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Hearthstone |OT| Why tap cards when you can roll need [Naxx final wing out now]
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The Incredible Muffin
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I believe its just aestatics. Golden frame, and animated illustrations. If you dont care for that, turn them into dust
If you have a full golden deck, you get a golden coin
You're losing swag by dusting it.
This right here. Have never dusted a golden. Will never dust a golden. Too friggin cool.
Rocking golden Tirion just for golden Ashbringer.
I get frustrated more broadly; when someone has 2x the card they need within the first, say, 15 cards of the game.
You play a big minion, it gets polymorphed. But you planned for this, because you're 11 cards in, it seemed likely. So the next turn you play your other big creature, and then he has another polymorph. Or, alternatively, you have a nice board against a paladin, but he equality/pyros it. But you had a contingency, and play 3 more creatures the next turn, only to have him equality/consecrate you.
I can play around some cards, but I can't play around you having every card you need within the first 13 cards. Also, you didn't add me.
ShinNL
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I can live through having double poly or double hex. But what I really think is the most bullshit thing ever is when I see buzzard / hyena + UTH twice in the first 11 cards. You get a good starts to force them to do it early with only 4 mana (no possibility for timber) only to see it right away the next turn.
Gormless Noodle
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Yeah, a LOT more dust, that's all the practical use they have really.
NeptunePirate
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Awesome, thank you for the advice. I really appreciate it.
RumblingRosco
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I added him first!
I guess swag be dammed then
ShinNL
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Someone share me a deck that consistently owns Hunters. I'm getting sick of their broken bullshit. And please no decks that end up just dying slowly and thus not being counters at all. Nor decks that require specifically 3 certain cards in an opening hand because that's not gonna happen. When people can win even though they play random Arcane Golems mid-game then you know this shit is not balanced.
RPGCrazied
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So ranked doesn't keep how much you win or lose? So if I lose a game, it wont stay on my record. I'll just never move up on the next rank? I guess if you lose enough you can lose rank?
greendomo's ghost
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Thanks, will give this a shot!
Mobius and pet octopus
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Zoo warlock deck is just a board control deck with a low mana curve.
The Black Knight as well
Mobius and pet octopus
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I don't see leeroy as being a legendary used for all classes. I don't use him in druid since his role is filled by force of nature more often than not.
He is best in combo decks like rogue/shaman/hunter but still pretty good for reach in other decks, but perhaps not the most optimal tbh. The +2 damage over the normal mana curve for charge isn't that killer that you cannot use a wolfrider or arcane golem in its place for less liability.
He is best in combo decks like rogue/shaman/hunter but still pretty good for reach in other decks, but perhaps not the most optimal tbh. The +2 damage over the normal mana curve for charge isn't that killer that you cannot use a wolfrider or arcane golem in its place for less liability.
ShinNL
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Getting sick of hunters -> make a Paladin deck with only taunts + heals.
So far faced: Giants Priests, Giants Paladin.
This game...
Edit: 3rd game, Giants Warlock. FML, instant concede, don't even wanna bother with this nonsense.
4th game, Priest, instant concede on card selection.
5th game, finally a freaking Hunter.
Result: Hell yeah, I won! Feels gooooood to own those stupid to the face Hunters! This deck sucks against all other decks but damn was it worth ruin a Hunter's day. Oh yeah, this player is gonna lose against every matchup just to ruin the day of every Hunter from now on until they nerf UTH.
So far faced: Giants Priests, Giants Paladin.
This game...
Edit: 3rd game, Giants Warlock. FML, instant concede, don't even wanna bother with this nonsense.
4th game, Priest, instant concede on card selection.
5th game, finally a freaking Hunter.
Result: Hell yeah, I won! Feels gooooood to own those stupid to the face Hunters! This deck sucks against all other decks but damn was it worth ruin a Hunter's day. Oh yeah, this player is gonna lose against every matchup just to ruin the day of every Hunter from now on until they nerf UTH.
Minsc
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Druid Taunt decks do pretty well, whole bunch of big huge creatures (don't even bother at all with 1,2, or 3 cost creatures), 3/5 taunt, 4/6 taunt, 8/8 taunt, 5/10 taunt, etc. Throw in 1 or 2 of the 8-life heals, all the damage spells you have, a bunch of the wild growth/gain 2 mana cystals or draw 3 cards, and a few end game legendaries (rag, ysera, etc), and you should almost never lose to hunter UTH.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Sounds a bit like standard druid control
Although I feel like early board presence beats hunters the most. You need to play around a few cards like multishot as best as possible though. Then only drop beefier minions that cannot be cleared by UTH/wolf combo easily.
ShinNL
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Yeah, I think the key thing here is heal. Most of my decks run some taunts already, but it's that in combination with healing that makes it work. I hope they add more neutral Hero-only healing because it's really needed in this meta (other player is basically only paying super inefficient cards, with it only being effective because there's only 30 active heath). I wonder why Priestess of Elune is so crap for it's cost though.
How early? This is what I don't get. Super early then you have 2/1 drops and stuff like that, which suck because you'll just get UTH'd. 3/2 trade inefficiently vs 2/1 and 3/1 chargers. Yeti then? But that's not early.. and a perfect Deadly Shot / Hunter's mark target. And still inefficient with trading because you're still getting damage.Sounds a bit like standard druid control
Although I feel like early board presence beats hunters the most. You need to play around a few cards like multishot as best as possible though. Then only drop beefier minions that cannot be cleared by UTH/wolf combo easily.
If you play taunts, the Hunter can answer that with an owl, hunter's mark, kill command or explosive shot (last one is somewhat rare).
As for dropping beefier minions that cannot be cleared: hahaha. Like the Hunter is gonna bother clearing... -_- face face face all day.
Mobius and pet octopus
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And people said ragnaros would be too good vs druid now that tinkmaster is out of the picture
I never relied on that card in the first place
His rag ended up hitting thalnos with rag, which was a shame since I pulled a swipe the next turn. But between swipe and savage roar, I cleared his taunt wall (he played like sunfury protector and DOA thinking he'd be safe... lol nope). Then he conceded the round I was going to finish him off.
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Also, like 3 of my matches today had ragnaros. I lost once vs paladin. Beat a shaman with him and that priest. The paladin was just too far ahead and kept hitting face with his rag, in other words pretty good luck for him. And I could have won at any time if I pulled force of nature... in hindsight I probably should have savage roar'd earlier if I had the opportunity to. I forget the details.
I never relied on that card in the first place
His rag ended up hitting thalnos with rag, which was a shame since I pulled a swipe the next turn. But between swipe and savage roar, I cleared his taunt wall (he played like sunfury protector and DOA thinking he'd be safe... lol nope). Then he conceded the round I was going to finish him off.
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Also, like 3 of my matches today had ragnaros. I lost once vs paladin. Beat a shaman with him and that priest. The paladin was just too far ahead and kept hitting face with his rag, in other words pretty good luck for him. And I could have won at any time if I pulled force of nature... in hindsight I probably should have savage roar'd earlier if I had the opportunity to. I forget the details.
Multishot? I honestly have no idea what Hunter decks you guys must be facing then :x
My experience with them as Control Warrior is basically Charge-heavy Hunters which you just play card negative / Health positive against (e.g., Slam to kill a random charger for no draw, Hero Power + Shield Slam to kill a Leper Gnome) or the Trap heavy Hunter where I stall out and net as much card advantage as I can with a limited board (e.g., suicide stuff into Explosive Trap procs to remove a minion but have Armorsmith / Acolyte played to gain +2 HP / +1 card, keep my board to 1 minion as often as possible). A lot of the former comes down to how much Health I can keep up before I force them to an empty hand while the latter is can I sneak damage in early enough to rely on Ragnaros / Grommash to pull the win out in 2-3 turns late game.
Of course, I'm playing what's probably the most expensive deck in the format (+3200 Dust if I added Sylvanas and Geddon to it) so pay2win scrub I guess.
My experience with them as Control Warrior is basically Charge-heavy Hunters which you just play card negative / Health positive against (e.g., Slam to kill a random charger for no draw, Hero Power + Shield Slam to kill a Leper Gnome) or the Trap heavy Hunter where I stall out and net as much card advantage as I can with a limited board (e.g., suicide stuff into Explosive Trap procs to remove a minion but have Armorsmith / Acolyte played to gain +2 HP / +1 card, keep my board to 1 minion as often as possible). A lot of the former comes down to how much Health I can keep up before I force them to an empty hand while the latter is can I sneak damage in early enough to rely on Ragnaros / Grommash to pull the win out in 2-3 turns late game.
Of course, I'm playing what's probably the most expensive deck in the format (+3200 Dust if I added Sylvanas and Geddon to it) so pay2win scrub I guess.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Well if you're facing a face rush hunter, then you probably don't have to worry about multishot
But if it is a more midrange deck, multishot can pretty much win the game if it takes out 2 minions.
I've seen more midrange decks than face rush decks pretty much ever since UTH got buffed. So I worry about a high value multishot on turn 4 but then almost forget about it a turn or two after.
Well, generally speaking you don't have to worry about trading efficiently. It really depends on your hand or deck at that moment. Your goal is to basically stall by putting board pressure into making them trade for your minions instead of hitting your face each turn and then punishing them for it if they don't trade.
When I say early I am talking about turns 1-4. I try to drop as many minions as possible. These mainly consist of harvest golems, si7 agents, and yetis. The other small drop I have in my deck is loot hoarder which is a decent turn 2 drop, but afterwards is a liability because of UTH. Still I probably will play that anyway to get maximum mana efficiency earlier than turn 5.
Turn 5 is the first turn they can do their best combo, assuming they have all 3 cards which is not likely but still possible. Buzzard + wolf + uth.
What I mainly try to accomplish is a scenario where they don't get maximum value out of UTH. I'll even backstab my own loothoarder to do this. I try to kill off my own minions in trades rather than try to get bigger value out of a bigger minion like the yeti so that they cannot clear my board easily with UTH. So lets say I have a 4/5 and a 2/3 and they have a 3/1. Instead of using something like shiv or the 4/5 to kill the 3/1, I'll use the 2/3 to kill it off. This reduces the value of UTH imo, not only because there is 1 less hound to deal with, but because 1 hound will not kill my yeti when buffed with the wolf's +1 attack.
It really comes down to a numbers game with UTH. I worry least about it in the early rounds because that is when it has the least amount of impact (can't buzzard + wolf + uth til turn 5). And I worry about it least when I am nearing lethal on my opponent. "Worry" may be misleading. But essentially based on the cards they play I assume they have at least one UTH + wolf. I try to get my board in shape to get lethal within a turn or 2, just from the board, while keeping myself out of lethal range (calculating the potential UTH damage). It can be tough if they haven't played a single UTH or wolf yet, but if that is the case I am probably far up in HP anyway. Usually I'll have a DOA or senjin (depending on the deck) so I don't have to worry about being finished off by UTH.
I'm probably explaining myself poorly after all. I think it is all about finding that right "safe zone" where UTH doesn't completely wreck you. That safe zone is a moving target based on your hp, his hp, board state, and your hand and how many cards he has.
BurnOutBrighter
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Just started this weekend. Perfect game to play on laptop while watching the news. It's my first ever card game so I'm still learning all the lingo about control decks etc.
Haven't spend a cent yet so I'm currently levelling up my classes. I like the Shaman, my strategy with him is spam murlocs and raid leaders, then buff with battlecry and go full ham. Then a mage comes along and firestorms them all
If I don't spend any money, the only way to get gold is to complete quests, is that right?
Haven't spend a cent yet so I'm currently levelling up my classes. I like the Shaman, my strategy with him is spam murlocs and raid leaders, then buff with battlecry and go full ham. Then a mage comes along and firestorms them all
If I don't spend any money, the only way to get gold is to complete quests, is that right?
Mobius and pet octopus
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Well you also earn 10 gold every 3 wins, they don't have to be consecutive wins either.
The best way to earn gold is to play arena well. First learn the game basics very well. Then learn how to play arena very well which is done mostly by first learning how to draft well.
After you become good at arena, you can do arena infinitely since you will earn more gold than you spend to join (also helps doing dailies in case you have a bad run or two). Save up all the gold and just keep doing arenas and opening the free packs you get.
Never said anything about the other classes. That's why I specified the match-up I'm most familiar with. One of the reasons I'm running so much Warrior is due to how I think it fares against every single aggro variant.
Though, the match-up isn't as cut-and-dry as "hero power stops their hero power, hooray." It is what lets you stall though you still need to play around their drops in the best possible way. Most the early game drops I have are pretty much perfectly suited to deal with most the early game threats in this match-up.
Well if you're facing a face rush hunter, then you probably don't have to worry about multishot
But if it is a more midrange deck, multishot can pretty much win the game if it takes out 2 minions.
I've seen more midrange decks than face rush decks pretty much ever since UTH got buffed. So I worry about a high value multishot on turn 4 but then almost forget about it a turn or two after.
I don't even think there's all that many pure rush-to-the-face Hunter variants around anymore. They're more a Combo Aggro deck that seeks to end the game in the middle turns when they can get their full combo online. Really, if anything, it's a lot like Miracle Rogue except with earlier drops to make up for their lower damage combo.
But ... even the actual midrange or anti-Control Hunters I've seen don't use Multishot. Granted, I rarely give Multishot opportunities but I don't think I've seen it a single time.
Quests, winning 3 games in casual or ranked gives 10 gold, and going above 7 wins in the arena earns you gold.
partyphone
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this IEM thing is pretty hard to watch. can't wait for big tourneys that aren't invite only.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Yeah pretty much. I think midrange is going growing in popularity though. I consider highmane a pretty midrange card. The tundra rhino as well. I think multishot fits into that deck pretty well, I used to run it some before the UTH buff so I'd imagine it is much stronger now. Multishot also really sets up well for trap usage.
The bow/trap/uth/charge decks are probably the most common atm though.
man I played a warrior control that just ran me into the ground with legendaries, I was so sad to lose to that. He played Rag, into Baron Geddon, into Leeroy into Grommash, into Deathwing, into Alexstraza. The sad thing was I was one damage way from lethal before he killed me. I basically secured the game when he had one card in hand, and then he played Deathwing (which I rarely see in warrior control) and then I had already used my BGH against his Grommash. Maybe I should just run two big game hunters, just to beat handlock and warrior control!
oh well, I suppose that's how control vs control usually plays out.
oh well, I suppose that's how control vs control usually plays out.
Deck list? Does it compare to mine a few pages back at all?
Yup, I don't care about golden cards. If I have a normal version of the card I dust the gold one because its worth more.
Diprosalic
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bought 20 packs an no legendary and only 1 epic.
made a new account and got a legendary on my first pack.
fuck.
made a new account and got a legendary on my first pack.
fuck.
RPGCrazied
Member
Got to rank 23, really loving this rogue deck. Have yet to get a legendary card though. I'm not spending a dime, so that might be why its taking so long.
evilpigking
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That feel of turning around a match.
Me : 1 hp Sunfury Protector (3/4) out. and Sword of Justice equipped.
Rogue: 25 hp, Cobra, Jungle Panther, and perdition's blade.
Remember rogue's don't burn all your spells on early trash!
Me : 1 hp Sunfury Protector (3/4) out. and Sword of Justice equipped.
Rogue: 25 hp, Cobra, Jungle Panther, and perdition's blade.
Remember rogue's don't burn all your spells on early trash!
Mobius and pet octopus
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It is like people don't even think about defender of argus or sunfury protector being capable of turning a match in an instant. Although sometimes, rarely, this happens even if you prepare for it. Maybe he was hoping he'd top deck a si7 agent, or several other ways he could have finished you off... He probably did dig himself into the hole though.
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