I actually thought their performances were at least equal if not better. Being able to see Pedro’s cold, detached expression as he did what he needed to do instead of having that sequence as gameplay where you’re just seeing the back of his head made a huge difference. Pedro’s Joel came off more broken, instinctually going about murder to avoid reopening that wound, and I think I preferred it.
That's true.
19 and tiny. If she was 19 and strong, maybe, but she has the frame of a stick.Eh, I disagree.
I think that the edge that Abby and Joel have (being physically much tougher than Ellie) only has any weight if they are fighting all the opponents in the game in a boxing arena 1v1.
But as soon as you put them in a scenario where they have to clear an area with 10 enemies, and they do it usually via stealth or guns, I have 0 problem thinking that Ellie can do it just as well as these two can.
Having the 14 year old Ellie would be definitely more jarring, but she's 19 (?) in the part 2, so I think it works fine.
Shes already 19. Older than Ellie was in TLOU2.
I’m not trying to make light of the horrific David scenario, but I still think having to kill the person you love is equally as brutal. She adored Riley. Seeing her turn and having to kill her knowing that’s her in there is super traumatic. We saw how broken it made Henry when he had to do it with Sam. Enough to kill himself. And Henry was an adult. Imagine a kid going through the same thing.
If anything, I wish they'd take more liberties to expand the story, sorta like episode 3 did. They should take every opportunity to world-build.
I doubt many of the Fireflies were really trained soldiers like Joel was (former Marine, remember). He's (mostly) using a M14 rifle at close range, no body armor they have access to can stop a 7.62mm bullet that close. Possible, but maybe not plausible. As with many other TV dramas and movies.
They'll have to. It's a pretty simple "revenge is bad" story.
You just completely ignored everything and turned to Joel. lol
Majority? It's three flashbacks in a 30 hour campaign.
Joel is traveling across the country fighting grown men and infected with Ellie.
It's a bit disingenuous to describe it like that. I dunno on what difficulty you played but on hard and above, Ellie can't charge head on into every fight and you have to use stealth and wait for the right time to attack to get through those encounters. In that sense it's not so over the top as you make it seem to be.
She can barely charge at anyone on the difficulty setting.
The finale was a good way of showing his passion for his pseudo daughter. He activated his dad strength, which is equal to the terminator, as we know.
Yes, one by one and with good use of stealth and her surroundings. If she gets in a fatal neck stab as her first attack then it doesn't matter much that she's smaller and weaker. So with that in mind it's not so over the top that Ellie killed multiple grown men.
You don't need to use stealth. You can use objects, a knife, and a gun to take out most or even all of his men during the encounter.
The Abby actress, whoever that will be, better delete his twitter.
I'm not sure what you want to convey. The part in the first game with Ellie was stupid too, but it was more like a shooting gallery.
It could just mean that they wont be killing Joel in the first episode. It would result in a huge drop in viewership especially since hes the main box office draw. It will probably be towards the end or mid way through season 2.
Depends on the difficulty you're playing. I don't recall there being enough ammo to get through those encounters with only a gun on hard and above(maybe with headshots only?) and like you said, she uses a knife and not her bare fists.
Actually, I'm not. The stealthing around and sneak attacks mitigate Ellie's need for physical strength and tip the scales in her favor.
It's very unlikely any young teen would survive those odds but we get to play out those sections and see how someone like Ellie does survive those situations. On hard and above it does happen in more believable way without it becoming reminiscent of 80's action movies.
You can play aggressively even on the highest difficulty setting if you know how the AI works. So this difficulty setting excuse will not work.
You use the term weaker. Weaker means her physical capabilities. That's not nearly as relevant because Ellie barely uses any strength to take down her enemies.
Just change out PLAYER to VIEWER. I hated Abby at the beginning and then started to wonder who I really sided with by the end of the game. If they can create the same emotional rollercoaster for TV then season 2 could work really well.
The typical player doesn't strike me as knowing the ins and outs of the encounters and levels so the difficulty does have great influence on the playstyle.
Because of her fighting tactics. With those tactics in mind Ellie taking out multiple grown men sounds more believable than your initial description I replied to.
Guess you have an other understanding of over the top, sounds to me like you use it as if it's outrageous or something when to me when seeing how she gets through the encounters on hard and above it's not.
The unrealistic part is the quick recovering from wounds but if a player can get through those set pieces largely unscathed by playing smart and patiently it's not so "over the top".
The issue isn’t her age, it’s how she looks. Sorry, but it’s true, she looks too young regardless of how they dress her up. She is a baby face actress.
Every game is designed for entertainment purposes. Both games try to be realistic and grounded, but they are writing stuff for Ellie that is reaching in the second game because of the physicality (and psychology). It's a flaw. It's not because they are wilfully writing over-the-top situations.It's like you're missing the entire point of your own argument.
First you tell me that TLOU2 is NOT over the top and then you proceed to tell me how it's unrealistic for a small girl to take out a group of grown men by herself.
Do you see how that contradicts your own argument?
Ellie is taking out a group of men by herself because It's over-the-top and unrealistic. Ellie cannot do this in TLOU1 or 2 in a realistic setting. This means the gameplay was designed for entertainment purposes and not to be taken as totally realistic.
How she dresses definitely plays a role, as will whatever makeup they do on her (in the Hollywood sense, not that they will glam her up in an apocalypse).
As I said before, Ellie doesn't use her physical strength to take down enemies. She uses her knife. Abby is the one who uses her bare hands and brute strength. It's more believable for a small frail woman to take down a man with a deadly weapon. The over-the-top element in the game is how one person can take down a group of people.
You’re missing my point. When someone has a baby face they will be always seen as ‘younger’ than they are regardless of how you dress them up. Height and body build also plays a factor in this. Good example: The actress that played Arya Stark in GoT at 18.
It doesn't matter if the player knows the ins and outs, what matters is what you're able to do in the game. The typical player will likely play on an easy difficulty setting and blast his way through the game.
Yeah it was a tape recording in the university in Colorado.