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DForce said:
The Game

[MARLENE]




[Jerry]


TV Show

[MARLENE]




These are all the related notes, and there's nothing that suggests a cure was risky or that a cure wasn't possible. They're telling us through the story that they were going to make a cure, but Joel didn't want Marlene to sacrifice Ellie for it.



People always claim there's a note where Jerry talks about experimenting on other immune people, but it doesn't exist.

This is the actual transcript from the recording.



People have accused them of patching the recording in later versions of the game, but it's exactly the same if you play the original PlayStation 3.

Jerry says what happens to the patients after they're infected. That's it.
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I wonder where AI and I got it from then. No idea. I'm sure I remember playing the game and something made me feel like it wasnt 100% guaranteed
 
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DenchDeckard said:
I'm sure I remember playing the game and something made me feel like it wasnt 100% guaranteed
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Just the fact that the fireflies were on their last gasp and working with limited resources and literally one specimen for a cure. The chances are ridiculously low, but so are the odds of a fungus based apocalypse and a father who lost his daughter ending up escorting the only cure for all of humanity who was also the same age range. So are the odds that there was only one doctor alive in the entire world who could potentially figure it out. I'm sure a lot have written about it in reviews and such and AI is gonna pick up on all that.

The thing is, it's all make believe, so we should either accept ALL of the premise and engage with the moral dilemma or reject all of it. "Well, they wouldn't have found a cure anyway" is a cop out answer that tries to avoid the trolley problem altogether in defense of Joel's actions. It acquits him with no trial, which is the easy route for people who don't want to actually contend with the core of TLOU and just want to be a fan of Joel cuz he is the best daddy in the whole wide world (which he is, lol). And that's fine, everyone's free to do whatever, but it's silly when they pretend to have done any objective analysis of the subject.
 
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viveks86 said:
Just the fact that the fireflies were on their last gasp and working with limited resources and literally one specimen for a cure. The chances are ridiculously low, but so are the odds of a fungus based apocalypse and a father who lost her daughter ending up escorting the only cure for all of humanity who was also the same age range. So are the odds that there was only one doctor alive in the entire world who could potentially figure it out. I'm sure a lot have written about it in reviews and such and AI is gonna pick up on all that.

The thing is, it's all make believe, so we should either accept ALL of the premise and engage with the moral dilemma or reject all of it. "Well, they wouldn't have found a cure anyway" is a cop out answer that tries to avoid the trolley problem altogether in defense of Joel's actions. It acquits him with no trial, which is the easy route for people who don't want to actually contend with the core of TLOU and just want to be a fan of Joel cuz he is the best daddy in the whole wide world (which he is, lol). And that's fine, everyone's free to do whatever, but it's silly when they pretend to have done any objective analysis of the subject.
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Completely agree. I am just saying that from my perspective, when playing the PS3 version be it through audio logs or written documentation that I felt there was an implication that the cure might not be successfully developed and so I specifically remember, as a father of two little humans that I was like "these muther fuckers are dead!"

And I murdered everyone without batting an eye lid to save Ellie.

I didn't think Joel was ever innocent, I just understood his process through being a father.
 
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DenchDeckard said:
Completely agree. I am just saying that from my perspective, when playing the PS3 version be it through audio logs or written documentation that I felt there was an implication that the cure might not be successfully developed and so I specifically remember, as a father of two little humans that I was like "these muther fuckers are dead!"

And I murdered everyone without batting an eye lid to save Ellie.

I didn't think Joel was innocent ever, I just understood his process through being a father.
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Haha. Yeah. In terms of actual in-game notes/logs, there is no skepticism expressed. But it is natural to feel that as an observer. Even more so as a parent. If it were my kid and a cure was guaranteed, I'd still make the same choice. Fuck humanity. Life will find a way eventually.

I believe they did a survey of parents and non parents and it was ~ 50/50 for non parents and 100/0 for parents on if they would save the child or not in those circumstances. Makes sense to me!

John Bilbo said:
The Firefly Recorder references tests conducted five years ago. I am not a vaccine expert but it seems the passive tests reference passive immunization tests in real life. Those could require a person with antibodies which means a person immune to the virus.

Edit: I really want to replay the game again. It has been a long while.
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Passive immunization tests can be performed by extracting cells from animals that are immune. If there is no mention of another actual immune human, we should assume that's the route they took
 
She is a great actress, she just doesn't look the role






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I saw hard boiled eggs pretending to be soft boiled eggs with better range than this.
 
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