LordOfChaos
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"Hello Again" Apple holding mac-centric media event October 27th 10am PST
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Sapiens
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Apple will realize the error of their ways and allow us upgrade the ram on the Mac mini on our own.
And have a Quad core option again. And maybe something that isn't an intel gpu garbage.
While my 2012 mini is running amazingly still, I look forward to being able to upgrade it with something sane in the future.
And have a Quad core option again. And maybe something that isn't an intel gpu garbage.
While my 2012 mini is running amazingly still, I look forward to being able to upgrade it with something sane in the future.
Zombie James
Banned
Yeah, the Air makes zero sense with the new MacBook around. The Air is dead.
An updated RMacBook would be nice though.
That is the MacBook tho
Zeyphersan
Banned
The Air is dead, long live the Air
The Air is still a more capable MacBook, and it's still lighter than the rMBP (and I'd be surprised if it wasn't marginally lighter than the updated ones.)
Doesn't make sense to get rid of it until the Retina MacBook can subsume the MBA's role as the low-end, and that took years for the original MacBook Air to do. I was surprised they updated the MacBook Airs instead of just dropping them down in price and SKUs, but I guess it just means that the MacBook replacing the Air might take place over a similarly long period.
Does anybody else feel that using the "Hello again" line means that they better have something big planned. This can't just be "oh we finally refreshed our computer hardware." I feel like it will be incredibly disappointing if this is just a hardware refresh. This refresh needs to be the same kind of change from MBP to rMBP.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
That's what I hope, but nothing from Apple has been "revolutionary" in years. All product releases now feel more like refinements and better versions to what is already on the market, but nothing groundbreaking.
Wanda/Wander
Member
I mean tech always constantly advances...
Zeyphersan
Banned
I've been sitting on it for over a year, just for this moment. I cannot wait
Also I totally knew you used to work for Apple in some capacity. Thanks for that iTunes link for shitty-ass laptops many months ago
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
Does the iPhone wallpaper in the logo mean anything? Oh I miss the days of analysing the invite pics.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's a callback to the original Mac ad.
Who can write that well with a mouse?
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I'm surprised we haven't had ANY leaks other than the OLED strip and chassis from many, many months ago. Truth is, can't even be sure how accurate they were considering the gap from then until now.
I mean, Apple hasn't kept out leaks in a while.
I'm in the camp that expects to be woefully disappointed. I mean, I use the SD card slot in my rMBP almost every other day. I have two USB-A drives plugged in almost every day. I use flash drives for work and backup constantly. Don't get me wrong, I ADORE the 1-port rMB, but that's because it's catering to a different use case. But a ~$2600 Pro machine should be different and more feature rich. I don't want to work backwards.
And the thing is, all would be right if it got Kaby Lake and a good, dedicated GPU as a BTO option. But knowing Apple, they'll give us the Skylake processor everyone has been using for half a year and through in a 950M that's less than what the XPS15 has had for a year and a half.
I dunno... but there's a strong part of me that REALLY wants to be wrong. I'd love to see them knock it out of the park with a monumental change. But, I know we'll get thinner with less features and underwhelming specs.
I mean, Apple hasn't kept out leaks in a while.
I'm in the camp that expects to be woefully disappointed. I mean, I use the SD card slot in my rMBP almost every other day. I have two USB-A drives plugged in almost every day. I use flash drives for work and backup constantly. Don't get me wrong, I ADORE the 1-port rMB, but that's because it's catering to a different use case. But a ~$2600 Pro machine should be different and more feature rich. I don't want to work backwards.
And the thing is, all would be right if it got Kaby Lake and a good, dedicated GPU as a BTO option. But knowing Apple, they'll give us the Skylake processor everyone has been using for half a year and through in a 950M that's less than what the XPS15 has had for a year and a half.
I dunno... but there's a strong part of me that REALLY wants to be wrong. I'd love to see them knock it out of the park with a monumental change. But, I know we'll get thinner with less features and underwhelming specs.
Where are they going to get 45W Kaby Lake chips?
Any of you think the WSJ rumor has some merit? It's talking about possible E-ink keyboard keys in the 2018 macbook line. Sounds a bit too gimmicky for my tastes.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/its-goo...is-as-apple-redesigns-the-keyboard-1476869408
http://www.wsj.com/articles/its-goo...is-as-apple-redesigns-the-keyboard-1476869408
I really like it. It's a natural evolution of the keyboard, while still retaining the classic haptics (not going full Yoga Book). It'll also allow them to create a worldwide SKU - all localisation can be done in software.
But I'd say 2018 at the earliest, it won't be in the next Macbook refresh (or possibly the one after). First they'll roll-out the Magic Toolbar in the Pros, which will introduce programmable keys into apps, then they can move the technology into the actual keyboard via EINK - so they don't have to fit the additional toolbar into smaller devices.
Also, shout out to the Optimus Maximus for getting the ball rolling with a proof of concept almost 10 years ago.
Leona Lewis
Banned
The rumored OLED strip on next week's Pro models shows that Apple is going beyond merely exploring the possibilities of context-sensitive inputs.
All this shit pales in comparison to just making the damn screen touch-enabled, though. I know it steps on the iPad's toes, but damn if there aren't situations where I wish I could just finger ha.
Ha , I was about to post this after Hoo-doo posted the rumour.
I think it's great, but in my experience (especially Razer keyboards), poor software can lead to a lot of annoyance for the end user when keys do not respond or do not work in the manner intended.
Of course, Apple and Razer are in different leagues when we are talking about software and hardware design. I am confident that Apple could integrate it well.
……forgetit
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I know a guy, he was an animation major who couldn't afford a tablet so he did all of his sketching and animating with a mouse.
Yup, totally agree. I have that Razer keyboard with the screen/LCD keys. I like it because I can hack my way around it (and got a 50% discount...), but it is not even remotely user friendly.
When it comes to any type of UI interaction, Apple is one of the very few companies in a position to implement massive changes well because they can craft the software and hardware in tandem. Just look at PC trackpads - universally terrible for decades until MS started making their own hardware.
thesoapster
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I'm certainly interested. I've only owned Mac laptops, and that's all I intend on doing if I'm going to keep buying them. The details of the announcement are going to determine whether or not I stick with Apple. I don't use iOS devices, and the job I have now is in .NET development...so in some ways I am actually feeling a pull towards a PC for the next laptop. I do still enjoy a few things about Apple hardware and software that would be missed, but we'll see.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
No, I agree with you... It's on Intel.
But then why the damn near full-year delay on Skylake? And Kaby Lake will probably drop in just a few short months. Apple USED to get first dibs on some of intel's chips.
I don't know. Skylake has been a mess so it could be anything. Maybe the software wasn't ready? Maybe the hardware?
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
It could be any number of things, sure.
But it's hard to get excited to drop $2600 on a laptop using end-of-life chips when a successor is expected, truly, in the next four months or so.
It's just disappointing, that's all. Not the end of the world, but different than how things used to be.
Zombie James
Banned
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/20/trademark-filing-macbook-oled/
OLED touchscreen = "Magic Toolbar". Uh huh.
OLED touchscreen = "Magic Toolbar". Uh huh.
Crazymoogle
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The Maximus was a fine idea in principle but not something people want - OLED basically requires acting like a heat and light source in order to function, and limits the kind of material you can use on the keys themselves.
E-Ink is a much more plausible display because:
- No heat or light output
- Structurally minimal
- Only needs power when changing keys
- The display is flexible and legible enough to consider better, more plastic materials that are more comfortable for keyboard use.
If Apple can solve the PPI problem and find a way to make the keys small enough (no simple task, given things like the Macbook) they'll have a powerful idea to push forward.
Downsides?
- Not sure the "flash" effect on refresh has been solved yet
- Can't backlight it, so Apple would have to revert to lighting underneath the keys themselves and hope that's enough ambient light to make the key values legible in darkness.
LegendOfGood
Member
I'm with you, pal.
HideyoshiJP
Member
I think it has been over 10 years for the original concept Optimus Maximus. I still want my Quake III buttons.
faceless007
Member
Does Apple usually discount the older generation for products still in the channel after new ones come out? I'm still really not sure if I want to give up Magsafe so if I can get a current-gen rMBP for cheaper I might just do that instead.
It kind of depends what Apple does with the price of the new models. They could sell more expensive than current new models or have a similar price.
Generally, the older model will get a little cheaper, though.
Zeyphersan
Banned
They've been known to do EOL pricing on previous generations before. They just did for the iPad SKUs that got removed, like the 16GB models
Not particularly. You're better off going to a place like B&H Photo or Amazon for last stock. Otherwise you'd need to check out the Apple Refurbished Store.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
I'd argue the current stock is already discounted if you know where to look.
Check out the price guide on like Apple Insider and you can get some prices a fair bit cheaper than Apple on new old-gen Macbook Pro.
You may want to keep an eye on that price guide this week and into next week.
Zombie James
Banned
Check out their refurbished store: http://www.apple.com/shop/browse/home/specialdeals/mac
I've bought a couple of Apple products including my 2014 MBP from there. The quality is top-notch and you get a warranty, too. You might even get a stealth upgrade.
badcrumble
Member
Not sure whether I want to use the Friends and Family discount (and therefore wait like a month or two) or the Education discount (and pay more but get whatever I get pretty much immediately). ~('-')~
The Real Abed
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I really hope they decide to drop the HDD only option from all desktop machines and make them all either SSD or Fusion at the lowest end. As long as these Flash in there for the OS and apps to boot from. I have a 2014 iMac and it's practically the same specifications as my 2013 MacBook Pro but it's so goddamned slow to boot or launch anything even the smallest app takes a bit of time. I'm pretty sure the bottleneck is the hard drive. And since I can't perform the upgrade myself without having a doctorate in computer anatomy and a bunch of tools and patience I'm stuck with it. Hard drives should not be an option in today's age. Every computer needs to have Flash now. Even if they come with a hard drive for extra storage, there really must be Flash for the operating system. So I'm hoping the new machines drop disk based storage only as an option.
That said I'd love to see them update every Mac this year. Even the Mac mini. The last ID Steven that dropped upgradable RAM and sealed it shut and dropped the clock speed to save money convinced me to get the iMac I mentioned above. I'm glad for it actually because it has served me so well. The screen is amazing compared to the 20" ACD I would be using if I had a mini instead. it's over 10 years old now.
Still the mini needs to go all Flash too. If they're going to lock the user out anyway they might as well redesign it and miniaturize it and basically take a MacBook Air and mold it into a square form factor without a screen. It should be flash storage. And make it smaller. The current design still remains from the optical drive days. Now it's just unnecessarily big. Shrink that down guys!
And that poor Mac Pro is so stale. They were so excited about its new design then nothing else ever happened.
As for the MacBook Pro. Man I cant wait to see this thing. Even though I won't get one for a while. It'll be something nice to look forward to when I do replace my machine.
That said I'd love to see them update every Mac this year. Even the Mac mini. The last ID Steven that dropped upgradable RAM and sealed it shut and dropped the clock speed to save money convinced me to get the iMac I mentioned above. I'm glad for it actually because it has served me so well. The screen is amazing compared to the 20" ACD I would be using if I had a mini instead. it's over 10 years old now.
Still the mini needs to go all Flash too. If they're going to lock the user out anyway they might as well redesign it and miniaturize it and basically take a MacBook Air and mold it into a square form factor without a screen. It should be flash storage. And make it smaller. The current design still remains from the optical drive days. Now it's just unnecessarily big. Shrink that down guys!
And that poor Mac Pro is so stale. They were so excited about its new design then nothing else ever happened.
As for the MacBook Pro. Man I cant wait to see this thing. Even though I won't get one for a while. It'll be something nice to look forward to when I do replace my machine.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Lately they've been putting products pretty immediately on EPP. Like launch day. There shouldn't be too much of a delay, if any at all
It needs bluetooth.
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