Like, you could cull all the good tracks from Killing is My Business, Peace Sells and So Far So Good So What and maybe get a solid 30 minute album that's about as good as Ride the Lightning, but that's about it...

(And yeah, I know that Dave contributed to the writing of Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning, but considering the gulf in quality between Megadeth and post-Mustaine Metallica, I have to question how much he actually contributed...)

 

[strafer]

13 days left.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Dave is anything but a well of rational thought, considering his Alex Jones conspiracy bullshit and his constant anger issues. Really, him still being bitter about Metallica isn't all that surprising considering how big an ass he is along with the fact that, despite all it's success, Megadeth is still ultimately a less successful band than Metallica.

And yeah, Dave is certainly a better guitarist than James or Kirk, but Metallica as a whole are still WAY better songwriters than Dave is on average. Besides Rust In Peace (Megadeth's only good album, and one of the greatest metal albums ever, btw), pretty much each one of their albums are more miss than hit, with most of said misses not even reaching the level of 80s Metallica's worst. Like, you could cull all the good tracks from Killing is My Business, Peace Sells and So Far So Good So What and maybe get a solid 30 minute album that's about as good as Ride the Lightning, but that's about it...

(And yeah, I know that Dave contributed to the writing of Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning, but considering the gulf in quality between Megadeth and post-Mustaine Metallica, I have to question how much he actually contributed...)

Mustaine is a bit of a loony, but compared to Blackie Lawless nowadays, Musty seems like a perfectly rational human being.

 

[Killer Queen]

Some Kind of Monster was the first time I heard of Dave Mustaine.
got the feeling he was some construction worker, that never made it or something.

Lmao

Musty's been bitter ever since, and he more or less started Megadeth just because he wanted to outdo his former band.

Spoiler

He is also a better guitarist than Kirk and Jaymz.

Truth all around

 

[Jarate]

Peace Sells, and Countdown to Extinction are all very good albums. Rust in Peace is one of the best metal albums of all time. Mustaine is a loon, but he's shown his worth as a great metal musician.

I'll take a listen to this album once it's out, but I haven't liked a Metallica album in forever. Hopefully this will buck the trend

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Yes, I am aware of why bands down-tune, live.

Sounds flat. Especially, in this case. I'm pretty picky about bands not being able to hack it, live.

Meh. Getting older is rough on singers. Who gives a shit if the albums are standard, and live are a half step down. I prefer this over the Loads being recorded a half step down.

1) The Dave Mustaine appearance. So 20 years after getting dumped from the band he's still bitter about it? So weird that he can't get over it even after making a name for himself and making a few clasic albums on his own. If what's on wikipedia is true, the guy was a real fiend though in those days, no wonder they kicked him out.

I mean, it was what he was there to talk about. He has also said he wasn't super thrilled with the way that scene was edited.

At the same time, imagine spending 20 years of your life having every single accomplishment compared to and overshadowed by your previous band. Your best selling album equals sales to their worst. You become one of the biggest metal bands ever, while they become one of the biggest bands ever, period. You have to imagine not just the constant trolling he has received, as he discusses in SKoM. But, imagine how much "innocent" shit he has had to put up with. How many interviews he showed up to to talk about his new album, to have that conversation always come up. I get how it all would drive anyone a little mad.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

+1 on Load being a fantastic album. Terribly underrated due to it being a break from their previous style. I'm gonna have to give it a listen today after seeing it discussed.

 

[Exodust]

Dave is a loon, but an understandable loon. Considering how dude grew up and decided to become completely born again christian shit probably amped that up.

Megadeth up until Rust In Peace is legit, with Countdown to Extinction and Youthanasia being fun listens afterwards. So yeah, Mustaine's a nut but he is a legit legend.

Also, if you cut out the fat from Load and ReLoad and compact into one album it would be a good heavy bluesy-rock album but nothing I'd call fantastic.

 

[daxter01]

Also, if you cut out the fat from Load and ReLoad and compact into one album it would be a good heavy bluesy-rock album but nothing I'd call fantastic.

Yeah lots of fillers on those 2 album

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Yeah lots of fillers on those 2 album

I really like Load. ReLoad... not so much.

Interesting tidbit in SKoM when James talks about wanting to avoid what they did during the Loads, which was hammering any idea out into a song instead of being careful to choose the good stuff. Sounds like they didn't throw anything away from that era.

 

[daxter01]

They are terrible at choosing what songs they should put on the disc what they should not. Even beyond magnetic had better tracks thans some of Death Magnetic tracks

 

[strafer]

hahah James <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDAguNHRCm8

 

[March of the Crabs]

They are terrible at choosing what songs they should put on the disc what they should not. Even beyond magnetic had better tracks thans some of Death Magnetic tracks

Rebel of Babylon rules

 

[Whoyouare]

+1 on Load being a fantastic album. Terribly underrated due to it being a break from their previous style. I'm gonna have to give it a listen today after seeing it discussed.

i completely agree. Hero of the day is one of my favorite songs. Kirks solo is so so good.

 

[Ristifer]

Small part of 'Here Comes Revenge' during an ESPN football ad. Someone found it and uploaded it to youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm5_V5rbDeA

 

[Killer Queen]

Small part of 'Here Comes Revenge' during an ESPN football ad. Someone found it and uploaded it to youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm5_V5rbDeA

Holy fuck that sounds good. This album will definitely live up to the hype

 

[Creamium]

I'm listening to some albums again after a long time, and there's something unexpected: I've always told myself that the black album was 'the beginning of the downfall', but it surprised me how much I liked some of the songs upon relisten: Sad But True, The Unforgiven, Sandman, Through the Never but Wherever I May Roam especially. I listened to the '93 Mexico City live version and that song kicks so much ass. Compare this to Justice and I found myself skipping through the album weirdly enough. It also struck me that Eye of the Beholder is still one of my favorites on that album, but you never see that mentioned anywhere. Love the riff.

Lightning is still a lock as my favorite album though. But! I feel like I should give (Re)Load a second shot now. I've always wondered how much Mustaine was in RtL (the track). Because I've always pegged the opening riff as something Mustaine might've done. Do we know who to credit for that riff? It's one of my all time favorites.

 

[Horseress]

One. Fucking. Week.

I can't wait anymore, Lars pls

 

[The perfect Dark]

Only 7 days....

 

[The perfect Dark]

Man, now I know why Hardwired sounds so familiar. It gives me some Dirty Window vibes...without the melodic parts of course.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Lightning is still a lock as my favorite album though. But! I feel like I should give (Re)Load a second shot now. I've always wondered how much Mustaine was in RtL (the track). Because I've always pegged the opening riff as something Mustaine might've done. Do we know who to credit for that riff? It's one of my all time favorites.

Don't think we have any specific intro on that riff, but Musty claimed Metallica were using his riffs up to and including the MoP album. But then again it's Musty, so YMMV.

 

[strafer]

Small part of 'Here Comes Revenge' during an ESPN football ad. Someone found it and uploaded it to youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm5_V5rbDeA

Got another link? This one is blocked.

 

[Horseress]

Got another link? This one is blocked.

Here

 

[strafer]

Here

Thanks! Sounds amazing.

 

[Killer Queen]

So.
Album is out in the wild. I guess we'll have a leak in the next few hours, if not by the end of tomorrow.

I'm listening to some albums again after a long time, and there's something unexpected: I've always told myself that the black album was 'the beginning of the downfall', but it surprised me how much I liked some of the songs upon relisten: Sad But True, The Unforgiven, Sandman, Through the Never but Wherever I May Roam especially. I listened to the '93 Mexico City live version and that song kicks so much ass. Compare this to Justice and I found myself skipping through the album weirdly enough. It also struck me that Eye of the Beholder is still one of my favorites on that album, but you never see that mentioned anywhere. Love the riff.

Lightning is still a lock as my favorite album though. But! I feel like I should give (Re)Load a second shot now. I've always wondered how much Mustaine was in RtL (the track). Because I've always pegged the opening riff as something Mustaine might've done. Do we know who to credit for that riff? It's one of my all time favorites.

Reload is great.

Also Mustaine is credited for writing the intro to Call of Ktulu and the riff before Kirk's solo in Ride the Lighting. He also wrote The Four Horsemen (AKA Mechanix, which was the original title and is on Megadeth's debut album) along with jump in the fire then he's got writing credits for Metal Militia and Phantom Lord

 

[Killer Queen]

Double post, please delete if a mod happens to come in here

 

[strafer]

So.
Album is out in the wild. I guess we'll have a leak in the next few hours, if not by the end of tomorrow.

Not surprised one bit. Shame though.

 

[Escape Goat]

If the whole 2016 Presidential Election could have a slogan it would be "Hardwired to Self Destruct"

 

[Killer Queen]

Not surprised one bit. Shame though.

Ngl, as soon as it comes out I'll listen. Need to catharsis after this election and I'm not even American.

If the whole 2016 Presidential Election could have a slogan it would be "Hardwired to Self Destruct"

Sad But True!

 

[Kaladin]

Apparently Metallica are doing a big stadium tour next year. I love them in arenas but hate the sound in an outdoor stadium. I think I will be missing this tour.

 

[Megasoum]

Apparently Metallica are doing a big stadium tour next year. I love them in arenas but hate the sound in an outdoor stadium. I think I will be missing this tour.

Ah FFS I hope it's not true.

The only indoor (with seating) place that would fit that criteria in Montreal is the Olympic Stadium and the acoustic is terrible.

I hope they will do the Bell Center like in 08.

 

[Killer Queen]

Ah FFS I hope it's not true.

The only indoor (with seating) place that would fit that criteria in Montreal is the Olympic Stadium and the acoustic is terrible.

I hope they will do the Bell Center like in 08.

I just need them to come to Toronto.

In other news though. I've got the lyrics to every song on the album. Will be posting soon.

 

[skypunch]

And yeah, Dave is certainly a better guitarist than James or Kirk, but Metallica as a whole are still WAY better songwriters than Dave is on average. Besides Rust In Peace (Megadeth's only good album, and one of the greatest metal albums ever, btw), pretty much each one of their albums are more miss than hit, with most of said misses not even reaching the level of 80s Metallica's worst. Like, you could cull all the good tracks from Killing is My Business, Peace Sells and So Far So Good So What and maybe get a solid 30 minute album that's about as good as Ride the Lightning, but that's about it...

(And yeah, I know that Dave contributed to the writing of Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning, but considering the gulf in quality between Megadeth and post-Mustaine Metallica, I have to question how much he actually contributed...)

Don't agree. Megadeth are much better songwriters than Metallica, always have been. Metallica are the bigger act, but they write metal that is less interesting, more straightforward and more obvious than Megadeth. Megadeth are also the more technical band, and their songwriting is much more sophisticated than Metallica.

Metallica could never write A Train of Consequences, A Tout Le Monde, or In My Darkest Hour.

This new Metallica album, from what I've heard, sounds really uninspired and hollow. It sounds like stock metal.

 

[Ristifer]

Don't agree. Megadeth are much better songwriters than Metallica, always have been. Metallica are the bigger act, but they write metal that is less interesting, more straightforward and more obvious than Megadeth. Megadeth are also the more technical band, and their songwriting is much more sophisticated than Metallica.

Metallica could never write A Train of Consequences, A Tout Le Monde, or In My Darkest Hour.

Eh, I don't agree with that. Megadeth is more technical, no doubt. But that doesn't really equate to them being better songwriters.

And your example could be turned the other way around. Megadeth/Dave could never write The Outlaw Torn, Fixxxer, My Friend Of Misery, etc. They're both different bands. Metallica is the thunderous sound, while Megadeth is the more flashy sound.