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Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F 2nd |OT| I'll Miku-Miku GAF (For Reals)
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Having now played this I have to say that there are a lot of "improvements" that rashly make this game categorically worse than the first one.
1: Scratch notes can now be failed instead of just being good no matter how early or late you hit them
2: the combination song modifiers are not fun and combining 2 or more on any difficulty level makes the songs incredibly difficult to pass. Also they removed the "good and cool" modifier which was the best way to score extra diva points
3: the charting on some songs is just complete nonsense and doesn't match up to anything
4: the notes follow strange trajectories into the note slot. For some reason a lot of songs have notes that bend at the last second or they randomly change sequence in the song.
5: the pattern star notes are a disaster and not at all fun
that being said the game has some absolute classic songs on it and the normal formula stuff is good for the most part and letting you know about the unlocks is a nice addition. Enjoying it so far, but I know it could be so much better...
1: Scratch notes can now be failed instead of just being good no matter how early or late you hit them
2: the combination song modifiers are not fun and combining 2 or more on any difficulty level makes the songs incredibly difficult to pass. Also they removed the "good and cool" modifier which was the best way to score extra diva points
3: the charting on some songs is just complete nonsense and doesn't match up to anything
4: the notes follow strange trajectories into the note slot. For some reason a lot of songs have notes that bend at the last second or they randomly change sequence in the song.
5: the pattern star notes are a disaster and not at all fun
that being said the game has some absolute classic songs on it and the normal formula stuff is good for the most part and letting you know about the unlocks is a nice addition. Enjoying it so far, but I know it could be so much better...
Remembrance
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I liked how they did this in Miku Flick 02:
You clear all other songs, the credits roll and immediately kick you into Intense Voice on Extreme. At this point the song itself is not even unlocked and you have probably not even tried Extreme.
You fail out of the song and then it unlocks on Easy and Normal on your abyssmal results screen.
StarCreator
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DLC rollout for NA starts on Dec 9. (There is DLC coming out for JP tomorrow night if that's what you were hearing though.)
bobawesome
Member
How are the Miku Flick games, by the way? I keep forgetting they're a thing.
I'm curious because it'll be a little while before I get another Vita in my hands.
I did hear DLC coming for JP, got mixed up and thought it was NA. Thanks.
HypnoDarkrai
Member
Screw Kagerou Daze Extreme's Chance Time. :<
Got it finally.
The game seems a good update of the old, now I'm perfecting the easy songs one after another, on 3rd/4th attempt, in a way that simply were impossible to me in the previous version, but it's normal since currently i'm playing hard difficulty on F. The hated slide-star notes and the other changes do not bother me, but currently I can't imagine the impact these changes have on the bigger difficulties.
I like the new effects for the differents type of notes, in particular the sound for the hold notes seems to help me better to avoid early releases of the buttons and understand the rhythm of the song.
The game seems a good update of the old, now I'm perfecting the easy songs one after another, on 3rd/4th attempt, in a way that simply were impossible to me in the previous version, but it's normal since currently i'm playing hard difficulty on F. The hated slide-star notes and the other changes do not bother me, but currently I can't imagine the impact these changes have on the bigger difficulties.
I like the new effects for the differents type of notes, in particular the sound for the hold notes seems to help me better to avoid early releases of the buttons and understand the rhythm of the song.
Remembrance
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Miku Flick 02 now has two years' worth of DLC packs, which is pretty substantial (3 songs per pack for $4, 20 packs total). A lot of the songs are taken from Project Diva Arcade's original content. The last three packs added most of the songs from Miku Flick 1, so you really only need the second game.
It's a bit of a handicap if you can't read Japanese characters, but I find that at least on the lower difficulties you can fairly effectively sightread the targets. Might not work on Extreme, though.
I just got an email from BB telling me my copy of the game is no longer available for pickup; it was supposed to arrive tomorrow. I ordered it on release and it's supposedly been in shipping since then and now the Vita version is showing up as completely out of stock on their website
absolutely terrible, if I hadn't jumped on that GCU deal i'd never shop there again
That the one with Scratch, Arrow, Arrow, Scratch, Arrow, Arrow, and so on?
Because yes, screw it indeed.
Remembrance
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HypnoDarkrai
Member
Yes.
IIRC they have to get the rights to translate the song, since it's being used for-profit.
my family is fucking trolling me this year with the gifts I'm getting, first what my fiancee gave me... and now my sister got me this game as a gift. is this game good? i mean, it's just like a regular rhythm game like EBA or something or even DJ Portable Maxx?? It's not going to turn me into some weird waifu obsessed weeaboo? (
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i'm being silly of course but i'm really just asking if the core gameplay is strong enough for someone who doesn't care for Hatsune Miku herself. otherwise i can trade it in or something ya know?
i'm joking if it wasn't clear
i'm being silly of course but i'm really just asking if the core gameplay is strong enough for someone who doesn't care for Hatsune Miku herself. otherwise i can trade it in or something ya know?
...Not the best way to introduce yourself in a topic
That said, the game is a standard 4-button rhythm game.
There is a "virtual pet" style mode, but that's completely unconnected to the main game. (aside from being able to use shop points earned from the main game to buy things for it).
Ahh.
Well, boo to that. "No, I wrote this song for people to put in their earholes, but filthy Americans don't deserve to understand!"
And thus, Google exists.
I'm just being silly as I said because getting the game was probably the most unexpected thing ever given my tastes, I just want to know if the gameplay is strong enough for someone who doesn't care for Hatsune Miku or that stuff. Is the gameplay fun, varied, challenging? Ya know, that sort of thing.
It's pretty easy on easy. Normal is so so, can get hard there too if you're playing for first the time.
Extreme mode is where the challenge is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtbSadqIW9E
Yeah, I never understood that either. Money's money.
Ah, gotcha.
I'd say it's pretty damned good on the first and third fronts. The core gameplay is rock-solid (though with PS3 versions you have to mess with calibration to compensate for input lag and make sure it feels right, which can be tricky.) and the game gets very difficult on Hard and Extreme (normal is no joke either)
As far as variety goes, The gameplay itself is fairly basic and consistent the whole way. That said the continual tricks and artifices the note charts pull the whole way makes it a fairly engaging and challenging affair even for experienced players.
wow that looks right up my alley. seems my fingers would hurt from that shit haha.
alright i'll play it then. just vocaloid songs though right? kind of an annoying sound but I'll survive
Edit: What the heck at the end part of that song from the video, how do you beat it without being a robot!? that looks crazy
There's a fair amount of variety in the track list, so you'll probably find at least one or two songs you like. that song you just saw in particular milks the mechanical qualities of the Vocaloid singers for nearly all it's worth. Most of the other songs are a smidge more naturalistic-sounding.
And mastering two-handed gameplay is basically essential to surviving (and excelling) on extreme. The learning curve for doing so is fairly high, but it lets you accomplish some great stuff.
oh man this sounds like it's gonna return me to my days trying to high score DJ Max Portable and having my hands cramp for 12 hours afterwards
*cracks fingers*
welp time to get to it then >
I've been having issues mostly with points 3 and 4, really not liking those changes.
Regarding point 1). I think it was a fair change, even if I personally don't enjoy the stars sections too much so I didn't mind the not being able to fail at them.
As for point 5), pattern stars are really not a good addition either, randomly changes of speed is not my idea of good design, but at least you get used to them when you know the songs. So I imagine they won't be too big of an issue in the long run.
I didn't care for Miku either, and to be honest after getting the first game and playing it for 4 hours I thought I had done a mistake (I just couldn't get over the vocaloid voices).
I then ended up with 60 hours and got the second game at release.
Take that as you will.
So.. I played Kagerou Daze on Extreme...
And I didn't get this PV while playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3hURQPmvss
Instead it just showed Miku rocking out on the guitar the whole time
Noticed I failed the Chance section and it changes the entire video!
And I didn't get this PV while playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3hURQPmvss
Instead it just showed Miku rocking out on the guitar the whole time
Noticed I failed the Chance section and it changes the entire video!
Gameboy415
Member
Man, that really stinks!
I got my PS3 copy of the game from BB (with GCU) at release and I had the Vita version pre-ordered at Gamestop but had to cancel it due to some money concerns at the time (which turned out to be a non-issue, blah!).
I was hoping to grab a Vita copy from BB but I doubt they're going to re-stock it so I went ahead and just ordered a copy from Amazon.
They seemingly only have 3-4 copies in-stock too - I tried adding 999 to my cart to test it and got a message saying they only had 3 available.
raidergale
Member
Yeah, Vita version is low on stock here too, I ordered the game a week before release and the shop only received 2 copies (I was the 4th person who ordered the game). The owner then had to order some copies from the UK and I was supposed to get the game this week, but due to lack of stock in the UK too I'll get the game next week :/
They should've really released more physical copies but oh well, I guess they didn't expect to go out of stock that easily
They should've really released more physical copies but oh well, I guess they didn't expect to go out of stock that easily
I already knew this from when the game came out in Japan, but I'm buying it just for this song. So determined to get Extreme/Perfect.
My jaw literally dropped with ""This is the Happiness and Peace of Mind Committee".
First time I heard it, and "that" moment totally got me. Now I can't stop hearing it.
I also love "Wintry Winds" but it could be way better without Kaito. Meiko sounds completely spectacular here.
First time I heard it, and "that" moment totally got me. Now I can't stop hearing it.
I also love "Wintry Winds" but it could be way better without Kaito. Meiko sounds completely spectacular here.
Remembrance
Member
Kagerou Days is part of the Kagerou Project franchise, making it possibly the one song here that will make more money outside this game than in it.
Not surprising that this is the only untranslated song - the rights are probably more complex (and expensive) than any of the others.
bobawesome
Member
I see. Thank you for the information!
It starts off innocent enough, playing Project Diva f... Next thing you know, you're switching your avatar on NeoGAF and talking to others about your favorite Persona waifu. Then come the body pillows...
HypnoDarkrai
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ArclightBorealis
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Of all the classic songs featured in this game, I always felt Rolling Girl being missing was weird. Now that won't be the case for long.
Absolutely love that song.
Friend told me about it a few days ago, it was my most wanted song, can't wait.
Enigmatic Rainbow
Member
I was able to just add the Additional Module DLC to the cart, and it showed up for free before checking out.
Enigmatic Rainbow
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Ah, okay. I'm on US PSN.
ArclightBorealis
Member
Man, the more I play Cantarella -grace edition- the more I wish V3 Kaito and Meiko songs would be featured more in Project Diva so I could stop bitching about how terrible they sound.
Onion_Relish
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Amazing song, but i'm pretty sure I could sight read that on extreme and perfect it, possible even first try.
Kaito's songs on F1 took a while to grow on me, but all of his songs on F2 are great, not the least of which are Cantarella and Wintry Winds