Minsc
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At rank 5 it's a golden epic which is the same as getting 10 free packs (if you have bad luck and get 40 dust per pack). Plus a few other things on top of that.
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Hearthstone |OT4| The warsong has ended, please patron other decks
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At rank 5 it's a golden epic which is the same as getting 10 free packs (if you have bad luck and get 40 dust per pack). Plus a few other things on top of that.
Haunted
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There is an argument to be made for bad cards with RNG (in the mechanics themselves, not the classic luck of the draw present in every card game) being so prevalent in Hearthstone, I can see the value of bad cards existing in order to balance out cards that use these random mechanics. Magma Rager helps balance Unstable Portal, Majordomo does the same for Sneed's Old Shredder etc.
I do think strict power creep for cards you are encouraged to buy compared to the basic cards everyone earns at the start is bad.
I do think strict power creep for cards you are encouraged to buy compared to the basic cards everyone earns at the start is bad.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I did not miss your point. I addressed one thing you said. I think it is silly to think this is anywhere near impactful for new players.
I see you've chosen to regurgitate the rest of the post, so I'll address a bit more this time.
Why would it be bad if ice rager found a place in constructed play? That is kind of the point of putting new cards in the game. Maybe 5/2 is good enough for a specific deck. Maybe not. Who cares if it looks bad for blizzard. I don't even see how it looks bad for them to release a card that actually is worth playing.
I'm almost absolutely certain they've said they would release new stronger cards before buffing old cards. So this doesn't shit on their old statements at all.
I'm pretty sure they are okay with booty bay being a bad card, the same way brode admitted war golem is a bad card.
You just gave a potential reason. They don't want old players coming back and being confused at least fits this narrative. Seeing ice rager they will understand it is a new card with stats to be learned whereas if they see magma rager at 5/2 they might be confused.
Eh? Many streamers? I'm seeing conversations about patron warrior, not silly concerns over power creep because two of the worst cards in the game are outclassed by other cards (always have been, always will be).
I think worrying about how Blizzard looks because they released cards that might actually see play is just silly.
Professor Lich
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Yeah, I thought it was multiple cards instead of increased rarity, which works out better. If you are hitting high ranks every month it'll help get you cards you do want.
Overall though, I was just talking stress. A golden epic might not be worth breaking your keyboard.
Power creep is stupid but probably inevitable in card games, because it's the easiest way to make people buy new product.
Easy as that. The fact that blizzard has made such shameful upgrades of old cards this soon in the life of the game scream means that they're lazy fucks who can't think of functional new cards without simply improving old ones at best and cold cash-grabbers who are willing to print 5/5 yetis an year down the line to make people buy packs at worst.
Also, since it's digital with no rotating format, it'd be nice if they allowed basic cards to be represntative of the power level of the cards so that new players don't get trounced by newer ones which simply have their cards but better because p2win and all that shit.
Easy as that. The fact that blizzard has made such shameful upgrades of old cards this soon in the life of the game scream means that they're lazy fucks who can't think of functional new cards without simply improving old ones at best and cold cash-grabbers who are willing to print 5/5 yetis an year down the line to make people buy packs at worst.
Also, since it's digital with no rotating format, it'd be nice if they allowed basic cards to be represntative of the power level of the cards so that new players don't get trounced by newer ones which simply have their cards but better because p2win and all that shit.
Ah yes, the old confused player base. Can only handle 9 deck slots and nerfing/buffing card makes them panic.
I do mostly agree with you mob-mob.
FiveSix4Three
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Has it been confirmed that you will be guaranteed golden epic @ rank 5?
If so, is there a chance for a golden legendary instead?
MetroidPrimeRib
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Mind Vision, Thoughsteal, Farsight, Nefarian etc all had them before, think they just added the rest in.
the new board is awesome
Yeah surprised to see new board is available in play already !!!
I'm assuming it's 'epic or better' just like how a pack guarantees you 1 rare or better.
I don't think so. My guess is simply:
Rank 15: 1 golden common, some dust, cardback
Rank 10: 1 golden rare, some more dust, cardback
Rank 5: 1 golden epic, even more dust, cardback
And then the amount of dust scaling in between.
Edit: Nevermind.
That makes sense, too. Would be nice if there was still a small (<5%) chance to get one, but I see how they don't wanna hand out legendaries to thousands of players every month. That's 1600 dust.
Guys, it's probably 3 random golden cards ( with the regular rarity drop rates ) and a few dust. I don't see blizzard giving away 500+ dust every month, there is no way that thing is a guaranteed golden epic.
If there is a clarification from the devs available feel free to correct me.
If there is a clarification from the devs available feel free to correct me.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I would hazard a guess that you are close to the mark. 500 dust just for hitting rank 5 being common seems pretty far fetched. I'm sure we'll be seeing more than a couple legend/rank 1s with legends though, cause people love to post those big reward packs.
Rank 15, 1 random gold card, some dust
Rank 10, 2 random gold cards, some dust
Rank 5, 3 random gold cards, some dust
Would be surprised if you had guaranteed gold epics. That stuff is rarer than legendaries in packs.
First month, I'm sure people are going to get to Rank 5 and then complain vocally in this thread that they only got 3 gold commons.
Rank 10, 2 random gold cards, some dust
Rank 5, 3 random gold cards, some dust
Would be surprised if you had guaranteed gold epics. That stuff is rarer than legendaries in packs.
First month, I'm sure people are going to get to Rank 5 and then complain vocally in this thread that they only got 3 gold commons.
toddhunter
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Magma rager is still better than ice rager. When you play it, it generates card advantage by making the remainder of your deck stronger.
Meanwhile fuck getting to rank 5 before TGT comes out. Cycling between zoo, ebola and face hunter is fun for nobody.
Say what you want about power creep, it makes no difference when the community just plays the lamest shit anyway.
What do these people even want dust for? To craft another fucking haunted creeper to run in the deck they downloaded?
Meanwhile fuck getting to rank 5 before TGT comes out. Cycling between zoo, ebola and face hunter is fun for nobody.
Say what you want about power creep, it makes no difference when the community just plays the lamest shit anyway.
What do these people even want dust for? To craft another fucking haunted creeper to run in the deck they downloaded?
If I don't get my gold Epic then you are damn right there will be complaints by me!
Almost as much as my complaints about the Evil Heckler/Rager non sense.
I wasn't going to respond to the post because I am pretty much done complaining about this whole issue but I would just say that I put out the whole "confusing returning players" thing as a pure bait with sarcasm.
The same way I think that Blizzard stating that adding more deck slots is confusing to players is utter non sense. It should be noted that especially after this Evil Heckler/Rager non sense... I find 90% of what Blizzard said about buffing old cards to be total non sense and anyone bringing up some of those excuses would be instantly ignored by me.
I can try to hit 15, miracle if I actually get there with this deck.
and thanks for the suggestions, I read that the best value you could get out of your $$ was to get adventures but I didn't plan to spend money on this. I suppose I could save for some wings in Naxx, then get some classic packs and do occasional arena runs.
Not their fault you made an assumption about what that picture really meant.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
This
Throw a dog a bone, the dog complains it ain't big enough. Just like people complaining how bad their 12 win rewards were.
the new board is awesome
The new board almost makes up for the fact that Blizzard has set a bad precedent with releasing Evil Heckler and Ice Rager. Where's the effort?
The game probably would have been better off if these two cards were never printed, especially when they could have released another pirate or beast or anything else to help push the things that they are introducing with this expansion. I really hope that they're not running out of ideas.
see, I love shit like this but you shouldn't have to manually track your own stats.
I dont know why they dont track stats automatically whether in-game or on their website.
If golden epic is not guaranteed, it's just not worth the effort unless you're trying to get a full golden collection.
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On my f2p account I got past rank 5 very easily with face paly a long time ago.
On my main account, I'm close with my tempo mage but damn the games are just too close. It's just luck that I'm winning still. Rank 7 it's all legend card backs and gold avatars on EU. lol These ranks used to be so easy before. I probably just make face paly here but it's going to cost me some dust I'd rather avoid, (for coghammer)
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On my f2p account I got past rank 5 very easily with face paly a long time ago.
On my main account, I'm close with my tempo mage but damn the games are just too close. It's just luck that I'm winning still. Rank 7 it's all legend card backs and gold avatars on EU. lol These ranks used to be so easy before. I probably just make face paly here but it's going to cost me some dust I'd rather avoid, (for coghammer)
TetraxShards
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Played a game where a Mage got Hemet from Unstable Portal and actually managed to kill a beast with it.
I've seen it all now.
I've seen it all now.
Kotetsu534
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To be honest I don't mind having two redundant cards in the basic set. They were laughably bad and everyone knew it. If you saw a Magma Rager or Booty Bay Bodyguard in Arena you immediately knew your opponent was either a newbie or had been faced with a sad set of picks. I laughed when I saw their upgrades.
I'm much more sympathetic to arguments about Dr. Boom being too strong (and being a Legendary, essentially requiring new players to grind for him) or about Arena Warriors being intentionally left in a pathetically weak state.
I'm much more sympathetic to arguments about Dr. Boom being too strong (and being a Legendary, essentially requiring new players to grind for him) or about Arena Warriors being intentionally left in a pathetically weak state.
give or take
that's the rewards for rank 17 which should be same as rank <=20 from the data mined info we got. (3 star ranks)
Rank 15, is a 4 star rank all the way to 10 (11-15) these are getting another tier of rewards. I'd guess they're getting two cards instead. Doesn't look like they're giving gold, just dust and cards.
Now rank 10-6 that are 5 starts have another tier and rank 5 and lower that don't have win streak bonus the highest tier. I'd hope that 10-6 get a golden rare and 5 and better get a golden epic along with 2 golden commons that other ranks get.
That would be pretty good to me and lines up with their images.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
New daily quests with the new patch.
Wait, do we have a list of all the new quests somewhere?
Getting 3 Shaman quests in a row even after rerolling is the worst torture I've ever have endured. The best deck I can build is the shitty Sheng Naxx one and as much as I try to improve it, it's impossible to win a single match with it. I think I'll just straight up give up on getting any gold until I can reroll for better quests because this just isn't any fun.
Vanillalite
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You have to factor in 3 wins in constructed gives you 10 gold.
I have no idea. I just got the new quest now right after midnight.
edit: according to reddit...
The next brawl is the TGT preview and I think we're not going to be able to choose our class, so it's a better investment to just reroll them.
Minsc
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I don't know how accurate it is, but there's a thread on reddit where someone claims people have extrapolated the rewards (using similar methods to how people have been able to open TGT packs - dunno if that is BS as well).
I wonder if the golden epics (and rares/commons) are from the entire pool of cards... I suppose so. Would be best that way anyway.
That lines up with I assumed and it's pretty good to me. Definitely worthwhile to climb then. Looks like if you didn't play the game this month and just started climbing now you could get the best deal around :\
New daily quests with the new patch.
Ew. I like the win with one of two classes because not everyone has a deck for every class :/ Lame. I'll almost always re-roll for bad classes.
Professor Lich
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Being a long time WoW player, my thoughts on Ice Rager and Evil Heckler are that they are tests/expirmenents. What I mean is, Magma Rager and BBB are bad cards and no one uses them, so maybe the thought is, "We balanced these cards wrong. Lets test to see if we can improve them without making them too strong."
So now we have buffed versions of them. Sure they're new cards but that follows their idea of not wanting to change cards. Honestly I doubt these new guys will be used either.
So now we have buffed versions of them. Sure they're new cards but that follows their idea of not wanting to change cards. Honestly I doubt these new guys will be used either.
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