"Hello Again" Apple holding mac-centric media event October 27th 10am PST

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I only wish they would allow for some expandability like the pre retina macbook pro. Unfortunately that probably is never coming back...

My late 2010 13' macbook pro will probably my first mac and my last...
 
Nothing on GPUs...

Also, same panels but better quality means I'm going 15" for sure. Effectively 800p was not enough on the 13" and I don't want to pay the performance penalty for a scaled option.
 
Mr. Wonderful said:
Nothing on GPUs...

Also, same panels but better quality means I'm going 15" for sure. Effectively 800p was not enough on the 13" and I don't want to pay the performance penalty for a scaled option.
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Wouldn't the scaled performance penalty be basically the same as if it was actually a higher res panel?
 
eyeball_kid said:
My guess is it won't just be an OLED bar, but it will also have 3D Touch. Possibly this will enable you to pop open sub-menus on the toolbar and do multiple actions.

i.e. 3D Touch --> [ button ] --> [ button] [ action1 | action2 | action3 ]
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Nah, that's the next year or the year after. Apple will milk it.
 
Appleman said:
Wouldn't the scaled performance penalty be basically the same as if it was actually a higher res panel?
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No, there's an extra step for the scaling before the image is displayed.

Edit: Actually, I think I might be thinking of the Plus variants of iPhones, and with the MacBooks, it's an image quality thing, which I'm sensitive to.
 
I use Boot Camp into Windows a lot. I want to upgrade from my mid-2012 model, but the touch pad instead of a row of Function-keys worries me.
 
As a non-"Power" user who still wants a Pro for the screen, future-proof and all the ports -- what would I be losing out on if the new 15" has Skylake as opposed to Kabylake?
 
X-Frame said:
As a non-"Power" user who still wants a Pro for the screen, future-proof and all the ports -- what would I be losing out on if the new 15" has Skylake as opposed to Kabylake?
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It's going to be Skylake.

Main things are better integrated graphics and HEVC acceleration. TB3 is also integrated in the chipset, so they're probably using an external controller to support that with Skylake.
 
I really have no expectations but a retina macbook air would be neat. If they stuck Arm processor in there for shits and giggle would be nice
 
If there are not Mac mini and Mac Pro upgrades I am going to pissed. I need to buy 40 mac pros for work and I am not going to waste money buying 3 year old machines which have not had a price reduction.
 
HideyoshiJP said:
I think it has been over 10 years for the original concept Optimus Maximus. I still want my Quake III buttons.
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That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the article. I couldn't remember the name. but I knew this concept had been tried about ten or so years ago. Amazing that it was even considered technically feasible back then.
 
mcfrank said:
If there are not Mac mini and Mac Pro upgrades I am going to pissed. I need to buy 40 mac pros for work and I am not going to waste money buying 3 year old machines which have not had a price reduction.
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Apple's rigidity on sticking to the road map has really been hurting the Mac Pro. At some point they should have said "fuck it" and at least put something new in them.
 
Too bad for those customers who want a high-quality Apple display outside of the iMac 5K. And I at least hope we see some pricing adjustment for the iMac 4K and 5K if we aren't going to get hardware updates for the rest of the calendar year. Maybe more RAM in the 27-inch model? Something.

Also, I'm somewhat curious how much more powerful a 13-inch Retina-class MacBook will be. 9to5Mac reported on the KGI note but interpreted that prediction as the introduction of a larger sibling to the 12-inch one-port-future MacBook, and not a refreshed MacBook Air. Which I would think means the MacBook Air becomes the zombie model, like the DVD-equipped MacBook Pro.
 
giga said:
It's going to be Skylake.

Main things are better integrated graphics and HEVC acceleration. TB3 is also integrated in the chipset, so they're probably using an external controller to support that with Skylake.
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Thank you! So how exactly does lacking HEVC acceleration affect someone on Skylake? What won't I be able to do compared to if it was Kaby Lake?
 
X-Frame said:
Thank you! So how exactly does lacking HEVC acceleration affect someone on Skylake? What won't I be able to do compared to if it was Kaby Lake?
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If you watch a video encoded in HEVC, it'll use more cpu power. If you try to encode a video with HEVC, it'll use more cpu power.
 
Macrumors said:
We cannot say for certain whether Apple will announce the new iMacs and Cinema Display on October 27 as the shipping schedule is not imminent.
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This is a weird thing to say. Of course Apple would not announce new iMacs shipping 6 months from now.
 
jstripes said:
I imagine the hardware drivers would default to F-keys under Windows.
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Probably. I certainly expect the OLED buttons to be configurable on a per-app basis. There's plenty of people on the Mac side who depend on function keys, from graphic designers to Office users.

Lo-Volt said:
Too bad for those customers who want a high-quality Apple display outside of the iMac 5K.
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Not sure what you mean by that... there's a decent chance we'll see a 5K Cinema Display, given that whatever MBP they announce should be able to drive it. (I'd say something about the Mac Pro here, but it's too disheartening)

I'm also expecting the new MBP to get a high-gamut screen. That will help differentiate it from the regular MacBook as a "pro" product.
 
Lo-Volt said:
Yes, but not this year, so the rumor goes.
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I don't know, I'm still skeptical of that integrated GPU rumor. Sounds like a prototype that will stay a prototype. If it was truly a badass GPU that you could also use for gaming, I'd be hyped, but otherwise I'm not seeing the benefit. I don't see many regular Macbook users shelling out for a likely-pricey 5k display, and whatever GPU they put in the MBP could surely drive it. So it doesn't make a lot of sense to me for Apple to do that.

Regardless of whether that GPU rumor pans out, Apple could still throw the iMac panel into a separate case and launch something this year. From everything I've heard it's a great display and there's no reason to not use it. They could always roll out a GPU version in a year or five.
 
jstripes said:
Apple's rigidity on sticking to the road map has really been hurting the Mac Pro. At some point they should have said "fuck it" and at least put something new in them.
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It's their fault for not updating to Broadwell-E. You can't expect people to wait for you if you skip two chip generations.
 
X-Frame said:
Thank you! So how exactly does lacking HEVC acceleration affect someone on Skylake? What won't I be able to do compared to if it was Kaby Lake?
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If you watch video encoded on HEVC (usually they are the 4k ones) you fans of your computer will spin like crazy and the battery drains way faster.
 
eyeball_kid said:
I don't know, I'm still skeptical of that integrated GPU rumor. Sounds like a prototype that will stay a prototype. If it was truly a badass GPU that you could also use for gaming, I'd be hyped, but otherwise I'm not seeing the benefit. I don't see many regular Macbook users shelling out for a likely-pricey 5k display, and whatever GPU they put in the MBP could surely drive it. So it doesn't make a lot of sense to me for Apple to do that.

Regardless of whether that GPU rumor pans out, Apple could still throw the iMac panel into a separate case and launch something this year. From everything I've heard it's a great display and there's no reason to not use it. They could always roll out a GPU version in a year or five.
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I would not be surprised one bit if the GPU in a 13" Pro or non-dGPU 15" drops too many frames on a 5K display without an integrated GPU in the display, especially if trying to push the laptop display at the same time.

I also don't think the display would be as expensive as people expect. An entire 5K iMac is what, $1700? With a hard drive, CPU, RAM, etc.? I would not be surprised if they could do the display for $1200 or even a little less, which is still a lot of money, but fitting and honestly very cheap for a 27" 5K IPS panel with a huge color gamut and built in GPU.
 
Guess Who said:
I would not be surprised one bit if the GPU in a 13" Pro or non-dGPU 15" drops too many frames on a 5K display without an integrated GPU in the display, especially if trying to push the laptop display at the same time.

I also don't think the display would be as expensive as people expect. An entire 5K iMac is what, $1700? With a hard drive, CPU, RAM, etc.? I would not be surprised if they could do the display for $1200 or even a little less, which is still a lot of money, but fitting and honestly very cheap for a 27" 5K IPS panel with a huge color gamut and built in GPU.
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I would easily pay $1000 for a 27" 5K display, wide-color correctly calibrated display with a nice integrated GPU. Easily.
 
jstripes said:
Apple's rigidity on sticking to the road map has really been hurting the Mac Pro. At some point they should have said "fuck it" and at least put something new in them.
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The fact that they haven't done a drastic price cut is extra salt on the wound. I really figured they would put some effort in to the Mac Pro after they went through all the trouble of a fairly sophisticated redesign.

Going into the redesign people were already pissed at how long in tooth the tower was and they had a lot of convincing when they dropped such a radical redesign which pretty much told pro users that expansion from here on out was gonna be Thunderbolt or nothing.

While the TB interface is amazing, the products that use it are few and far between and the markup can be really steep. Hardly a home run for people who already felt ignored and had to buy new shit. But whatever I put up with it, I mean yes anything Thunderbolt is a ripoff but I figured Apple was gonna really exert some pressure since it was finally in the whole line. I'd suck it up for a real external solution that could supercharge docking and expansion.

As it stands today nothing much has improved on the affordability or availability of TB expansion or really much of anything at all. But on top of giving people a machine that forced them to conform to a whole new expansion paradigm after years of ignoring them, then they have the balls to not update the fucker for almost 3 years. I know Intel hasn't always been there, but that's hardly an excuse when price should have been lowered or if not then some GPU, memory, and storage bumps.

How they/Intel have managed to bungle Thunderbolt worse than Firewire is beyond me. Such a missed opportunity and one that has made the Mac Pro a hard piece of kit to recommend.
 
WordAssassin said:
Just fuckin update the Mac Mini for the love of god
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This... and I am not even looking for anything major for it. I am not expecting quad-core processors or discrete graphics. Maybe increase the speed of the RAM and the SSD and update the processors to Kaby Lake-U or Skylake Iris 540/550.

cjp said:
New MacBook Pro or Razer Blade Pro?
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The price difference between the former (with a discrete chip) and latter is at least $1,000. You might be better off with the plain old Razer Blade with QHD with the 1060. The Blade Pro has a 1080 but I'd imagine the 1060 will suit you fine, no?
 
Guess Who said:
I would not be surprised one bit if the GPU in a 13" Pro or non-dGPU 15" drops too many frames on a 5K display without an integrated GPU in the display, especially if trying to push the laptop display at the same time.

I also don't think the display would be as expensive as people expect. An entire 5K iMac is what, $1700? With a hard drive, CPU, RAM, etc.? I would not be surprised if they could do the display for $1200 or even a little less, which is still a lot of money, but fitting and honestly very cheap for a 27" 5K IPS panel with a huge color gamut and built in GPU.
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You might be right about the MBP GPUs; I guess it depends what they put in there. $1000+ is probably too much for most people buying the regular Macbook. Most price-sensitive people would probably just pick up a Dell monitor.

SURGEdude said:
The fact that they haven't done a drastic price cut is extra salt on the wound. I really figured they would put some effort in to the Mac Pro after they went through all the trouble of a fairly sophisticated redesign.

Going into the redesign people were already pissed at how long in tooth the tower was and they had a lot of convincing when they dropped such a radical redesign which pretty much told pro users that expansion from here on out was gonna be Thunderbolt or nothing.
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The thing is, no one was asking for a chassis like that. People like me who need the expandability were perfectly happy with slots. Being able to swap out the GPU card, add an internal audio interface, etc. is exactly what professionals need. I've held on to an ancient 8-core Mac Pro tower simply because the trashcan doesn't meet my needs. So I'm positive Apple lost plenty of sales because of that. Sales of the new MP were probably so low that they never bothered to update it. I only hope that they'll go back to a tower chassis. Otherwise, I guess I'll have to try moving to a MBP and a rat's nest of TB devices on my desk, but the raw CPU power is going to suffer.
 
Gonna suck big time if there is no Quad Core KabyLake in 15" MacBook Pro.. want it for HEVC & VP9 encode and decode.

Fucking Intel is a mess.

Oh well wait and see. Might just use my current rMBP till next year I guess.
 
eyeball_kid said:
You might be right about the MBP GPUs; I guess it depends what they put in there. $1000+ is probably too much for most people buying the regular Macbook. Most price-sensitive people would probably just pick up a Dell monitor.
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Dell's 5K monitor is going for $1100 on Amazon, on that note, and the outgoing Thunderbolt Display was $999. It's not like Apple's previously competed on price in the monitor segment.

And I don't think people buying the regular MacBook are especially price-sensitive, considering they're paying between $1300 and $1600 for a computer that's not especially more powerful than machines half the price and is mostly just more nicely made and runs macOS. Air buyers, perhaps.

GeoNeo said:
Gonna suck big time if there is no Quad Core KabyLake in 15" MacBook Pro.. want it for HEVC & VP9 encode and decode.

Fucking Intel is a mess.

Oh well wait and see. Might just use my current rMBP till next year I guess.
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Quad-core Kaby Lakes with Iris Pro aren't shipping till next year, so
 
I think one thing we can hopefully guarantee is a a DCI-P3 wide color gamut display.

The latest iMac, the iPad Pro and now the iPhone 7 have it. Would be great to have 100% sRGB in the MacBook Pro!
 
Guess Who said:
Dell's 5K monitor is going for $1100 on Amazon, on that note, and the outgoing Thunderbolt Display was $999. It's not like Apple's previously competed on price in the monitor segment.

And I don't think people buying the regular MacBook are especially price-sensitive, considering they're paying between $1300 and $1600 for a computer that's not especially more powerful than machines half the price and is mostly just more nicely made and runs macOS. Air buyers, perhaps.
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I wasn't suggesting MB users would buy a Dell 5K display, I think they'd just get something cheaper at a lower res. Most people don't need 5K. This is all conjecture of course, Apple may stiff us on a display yet again.
 
GeoNeo said:
Gonna suck big time if there is no Quad Core KabyLake in 15" MacBook Pro.. want it for HEVC & VP9 encode and decode.

Fucking Intel is a mess.

Oh well wait and see. Might just use my current rMBP till next year I guess.
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If anything, this is what's tempting Apple into going ARM. After having to deal with IBM dropping the ball with the PowerPC G5, and now Intel stumbling with their x86 road map, Apple would love to be in charge of their own destiny.

Not that I want ARM Macs.
 
I'm not normally one to put in too much stock into the invite; but I agree using "Hello Again" and a giant event just to announce new laptops that finally put their line in competition with everyone else's models released early this year would be a pretty big disappointment.

I'm really hoping they have something else up their sleeves.
 
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