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HBO Original | The Last of Us | Part 1 OT | Endure & Survive
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TheInfamousKira
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Caught the second episode just now.
HBO getting confused and thinking they're adapting Resident Evil 8 because ol' Pedro doesn't want to be "that famous guy who only took roles wearing helmets,"
The scenery porn guy in me absolutely loved the settings, though. Beautiful city scape, corpse clogged museum, fungus everywhere. That first Clicker encounter was great.
Kind of dislike how Tess went out, though. I mean, making out with whiskers was kind of horrifying and poignant in a "this is a shell of a person clinging desperately to an action that once made him human," but I think TLOU's brilliance was It's restraint in big set piecey moments. It was the antithesis to Uncharted, and having a huge explosion versus "all of them," Zombies in the second episode just feels like TOO MUCH and unearned. Same deal with the car crash being changed into Leon landing in China. It made a lot more sense to me to have the opposition in this case be QZ officers cleaning up the remaining Fireflies, since they established earlier (in game and series) that Boston was having a scuffle with them.
But I also get that normies might be put off by a zombie show full of humans versus humans. Cough.
HBO getting confused and thinking they're adapting Resident Evil 8 because ol' Pedro doesn't want to be "that famous guy who only took roles wearing helmets,"
The scenery porn guy in me absolutely loved the settings, though. Beautiful city scape, corpse clogged museum, fungus everywhere. That first Clicker encounter was great.
Kind of dislike how Tess went out, though. I mean, making out with whiskers was kind of horrifying and poignant in a "this is a shell of a person clinging desperately to an action that once made him human," but I think TLOU's brilliance was It's restraint in big set piecey moments. It was the antithesis to Uncharted, and having a huge explosion versus "all of them," Zombies in the second episode just feels like TOO MUCH and unearned. Same deal with the car crash being changed into Leon landing in China. It made a lot more sense to me to have the opposition in this case be QZ officers cleaning up the remaining Fireflies, since they established earlier (in game and series) that Boston was having a scuffle with them.
But I also get that normies might be put off by a zombie show full of humans versus humans. Cough.
Ulysses 31
Member
I'm talking about the looks she gives Joel before proceeding with the talks, she does it a couple of times when they first meet Marlene.
Tess looks at Joel and he makes a go ahead move after which Tess says she wants to see the guns first when FEDRA shows up in the area.
After they've met Ellie, Tess looks at Joel and he shakes his head and folds his arms signalling Tess that they're not smuggling Ellie before seeing the guns.
There may be some more examples, I've only watched a linked video in this thread timestamped at the moment Joel and Tess go to see Robert.
Dunno, I'm curious to see why the guns were changed for a car battery or why Joel has intense emotional outburst so early in the story(or at all).
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Holographicman
Neo Member
Ages long lurker. Played both of the games multiple times. I enjoy the show so far, but it's a different feel when you are the one steering the wheel. The introduction to the fungi on both episodes are great, really gritty and builds the feel, but other than that it does lack the solidarity you get from playing the game in a dark room. That said, so far so good, it's impossible to match and in telling a good story they are doing a good job
Ocean Dweller
Member
The clicker sounds were great... the one clicker with the huge white mushroom head almost looked comical to me. Like cosplay
eastcoastkody
Member
not even HBO could class up the SyFy channel nature of this game. This proves to me that Last of Us was and is, high brow SyFy channel
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're trying to use verify as if she needs Joel's approval before moving forward. It's a simple look people give in conversations just to see if they agree with each other. This doesn't mean she needs Joel to agree with her.
Tess has shown in the game that she will argue with Joel if there's something she doesn't agree with.
Joel - "Tess, what the hell are we doing here?"
Tess: - What if it's true?"
Joel - "I can't believe -"
Tess - "What if, Joel? I mean we've come this far, let's just finish it."
Joel - "Do I need to remind you what is out there?"
Tess - "I get it."
Tess walks away with Ellie.
Tess' strong personality was all over the game.
Slothbeing1209
Member
Shakka43
Member
Something tells me you didn't like the game but I can't quite point out what it is...
eastcoastkody
Member
i like a lot of things about the game. graphics. art direction. voice acting. motion capturing. animations. audio design.
i just have never liked the story or gameplay. But i've only ever been able to stomach the first 3 or 4 hours. So as far as i know it could get way better after that????????
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Oddvintagechap
Banned
Every time people said, “who this is for, just play the game”.. it would be the stupidest comment.
no, it was just spreading the fungus.. she sorta panicked and wasn’t really moving hence the infected wasn’t aggressive. It wasn’t clinging to anything.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Okay.
bargeparty
Member
So you think changing perfectly fine lines of dialogue and key scenes are good? mmk. I'm not here to discuss it. I'm here to drive by complain cause generally gaf is more open to criticism than reddit or other outlets.
That's all.
FukuDaruma
Member
The fact that they thought they had to dumb down an adult show made for HBO based on a Playstation game is baffling.
Those moving tendrils making the fungus behave like a realtime moving animal are totally infantile and lame. There wasn’t any problem for the audience to understand radiation in Mazin’s ‘Chernobyl’ but now they thought their audience was too dumb to understand spores infection? really?
Not to mention they made Tess a lot less badass than her character in the original videogame at every turn.
Like a hard ass like Tess would call a 14 yo kid she’s smuggling as cargo “sister”. Yeah, right. This kind of cringe dialogue, that isn’t present in the original story at all, reeks of desperation to pander to what they think politically correct feminist ‘modern audiences’ would find ‘cool’.
Those moving tendrils making the fungus behave like a realtime moving animal are totally infantile and lame. There wasn’t any problem for the audience to understand radiation in Mazin’s ‘Chernobyl’ but now they thought their audience was too dumb to understand spores infection? really?
Not to mention they made Tess a lot less badass than her character in the original videogame at every turn.
Like a hard ass like Tess would call a 14 yo kid she’s smuggling as cargo “sister”. Yeah, right. This kind of cringe dialogue, that isn’t present in the original story at all, reeks of desperation to pander to what they think politically correct feminist ‘modern audiences’ would find ‘cool’.
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Ulysses 31
Member
Well, yeah, she needs Joel's help so she will look to him to see if he's going along or not leading me to believe it's more of an equal partnership than her clearly being in charge all the time.
And yeah Tess and Joel seem to argue a little more in the game which is one of the reasons I found TV Joel a little more passive.
Never said otherwise.
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Ulysses 31
Member
I suspect the writers/HBO didn't want our protagonist to been seen killing in cold blood like that so early in the show.The fact that they thought they had to dumb down an adult show made for HBO based on a Playstation game is baffling.
Those moving tendrils making the fungus behave like a realtime moving animal are totally infantile and lame. There wasn’t any problem for the audience to understand radiation in Mazin’s ‘Chernobyl’ but now they thought their audience was too dumb to understand spores infection? really?
Not to mention they made Tess a lot less badass than her character in the original videogame at every turn.
Like a hard ass like Tess would call a 14 yo kid she’s smuggling as cargo “sister”. Yeah, right. This kind of cringe dialogue, that isn’t present in the original story at all, reeks of desperation to pander to what they think politically correct feminist ‘modern audiences’ would find ‘cool’.
sojuwarrior
Member
Who is this Frank guy in ep3 preview? I don't remember him being there in the game segment with Bill?
I might be wrong though since I played it like 10 years ago lol
I might be wrong though since I played it like 10 years ago lol
eastcoastkody
Member
after the episode, theres a behind the making of episode 2 thingy. And the director explains that the spores thing works in a videogame. But in a real sense it was kinda dumb because we know that spores in the air would be everywhere and spread quickly. Not be centrally located to a room in a buildingThe fact that they thought they had to dumb down an adult show made for HBO based on a Playstation game is baffling.
Those moving tendrils making the fungus behave like a realtime moving animal are totally infantile and lame. There wasn’t any problem for the audience to understand radiation in Mazin’s ‘Chernobyl’ but now they thought their audience was too dumb to understand spores infection? really?
Not to mention they made Tess a lot less badass than her character in the original videogame at every turn.
Like a hard ass like Tess would call a 14 yo kid she’s smuggling as cargo “sister”. Yeah, right. This kind of cringe dialogue, that isn’t present in the original story at all, reeks of desperation to pander to what they think politically correct feminist ‘modern audiences’ would find ‘cool’.
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kyliethicc
Member
game spoiler
frank is found dead by joel & bill. he got bit, killed himself
he was bill's partner. had stolen the car battery and was attempting to leave but got infected
thelastofus.fandom.com
he was bill's partner. had stolen the car battery and was attempting to leave but got infected
Frank
Frank is a character who appears postmortem in The Last of Us Part I. It is heavily implied he was Bill's partner and lover. After becoming infected, Frank took his own life by hanging.[2] Frank lived in Lincoln with Bill. The pair survived for nearly twenty years together, fortifying the town...
thelastofus.fandom.com
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skneogaf
Member
I absolutely hate the casting and the changes!
There's so much of the environment that is perfect but so many cast members could have been better.
No spores was such a bad choice as I can see so many opportunities that they would have improved already.
This could have been absolutely amazing but it continues to be an expensive rip off of the game.
There's so much of the environment that is perfect but so many cast members could have been better.
No spores was such a bad choice as I can see so many opportunities that they would have improved already.
This could have been absolutely amazing but it continues to be an expensive rip off of the game.
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elcapitano
Member
First maybe 15-20 minutes of the episode where just okay but the rest was top tier.
Absolutely love the show.
Next week's episode is supposed to be a big one!
Absolutely love the show.
Next week's episode is supposed to be a big one!
BlitzerRadic
Member
You are truly a clown. You keep making shit up to somehow make TV Joel look like a bitch compared to the game when that is not true. Point out where in the game that these things happened. You cant because you havent played the game.
These are the conversations Joel and Tess have in the game after they get into the goldstone and before the her final cinematic in the capitol
In Goldstone Building:
Tess: After this over I was thinking we should take some time off, lay low
Joel: Everytime I mention that you blow me off, I'll believe it when I see it.
In subway:
Tess: Joel you take point, I'll watch the rear
Leaving museum just before they cross the plank:
Tess: cmon this way (Joel just stands there)
Tess: hey pick it up (Joel still standing there)
Tess: look we're almost done stay focused
Joel: yes maam
Ulysses 31
Member
Seems more like an issue of you being overdefensive over what is so far mild criticism. I didn't call TV Joel a beta and I don't think he is one in case I that wasn't clear enough for you.
I'll have to watch game footage of that section but again, it's not a huge deal to me so far.
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FukuDaruma
Member
That's just a lame excuse. Limiting the spores area is still VASTLY more realistic than dumb realtime moving tendrils.
They just thought it would look 'cooler' because then they would be like tentacles from a living organism that you can see moving, as opposed to fungi that grows so slow it appears static in realtime or spores moving in the air that look like dust.
It's just a dumbed down solution. This is HBO, not AMC.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Kotaku just wrote an article on Tess' kiss of death scene and it is infuriating how this fucking scene has become controversial among woke people. They are upset that the rapey undertones (overtones??) of the kiss somehow turn her into a damsel in distress/rape victim as if simply showing a strong female character in distress is now anti-feminist.
What the fuck is happening out there? First of all, the scene looked creepy and disturbing and if you were repulsed by it then thats a job well done by the writers and directors. Sometimes its ok to see something and be like 'eh, i dont know how i feel about this'. But treating everything from the prism of wokeness is absolutely ridiculous. She goes out with a bang, literally. She saves their lives. It's a way better death than the offscreen death she received in the game. It is unsettling, beautifully shot, and very well acted. What more do these people want?
On one hand, im glad that Neil, the champion of strong female characters is now getting shat on for this. He turned Abby into a literal bull by completely misunderstanding what makes a strong female character 'strong', and now the same people who championed him are now turning on him. On the other hand, TLOU was not woke at all despite having several gay and lesbian characters, and everyone loved it anyway. I hope Neil learns from this and realizes you can never please these people.
Here is the article if you want to lose brain cells. Typically i wont post this nonsense, but they arent the only ones.
kotaku.com
For the record, if you have a problem with that scene, thats ok. I just dont care for their reasoning. Just getting 'kissed' without consent does NOT ruin her character arc or take anything away from her sacrifice. It's not character asssasination. No one complained when they actually turned her into a damsel in distress who got triggered by gunfire in the first episode when her and Joel were out taking names and capping fools in the first hour of the game. But now, because Neil dared to put a slightly rapey scene, her character was ruined......
What the fuck is happening out there? First of all, the scene looked creepy and disturbing and if you were repulsed by it then thats a job well done by the writers and directors. Sometimes its ok to see something and be like 'eh, i dont know how i feel about this'. But treating everything from the prism of wokeness is absolutely ridiculous. She goes out with a bang, literally. She saves their lives. It's a way better death than the offscreen death she received in the game. It is unsettling, beautifully shot, and very well acted. What more do these people want?
On one hand, im glad that Neil, the champion of strong female characters is now getting shat on for this. He turned Abby into a literal bull by completely misunderstanding what makes a strong female character 'strong', and now the same people who championed him are now turning on him. On the other hand, TLOU was not woke at all despite having several gay and lesbian characters, and everyone loved it anyway. I hope Neil learns from this and realizes you can never please these people.
Here is the article if you want to lose brain cells. Typically i wont post this nonsense, but they arent the only ones.
HBO’s The Last Of Us Does Tess Dirty
Where in the PlayStation games she was a confident, dynamic character, HBO makes Tess an example
kotaku.com
For the record, if you have a problem with that scene, thats ok. I just dont care for their reasoning. Just getting 'kissed' without consent does NOT ruin her character arc or take anything away from her sacrifice. It's not character asssasination. No one complained when they actually turned her into a damsel in distress who got triggered by gunfire in the first episode when her and Joel were out taking names and capping fools in the first hour of the game. But now, because Neil dared to put a slightly rapey scene, her character was ruined......
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cormack12
Gold Member
Seriously these people are disturbed. The only thing going through my head was how fucking horrible that must have felt in her mouth.
But, I also thought they didn't go to kill her because they could sense the infection inside her as well, via tendril magic. Sort of like AHS season 11, I think? With the vamps.
This episode was much better paced and riveting. Really enjoyed this from end to end.
Really don't like the underground network of tendrils stuff. And it doesn't really tie into infected fighting each other.
FukuDaruma
Member
Which undermines the point of the characters evolution.
Contrary to the game, it is not established at all that Joel, and specially Tess, are cold blood killers that don't give a damn about Ellie or anybody else. Here you have a Tess that didn't kill anybody, calls Ellie "sister" and gets paralyzed by infected. They forced a cringey feminist dialogue and ended up doing a total disservice to Tess as a strong female character. And this is not Anna Torv's fault in the slightest.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Fungi people are now rapists.Kotaku just wrote an article on Tess' kiss of death scene and it is infuriating how this fucking scene has become controversial among woke people. They are upset that the rapey undertones (overtones??) of the kiss somehow turn her into a damsel in distress/rape victim as if simply showing a strong female character in distress is now anti-feminist.
What the fuck is happening out there? First of all, the scene looked creepy and disturbing and if you were repulsed by it then thats a job well done by the writers and directors. Sometimes its ok to see something and be like 'eh, i dont know how i feel about this'. But treating everything from the prism of wokeness is absolutely ridiculous. She goes out with a bang, literally. She saves their lives. It's a way better death than the offscreen death she received in the game. It is unsettling, beautifully shot, and very well acted. What more do these people want?
On one hand, im glad that Neil, the champion of strong female characters is now getting shat on for this. He turned Abby into a literal bull by completely misunderstanding what makes a strong female character 'strong', and now the same people who championed him are now turning on him. On the other hand, TLOU was not woke at all despite having several gay and lesbian characters, and everyone loved it anyway. I hope Neil learns from this and realizes you can never please these people.
Here is the article if you want to lose brain cells. Typically i wont post this nonsense, but they arent the only ones.
HBO’s The Last Of Us Does Tess Dirty
Where in the PlayStation games she was a confident, dynamic character, HBO makes Tess an example
For the record, if you have a problem with that scene, thats ok. I just dont care for their reasoning. Just getting 'kissed' without consent does NOT ruin her character arc or take anything away from her sacrifice. It's not character asssasination. No one complained when they actually turned her into a damsel in distress who got triggered by gunfire in the first episode when her and Joel were out taking names and capping fools in the first hour of the game. But now, because Neil dared to put a slightly rapey scene, her character was ruined......
Fucking hell, overly privileged cunts.
Pilgrimzero
Member
The Red Wedding levels of fan ire of those who only know the show is going to be amazing to witness in Season 2.
Oh boy more Pedro Pascal!......!!!
Oh boy more Pedro Pascal!......!!!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Going to be a Negan/Glenn moment for them.
Shakka43
Member
He IS "these people" so he won't learn shit lol.
kyliethicc
Member
Mibu no ookami
Banned
Joel literally kills an old woman within the first 30 minutes...
Ulysses 31
Member
In self defence or defence of another yeah, Robert was on the ground, unarmed with a broken arm.
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saintjules
Gold Member
Pilgrimzero
Member
Oh yeah better comparison.
It's not far fetched. Here's a yt short where Joe Rogan gets his mind blown by a dude wearing a mushroom hat, explaining fungi are the largest living organisms ever discovered.
This shit is real.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
He didnt used to be like this. Anita poisoned his brain. This guy wrote TLOU, left behind and Uncharted 4 and they werent really that bad. I mean he hired a white woman to play a black character lol.
Even TLOU2 is mostly about shitty women doing shitty things to each other. Hes no champion of women. he just got duped into thinking strong female characters mean actual strong characters. There was an interview where he tells his artists to make her arms even bigger as if that is somehow a good thing. it turned her into a joke character. she looked fine in the Paris Gameshow trailer.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I love this. It's so awesome seeing video game people making other media and it all crossing over.
I think a lot of people take for granted just how much video game actors like Troy Baker, Nolan North, and Laura Bailey have contributed to pop culture. And then there's writers like Druckmann who's work inspired others. This is all so cool to watch unfold.
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kyliethicc
Member
still going strong
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I thought it was a weird little thing to throw in, myself, but just that: weird. It was kind of a "take you out of the moment," thing like Cait Sith in FFVIIR or something.
But even that article trips up on it's virtue signaling. We're supposed to believe that Joel and Tess are equals, with equal authority over their operation, who are both the same level of jaded, threatening, and actually physically dangerous. When Tess says "We're shitty people, Joel," it makes Cucktaku writers get sticky pants because it's female empowerment and third wave feminism bullshit. When Tess dies, her last moments are full of dignity, for a heroic cause. Joel gets Strong Man'd in the Skull and dies on the floor. But that's cool with these people, because Joel was a monster. He was jaded, and threatening, and actually physically dang- oh. Oh.
Oh.
I
LaughingStock
Member
This show is bullshit. How come Joel already has an assault rifle? That's an end game weapon!
There was no cure in the game either. Ellie's immunity is the catalyst for belief in a possible vaccine. Her existence creates the conditions for Joel's choice.
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Agreed, top shelf viewing. My wife is very much enjoying the show.EP2 absolute masterpiece, even my GF was freaking shut because the suspensefucking insane
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Relax, only 2 episodes have aired. Why the need to overanalyse things you can't possibly know?
