What did he mean by this?
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I really hate this sort of stuff like The Man From High Castle
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HBO orders alternate universe Civil War drama [update: interview w/ producers]
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The Faceless Master
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they aren't?
Mister Wolf
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Don't forget they promised to "tackle the shit that's gone unaddressed".
More_Badass
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Not at all. They're about how fucked up, terrifying, and twisted such worlds are, and resisting and fighting back
Sunster
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it's gonna be REAL shit too! DEEP shit! And no one else is tackling it. Thank God for this show.
ryutaro's mama
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You should watch MITHC. It isn't that at all. It's actually a lot more palatable than the PKD book.
I have no idea about the other show.
Trail Guide
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Yeah this premise sounds awful. How does slavery continue into the modern era when it was already being shunned by the major nations at the time of the civil war. Granted colonialism would keep people of color oppressed around the world, but they were not slaves. Even if the south kept slaves they would all be replaced by machines come the 20th century because tractors and combines work fields faster and more efficiently than hundreds of slaves.
Unless it's going to be some allegory to modern "wage slavery" but I highly doubt that.
excelsiorlef
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I also look forward to kind old woman slave owner who treats her slaves well who faces off against liberationists and is protected by her slaves because they're 'happy"
Psychoward
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Uh no, didn't the alt-right call the man in the high castle liberal propaganda bc they thought it was attacking trump?
I've only seen the first two episodes though, slow as molasses.
ryutaro's mama
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More like if The US became North and South Korea complete with a DMZ.
The summary already points to "protagonists on both sides".
Mister Wolf
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C'mon now I know you can smell that bullshit coming from a mile away.
TheCochese
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Well, one of the alternate theories along that line is that once slaves did not hold value any longer, they would be no longer be needed. And yes, that means what you think it means.
Slavery: The Untold Story
Doesn't work because the US is peppered with places flying the Confederate flag. I'm guessimg you'd get a punch to the face if you're flying NK flag in Seoul.
Nah, Slaver: Untold Shit
ryutaro's mama
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FTFY
No no no think I misunderstood your post. In their alternate vision, it is basically NK/SK. Not sure stars and bars is flying high in the north and vice versa.
tearsintherain
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The reactions are certainly interesting, lot of people here and on other left-leaning sites are expressing disdain at the possibilities of glorifying the confederacy and white savior tropes. On twitter and other places I see right wing people are saying the show will push a white-people-are-evil agenda.
Makes me wonder if the show will prosper from a lot of negative reaction before its even filmed, or if it will simply lose any interest from all sides due to the politics.
Makes me wonder if the show will prosper from a lot of negative reaction before its even filmed, or if it will simply lose any interest from all sides due to the politics.
Sunster
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almost like no one wants this
Mister Wolf
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Do you think they will make the black actors speak with the stereotypical southern slave accent/slang for authenticity?
ryutaro's mama
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I am interested in seeing how they explain why folks keep using slaves when shit like this exists
But then again racism isn't always logical or encomical
Well you are forgetting that Blacks were primarily used for low pay wages for high risk jobs like smelting in steel factories.
For non-field jobs, like building skyscrapers and the roads and other such things, you could still incorporate slave labor during a modern industrial revolution.
people are complaining because they're expecting the worst case scenario (relative to their ideological position)
could be true. this show could be trash that handles a delicate subject matter with 0 finesse or tact.
but it could also be interesting. who knows.
Caddywompus
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I find it difficult to imagine this show tackling these issues with any level of tact, let alone some insightful commentary on real life parallels.
Ohhhhh gotcha. If that's their actual premise, that's more lame than I was thinking.
ryutaro's mama
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Well, they discuss just that in their premise summary. The nation splits into 2 and there is a DMZ buffer between the sides.
I've been avoiding mentioning those, heh. Folks are mad enough about the HBO show concept.
Sunster
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I'm complaining because a network like HBO could literally make any idea into a show and they chose this. "What if black people were slaves again?"
I am interested in seeing how they explain why folks keep using slaves when shit like this exists
But then again racism isn't logical or economical
That's not demeaning enough. Every single story involving slavery has ONE person who is the sadist. I think they're understating the cruelty of people and that there were many many more like them.
ryutaro's mama
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I can't this...at all.
I loved Empire's fuckery, but it doesn't belong in the same county as such a touchy subject
Cynical view: they know everyone and their grandma will tune in to a slavery world by the game of thrones showrunners.
I agree that, at least on first glance, this is a little smh.
But HBO = $$$ motivated
Yeah this is where I'm at. Is this really something worth delving into and exploring? Especially with the way things are right now? I dunno. Seems kind of effed up to me.
prag16
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Yeah it'll be far more interesting if they're all a bunch of blatant baby eating mustache twirling sadistic evil doers. Except not.
And regardless, protagonists on both sides could literally mean protagonists on both sides of the Mason Dixon.
Also love this narrative where the GoT showrunners are objectively horrible writers. Everybody is a pretentious critic apparently.
You are aware of what slavery is right? They literally wrote songs about using black babies as gator bait
Mammy's Little Alligator Bait
Woo-Fu
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Man in the High Castle came out in 2015.
The Faceless Master
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sounds like watching the news
or just watch Colony and get that fix without the extra levels of fuckshit?
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I agree it's overdone, but a slavery movie is one of the best movies of the decade thus far, so it all depends more on execution than on subject matter, specifically.
Woo-Fu
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Because yeah, the Confederacy is currently testing ICBMs and threatening invasion of everything North of Virginia. Oh wait, that isn't the case. You're trying way too hard.
More likely it's going to criticize them.
I don't see how a depiction of a society with slavery could be anything but a dystopia.
The Faceless Master
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or maybe just objectively horrible at dealing with slavery an race?
I'll be mildly surprised if conspicuous red hats don't fit into the narrative somewhere.
You generally have to be pretty evil to keep slavery going that long.
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