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[Chiggs]

Oh, and James Patterson probably didn't work with him. Jordan would have written that short story all by himself. Patterson literally licences his name out. It’s common knowledge in publishing.

Fair enough. But he’s still a published writer with a YouTube channel sub’d by millions. Doesn’t make him infallible, but seems like some folks in this thread, with zippity do da for writing experience, let alone paid writing experience, have no problem handwaiving that all away.

And all because he was slightly critical of the show?

 

[kyliethicc]

 

[Strategize]

Just rewatched the episode. Yeah this shit was just a masterpiece to be honest, not perfect (Bill standing out in the open like a dumbass), but a masterpiece.

Obvoiusly it's an oscar-baity ep, but man, Nick Offerman will win every guest award for this.

 

[DenchDeckard]

what I frigging loved, is even in such a serious heart warming / bitter sweet episode they still managed to have him cut into his red meat at the beginning and do the Ron Swanson "mmmmm" when he tasted it.

A clear nod and homage to the character while also clearly buildimg his Bill...then he goes full award winning performance.

What a guy, what a show.

 

[Whitecrow]

As someone who enjoys writing and creating stories, you don't seem to understand that writers are passionate about all the characters that they make.

Most of the characters have a purpose, and writers want an opportunity to tell each and every single one of their stories.

The thing about TV shows, movies, and video games is that writers often have to make compromises. The things you're seeing on screen are probably ideas Neil Duckmann created more than 10 years ago and now he finally has a chance to tell. As for this episode in particular, it was Craig who wrote the script and probably got some input from Neil Duckmann.

It's not unusual for writers to dedicate episodes to other characters. One example I can use is from Batman: The Animated Series. There's a two part episode that focuses on the story of Harvey Dent/Two-Face. The story is about batman, but they also want you to care about characters outside of the main protagonist.

People talk about bad writing, but if your story only focuses on the main protagonist(s), then you should really consider dedicating time to other characters.

I 'm not a writer, but I know some basics.

Everything you write in a story, should have some purpose. It should contribute to something. World building, character development...

The full development of this love story have 0 purpose. The same message to Joel could have been done in 15 or 20 minutes, and it would make no difference to the rest of the story.

But obviously, Druckmann and HBO couldnt miss the opportunity to make something big out of this gay relationship. I would bet my neck that if the couple were straight, there would be no filler, because
then noone would be talking about it. Straigh couples dont sell. LGTBQI+ does. That's the only reason this episode is like it is.

 

[RJMacready73]

I 'm not a writer, but I know some basics.

Everything you write in a story, should have some purpose. It should contribute to something. World building, character development...

The full development of this love story have 0 purpose. The same message to Joel could have been done in 15 or 20 minutes, and it would make no difference to the rest of the story.

But obviously, Druckmann and HBO couldnt miss the opportunity to make something big out of this gay relationship. I would bet my neck that if the couple were straight, there would be no filler, because
then noone would be talking about it. Straigh couples dont sell. LGTBQI+ does. That's the only reason this episode is like it is.

Jesus wept, most people didn't see a "gay" relationship, we saw a lonely dude meet someone and over time fall in love in a world where there is nothing but pain, the fact that all you saw was an LGTBQTIXYZ!"$&* "agenda" says more about you m8

 

[Whitecrow]

Jesus wept, most people didn't see a "gay" relationship, we saw a lonely dude meet someone and over time fall in love in a world where there is nothing but pain, the fact that all you saw was an LGTBQTIXYZ!"$&* "agenda" says more about you m8

Yeah, it tells about me that I have a functioning brain that can see the bigger picture, instead of swallowing so obvious manipulation.

 

[RoadHazard]

The Critical Drinker's take on the show thus far echoes some of the concerns I and others shared on Sunday night. I like how he specifically calls out that the most emotional, heart-wrenching episode thus far features characters that will have nothing to do with the remainder of the story. That's a problem.

I realize there have been some less than open-minded comments about the gay relationship, but those comments shouldn't detract from the critique that Episode 3 is basically just a distraction...no matter how poignant you may have found it.

Is there trouble on the horizon for the show? The Critical Drinker seems to think so.

This I get. I thought it was a great stand-alone episode, but I did feel like it didn't really add anything to the main story. It was basically a good side quest.

 

[RoadHazard]

Just rewatched the episode. Yeah this shit was just a masterpiece to be honest, not perfect (Bill standing out in the open like a dumbass), but a masterpiece.

Obvoiusly it's an oscar-baity ep, but man, Nick Offerman will win every guest award for this.

I don't think you get Oscars for TV stuff.

 

[20cent]

Yeah no thanks, I'll skip this episode.

I wasn't the most comfortable during these scenes, but that was the only episode worth watching so far.

 

[GametimeUK]

It's way more important to the story than any other sidecharacter arch. Even Tess.

Please explain to me how following this relationship between two characters that barely interact with our main cast is so important. What because Joel reads a note at the end of it?

The Last of Us had a totally different story with Bill and Frank and worked fine and would have worked fine in the context of a TV show, but I'm not necessarily bothered about the change.

Also you you're just assuming I don't like slow burning episodes. For one I said it was a great piece of self contained television. I thought the episode was good. I just don't think that payoff needed that set up. It was an excellent short film, but not a good TLOU episode for me personally.

If we get other episodes where we shift focus from the main cast and have whole episodes dedicated to Henry, Marlene, Tommy or David etc then maybe this episode won't stick out as such a departure.

 

[RaduN]

My take away from the ep and this thread is that more people need to watch more TV .

Severance was leaps and bounds ahead of anything we've seen so far. Again I like the show and the game is a top 5 for me but there are some weird ass statements being made about this ep that aren't so subtle. It was a good/great episode with some good acting...

It's definitely not the best episode of TV ever made (neither has any episode been thus far) and it definitely wasn't this extremely emotional gut wrenching jab like others are saying. It also isn't gay propaganda or the alphabet mafia coming for your kids ...it was basically a cheesy ripoff of the start of UP... Pixar already did this and did it better and more depressing

Can't we just review and critique things normally. This show has the games media shit taint all over it where you cant have a regular conversation about it without some extreme ideology (from both sides)

Severance is in a completely different league. It's "Lost" level of quality and creativity.

Tlou is certainly an above average quality show, but it hasn't yet shown anything comparable to the TV top tier series, in neither script/directing nor acting. It is by the numbers, but with little, yet welcomed, twists here and there.

While not original in any meaningful way, Ep. 3 is definity the highlight so far.

 

[John Bilbo]

The point of view of we as viewers of the series is wholly different than the point of view of Joel and especially Ellie regarding episode 3. The viewers emotional impact is different than the main characters' emotional impact. I think that is a point to be explored.

I think this was the second or third time the script was changed from the game so that Joel walks up in to a space where there was action / high risk in the game and instead in the show mostly everyone are dead and there is no threat to Joel. This way Joel misses out many dangerous events where he could have shown to be a capable survivor in this world. I hope this trend doesn't continue as in further inspection it could end up damaging the story and the integrity of the main characters.

Edit: I think Black Summer is worth checking out. The episodes are short and there are some interesting storybeats I've not found in other post-apocalyptic shows.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Part of living in a post-apocalyptic world would be to survive, not only as people, but as a species. Gay sex doesn't really accomplish either of those tasks, but at least they were happy, I suppose.

 

[DForce]

I 'm not a writer, but I know some basics.

Everything you write in a story, should have some purpose. It should contribute to something. World building, character development...

The full development of this love story have 0 purpose. The same message to Joel could have been done in 15 or 20 minutes, and it would make no difference to the rest of the story.

But obviously, Druckmann and HBO couldnt miss the opportunity to make something big out of this gay relationship. I would bet my neck that if the couple were straight, there would be no filler, because
then noone would be talking about it. Straigh couples dont sell. LGTBQI+ does. That's the only reason this episode is like it is.

It's unlikely that you're going to get the audience to emotionally connect with Bill and Frank in 15-20 minutes.

I'm watching reaction videos and seeing comments from people online saying how much this episode made them cry.

That shows people cared about the characters on screen. With that feeling of emotions being delivered, that's when you tie everything in the end and how it relates to the main character's journey.

 

[Spaceman292]

Okay, how about: does nothing to move the main narrative forward? You want a touching vignette that can stand on its own...might I recommend Black Mirror's San Junipero?

Oh, but the letter and the key...gosh, looks like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place now!

There's no rule that says every episode has to move the main narrative forwards. Most of Cowboy Bebop has nothing to do with the main story. Nothing of note happes in the The Fly episode of Breaking Bad but it's still brilliant.

 

[Ulysses 31]

It's like you're not even paying attention.

I specifically mentioned that Joel wanted to drop Ellie off with Tommy because he was afraid of losing her. Then you said it would be weird because he was planning on leaving her with Tommy. Losing means losing her in death. Now you're changing your argument so much that you're agreeing with what I said. It's ridiculous. lol If this was your original point, then you would have agreed with me from the beginning.

I see trying to dump someone you somewhat care for somewhere also as a form as losing them. You seem to be arguing with a ghosts, I only talked about weirdness when it came to someone's take on the show and not the game. I said Joel didn't care enough about Ellie since he's trying to dump her on Tommy.

You tried to paint a picture that Joel didn't care for Ellie that much because he was leaving her with Tommy.

That's still my point actually yeah when that scene with Tommy occurs.

Notice when you said "is that Joel stays with Ellie." It's clear that your original point was to say that he decides to stay with Ellie because Tommy refused. Joel was ready to hand Ellie off AFTER the attack, but she ran away and Joel and Tommy left to go find her. This wouldn't have happened if Ellie stayed unless Ellie convinced him to stay.

Yes because I'm talking about that moment where Joel is still in the state of mind where he's ready to cut off Ellie from his life. You believe if Tommy had immediately accepted to take Ellie to the Fireflies(and no bandits showing up), Joel would've made up an excuse not to hand her over to Tommy?

That's really not backed up because he showed instant regret.

The regret could be several things, what he said when he said it or the way he said it.

Ellie tells Joel he cares for him. Joel tells Ellie you're not my daughter and that they're going their separate ways. On the way back Joel showed regret. This is one scene after another. You don't show that expression on Joel's face unless you want the audience to see that he wanted to take back the words he said to Ellie. Most of what you're saying isn't backed up by the story lol

Again, you think Joel wouldn't have handed Ellie over if Tommy immediately had accepted to take Ellie to the Fireflies or if Ellie hadn't wandered off? Why would Joel even bother to ask or try to guilt trip Tommy into it if he never had intentions of dumping Ellie? Seems like you need to pay attention to that scene more.

Here's the thing: Every scene has a purpose in the game and on the TV show. The scenes with Bill were in direct connection with his character and his motivations going forward. Joel obviously cared more for Ellie after the chapter with Herny and Sam compared to earlier in the game.

Of course every scene has a purpose(usually plot advancement, character development, world building), would be strange if it didn't. Joel cared more for Ellie but not enough to keep her around when he arrived at Tommy's place.

 

[Fools idol]

Part of living in a post-apocalyptic world would be to survive, not only as people, but as a species. Gay sex doesn't really accomplish either of those tasks, but at least they were happy, I suppose.

When will it end

 

[RJMacready73]

Part of living in a post-apocalyptic world would be to survive, not only as people, but as a species. Gay sex doesn't really accomplish either of those tasks, but at least they were happy, I suppose.

the last thing anyone will wanting to be doing in a post apocalyptic world is raise fucking kids, raising kids in 2023 in a safe part of the world i still get fucking anxious without adding in uncontrollable factors like zombies and Nazi governments, finding some companionship and someone to care for and have your back would be more preferable than walking through the wasteland with a pregnant woman whining in your ear about her back

 

[Swift_Star]

Part of living in a post-apocalyptic world would be to survive, not only as people, but as a species. Gay sex doesn't really accomplish either of those tasks, but at least they were happy, I suppose.

What does this even mean? Why would they care about survival of the species in a post-apocalyptic world when they're barely getting by as is?

 

[DForce]

I see trying to dump someone you somewhat care for somewhere also as a form as losing them. You seem to be arguing with a ghosts, I only talked about weirdness when it came to someone's take on the show and not the game. I said Joel didn't care enough about Ellie since he's trying to dump her on Tommy.


That's still my point actually yeah when that scene with Tommy occurs.

Yes because I'm talking about that moment where Joel is still in the state of mind where he's ready to cut off Ellie from his life. You believe if Tommy had immediately accepted to take Ellie to the Fireflies(and no bandits showing up), Joel would've made up an excuse not to hand her over to Tommy?

The regret could be several things, what he said when he said it or the way he said it.


Again, you think Joel wouldn't have handed Ellie over if Tommy immediately had accepted to take Ellie to the Fireflies or if Ellie hadn't wandered off? Why would Joel even bother to ask or try to guilt trip Tommy into it if he never had intentions of dumping Ellie? Seems like you need to pay attention to that scene more.



Of course every scene has a purpose(usually plot advancement, character development, world building), would be strange if it didn't. Joel cared more for Ellie but not enough to keep her around when he arrived at Tommy's place.

No.

After Tess died, Joel wanted to hand over Ellie to Tommy. At this point, Joel did not care for Ellie. He started to become close to her on their way to Tommy's.

You're now saying that I think Joel wouldn't have handed over Ellie to Tommy if he accepted. Well, what did I say earlier? I said that the conversation he had with Ellie at the house CHANGED his mind because Ellie told him she cared for him and that she would be scared with someone else. Ellie pointed out in this conversation that Joel was afraid of losing her and that's why she brought up Sarah. That's why he wanted to drop her off at that point, and it wasn't because he didn't care for her.

 

[Ulysses 31]

the last thing anyone will wanting to be doing in a post apocalyptic world is raise fucking kids, raising kids in 2023 in a safe part of the world i still get fucking anxious without adding in uncontrollable factors like zombies and Nazi governments, finding some companionship and someone to care for and have your back would be more preferable than walking through the wasteland with a pregnant woman whining in your ear about her back

Well would it surprise that the poorer the people are, the more children they tend to have?

 

[ResilientBanana]

What does this even mean? Why would they care about survival of the species in a post-apocalyptic world when they're barely getting by as is?

They're barely getting by, sure. But they are. Is the goal to simply die out?

 

[RJMacready73]

They're barely getting by, sure. But they are. Is the goal to simply die out?

the goal is to survive, not raise a family

 

[ResilientBanana]

the goal is to survive, not raise a family

Ok so, kill off humanity.. slowly. Got it.

Thing is, gay or straight, I don't care. But when you have a compound for 20 or so years that's fairly safe, raising offspring would be a pretty damn good idea. They could have lived with a lesbian couple as neighbors and carried on their legacies or aide in the survival of a species, but they chose to just die off. What's the point in the compound if they're not procreating?

I'm not a monster, I understand companionship.

 

[Swift_Star]

They're barely getting by, sure. But they are. Is the goal to simply die out?

Yes? A cure doesn't exist. So, yeah, that's pretty much it. The goal is to live and die with less suffering. Why would anyone want to put a child in a world ridden with an incurable plague? And why shouldn't gay couples exist and try to get by? None of this makes any sense.
TLOU people simply want to survive.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Yes? A cure doesn't exist. So, yeah, that's pretty much it. The goal is to live and die with less suffering. Why would anyone want to put a child in a world ridden with an incurable plague? And why shouldn't gay couples exist and try to get by? None of this makes any sense.
TLOU people simply want to survive.

There's no cure at that moment. That doesn't mean their won't be one. They could technically create an anti-fungal spray like "Tough Actin' Tinactin" and spray that shit until the cans feel light. When they're out, make more and do it again. They could find an old bi-plane and simply let loose in an area and bleach or peroxide the fungus.

You're not surviving if you're not creating offspring, you're dying off.

 

[Swift_Star]

There's no cure at that moment. That doesn't mean their won't be one. They could technically create an anti-fungal spray like "Tough Actin' Tinactin" and spray that shit until the cans feel light. When they're out, make more and do it again.

You're not surviving if you're not creating offspring, you're dying off.

So? Nobody is forced to create offspring.

 

[ResilientBanana]

So? Nobody is forced to create offspring.

Fair enough.

 

[Ulysses 31]

No.

After Tess died, Joel wanted to hand over Ellie to Tommy. At this point, Joel did not care for Ellie. He started to become close to her on their way to Tommy's.

You're now saying that I think Joel wouldn't have handed over Ellie to Tommy if he accepted. Well, what did I say earlier? I said that the conversation he had with Ellie at the house CHANGED his mind because Ellie told him she cared for him and that she would be scared with someone else. Ellie pointed out in this conversation that Joel was afraid of losing her and that's why she brought up Sarah. That's why he wanted to drop her off at that point, and it wasn't because he didn't care for her.

Yes, initially Tommy refused so until Tommy changed his mind Joel was stuck with Ellie. I clarified that losing to me also means cutting off someone from your life you somewhat care for since you kept saying Joel is afraid to lose Ellie so I pointed out he's not afraid enough to cut Ellie from his life up to a certain point in the story.

And again I didn't say Joel didn't care for Ellie, he doesn't care enough for her to have her stick around him like later in the game.

 

[RJMacready73]

Ok so, kill off humanity.. slowly. Got it.

Thing is, gay or straight, I don't care. But when you have a compound for 20 or so years that's fairly safe, raising offspring would be a pretty damn good idea. They could have lived with a lesbian couple as neighbors and carried on their legacies or aide in the survival of a species, but they chose to just die off. What's the point in the compound if they're not procreating?

I'm not a monster, I understand companionship.

Do you even have kids? Anyone with kids will tell you there's no fucking way they'd want to be procreating in a zombie apocalypse, you're barely surviving with 1 mouth to feed why in fuck do you want introduce another not to mention they are utterly dependant on you for years... Nah fuck that, I'll be too busy raiding, filling out my harem and building a thunderdome to care about babies

 

[Ulysses 31]

Do you even have kids? Anyone with kids will tell you there's no fucking way they'd want to be procreating in a zombie apocalypse, you're barely surviving with 1 mouth to feed why in fuck do you want introduce another not to mention they are utterly dependant on you for years... Nah fuck that, I'll be too busy raiding, filling out my harem and building a thunderdome to care about babies

Survivors out in the wilderness will unlikely deliberately have kids but people in settlements that are self sustaining and defended enough will probably procreate.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Do you even have kids? Anyone with kids will tell you there's no fucking way they'd want to be procreating in a zombie apocalypse, you're barely surviving with 1 mouth to feed why in fuck do you want introduce another not to mention they are utterly dependant on you for years... Nah fuck that, I'll be too busy raiding, filling out my harem and building a thunderdome to care about babies

I have two, I understand the struggle, but these guys had, quite literally a safe haven and lived for a pretty long time, given their arrangements.

 

[DForce]

Yes, initially Tommy refused so until Tommy changed his mind Joel was stuck with Ellie. I clarified that losing to me also means cutting off someone from your life you somewhat care for since you kept saying Joel is afraid to lose Ellie so I pointed out he's not afraid enough to cut Ellie from his life up to a certain point.

And again I didn't say Joel didn't care for Ellie, he doesn't care enough for her to have her stick around him like later in the game.

The problem is that you're misinterpreting what's going on. Just because you're willing to let someone go, that doesn't mean you don't care for them. Joel is afraid of losing Ellie under his protection because he failed to protect Tess, Herny, and Sam.

"I trust him better than I trust myself"
"Stop with the bullshit"
"What are you so afraid of? That I'm gonna end up like Sam? I can't get infected. I can take care of myself."
"How many close calls have we had?"
"Well, we seem to be doing alright so far."
"And now you'll be doing even better with Tommy"
"I'm not her, you know."

Joel wasn't confident in his ability to protect Ellie and he was afraid as Ellie pointed out. They're driving home the point even further on the TV show because they keep bringing up the fact that Joel failed to protect Tess.

 

[Ulysses 31]

The problem is that you're misinterpreting what's going on. Just because you're willing to let someone go, that doesn't mean you don't care for them. Joel is afraid of losing Ellie under his protection because he failed to protect Tess, Herny, and Sam.

"I trust him better than I trust myself"
"Stop with the bullshit"
"What are you so afraid of? That I'm gonna end up like Sam? I can't get infected. I can take care of myself."
"How many close calls have we had?"
"Well, we seem to be doing alright so far."
"And now you'll be doing even better with Tommy"
"I'm not her, you know."

Joel wasn't confident in his ability to protect Ellie and he was afraid as Ellie pointed out. They're driving home the point even further on the TV show because they keep bringing up the fact that Joel failed to protect Tess.

Good thing I clarified with "doesn't care enough". It wouldn't be a loss to Joel otherwise if he had zero emotional care for Ellie when he tries to dump her.

Not sure if Joel has any blame in Tess getting infected, it happened off screen and as a survivor Tess has personal responsibility too when it comes to surviving outside the QZ.

 

[Interfectum]

I have two, I understand the struggle, but these guys had, quite literally a safe haven and lived for a pretty long time, given their arrangements.

They lived for a long time because they didn't invite people in nor had kids running around. They are lucky Joel didn't just shoot them both and take their shit.

 

[Jaybe]

Since I’m loving this and loved Chernobyl, I was curious what Craig Mazin did prior to Chernobyl. And it’s stuff like Hangover 2 & 3 and (edit) Scary Movie 3 & 4. It’s like somewhere around 2018 this motherfucker made a deal with the Devil to get injected with top-tier talent.

 

[Swift_Star]

Since I’m loving this and loved Chernobyl, I was curious what Craig Mazin did prior to Chernobyl. And it’s stuff like Hangover 2 & 3 and Scream 3 & 4. It’s like somewhere around 2018 this motherfucker made a deal with the Devil to get injected with top-tier talent.

It was not Scream 3 and 4 (these movies are good), but actually trash tier horror movie parodies Scary Movie 3 and 4.

 

[BadBurger]

Since I’m loving this and loved Chernobyl, I was curious what Craig Mazin did prior to Chernobyl. And it’s stuff like Hangover 2 & 3 and Scream 3 & 4. It’s like somewhere around 2018 this motherfucker made a deal with the Devil to get injected with top-tier talent.

When one is a good writer, they can shit out material lesser of their talents like it's nothing - earning some money and getting to know more contacts.

Seriously, check out the IMDB pages of some of your favorite film and TV writers. Most of them cut their teeth, so to speak, on absolute dreck.

 

[Interfectum]

Since I’m loving this and loved Chernobyl, I was curious what Craig Mazin did prior to Chernobyl. And it’s stuff like Hangover 2 & 3 and Scream 3 & 4. It’s like somewhere around 2018 this motherfucker made a deal with the Devil to get injected with top-tier talent.

Only way to get better is to fail over and over until you get it right.

 

[ViolentP]

Episode was better than the previous two episodes of "Walk & Talk".

 

[Jaybe]

It was not Scream 3 and 4 (these movies are good), but actually trash tier horror movie parodies Scary Movie 3 and 4.

Oops, edited my initial comment.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Joel wasn't confident in his ability to protect Ellie and he was afraid as Ellie pointed out. They're driving home the point even further on the TV show because they keep bringing up the fact that Joel failed to protect Tess. [/ISPOILER]

He is fine with his ability to protect Ellie, he was just afraid that he was getting too emotionally attached.

 

[DForce]

Good thing I clarified with "doesn't care enough". It wouldn't be a loss to Joel otherwise if he had zero emotional care for Ellie when he tries to dump her.

Not sure if Joel has any blame in Tess getting infected, it happened off screen and as a survivor Tess has personal responsibility too when it comes to surviving outside the QZ.

If you think they'll be better off with someone else because you're not confident in your ability to watch over them, then you care about them. Sure Joel can blame himself. He's doing it on the show.

Just wait until he meets Tommy on the show because they're clearly headed in the same direction in both shows. At this point, you're really going to see how you misinterpret a lot of things on the show.

 

[MMaRsu]

Do you even have kids? Anyone with kids will tell you there's no fucking way they'd want to be procreating in a zombie apocalypse, you're barely surviving with 1 mouth to feed why in fuck do you want introduce another not to mention they are utterly dependant on you for years... Nah fuck that, I'll be too busy raiding, filling out my harem and building a thunderdome to care about babies

Anyone who lived through Corona lockdown can attest going kinda nutso without any human contact. Id be happy as fuck to find someone I could call my partner, it would make it so much better. Regardless of if your gay or straight like Joel and Tess.

Living for 10+ years on your own will drive any man insane.

 

[Traxtech]

Incredible episode, absolutely incredible. Was nice to see more of Bill and Frank in a more positive light.

The music choices were also A+, to really send the message of love home

 

[Fools idol]

Anyone who lived through Corona lockdown can attest going kinda nutso without any human contact. Id be happy as fuck to find someone I could call my partner, it would make it so much better. Regardless of if your gay or straight like Joel and Tess.

Living for 10+ years on your own will drive any man insane.

10 years? Man I spent 10 weeks alone in a cabin when I was a tech researcher in the north pole in my 20's and I was about to lose my fucking mind. I was halucinating and talking to myself most days. Being alone is dangerous for your brain. I at one point was talking myself into walking in the minus 20 degree cold for 10 hours just to meet the research team in the town early. I woulda froze to death but was getting the heebyjeebys big time.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

10 years? Man I spent 10 weeks alone in a cabin when I was a tech researcher in the north pole in my 20's and I was about to lose my fucking mind. I was halucinating and talking to myself most days. Being alone is dangerous for your brain.

I need to go on an adventure when I read shit like this. So much to see in the world.

 

[Spaceman292]

They're barely getting by, sure. But they are. Is the goal to simply die out?

Didn't you see the end of the episode?

 

[Roni]

10 years? Man I spent 10 weeks alone in a cabin when I was a tech researcher in the north pole in my 20's and I was about to lose my fucking mind. I was halucinating and talking to myself most days. Being alone is dangerous for your brain. I at one point was talking myself into walking in the minus 20 degree cold for 10 hours just to meet the research team in the town early. I woulda froze to death but was getting the heebyjeebys big time.

The social stigma associated with talking to yourself is very detrimental. It's a great practice to sort out ideas and work through emotions. Bill does it a lot both in the game and series, I believe so for a reason.