formasymphonic
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Thats always been my line of thinking. I'm just gonna sit here and hope that Apple also see the sense in that for their next iMacs. I have a 2008 Mac Pro that has served me admirably all these years, but needs to be replaced.
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Thats always been my line of thinking. I'm just gonna sit here and hope that Apple also see the sense in that for their next iMacs. I have a 2008 Mac Pro that has served me admirably all these years, but needs to be replaced.
This one still stings. Didn't even give us a year, it was a few months later the bastards haha.
I usually jump in at about 4th generation and above. That's when I find their products are usually at their best.
My 4th gen iPod touch is still going strong, but I recently replaced it with the 6th gen one as most apps were no longer really supported on the older products.
fuck. sorry, I don't do game development (not does anyone I know)
touche
meant outside of game development. 100% my bad.
yes it defaults (aka doesn't present an option) to your system drive. Go to preferences, create a new library on an external drive, and make that your primary library.
as for getting photos on there.. two things. First, use iCloud Photo Library... for me this has been a nearly transcendent experience. I never worry about photo storage and availability EVER anymore. When they added RAW I just about died. Worst case scenario is you drop $3/month ($36 per year) for the 200GB iCloud option. To have your photos EVERYFRIGGINWHERE.
If you are bringing them in from a camera.. Photos honestly does a good enough job for that. It brings them in, leaves them alone, and automatically sends them up to iCPL making them instantly available on all other devices.
Yes this all requires you to invest 100% into Apple's photo solution... but with Photos in OS X 11, iCloud Photo Library and now the facial and scene recognition in iOS 10 and macOS 12, IMHO apple's photo solution is FINALLY comparable to Google's with virtually no downsides (aside from not easily accessible from Android devices)
I have a question.
Who is Apple's intended audience for this Macbook Pro? Because it seems like everything was designed to be frustrating for a professional, and intended for casual use. It looks like a toy.
If I'm buying it to do professional work, I wouldn't care about the machine being super thin, I would want the power and tools on hand to do my job efficiently. Yet this seems completely the opposite.
Are there even any professionals considering to adopt this machine?
Who is Apple's intended audience for this Macbook Pro? Because it seems like everything was designed to be frustrating for a professional, and intended for casual use. It looks like a toy.
If I'm buying it to do professional work, I wouldn't care about the machine being super thin, I would want the power and tools on hand to do my job efficiently. Yet this seems completely the opposite.
Are there even any professionals considering to adopt this machine?
this has been a really miscommunicated point.
the only thing "casual" about these MBPs is the toolbar, which most professionals' reactions to have been "huh?". The actual specs and build quality of the devices are absolutely in line with a top end professional notebook.
basically this is the same profession level notebook the MBP has always been, with the toolbar thrown in to justify(?) the price hike (which isn't so much a hike as a realignment to the current professional tier of notebooks)
Actually I'm more referring to the discarding of function keys, and the lack of USB ports, and display port.
SD Card slot, I'll give it since they usually break after a few years.
A professional would certainly not mind a thicker macbook if it has the ports he needs.
(And I wouldn't be surprised if the headphone jack will be gone in a later iteration, which means good luck for musicians as well lol)
Already ordered, although I could see myself flipping it in 2-3 years, given its limitations (16GB RAM limit, un-upgradable SSD).
It'll be a vast improvement over my current workhorse, but probably without the longevity I want.
Angelus Errare
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Mobile (iOS) and web development exist.
http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/HJKF2ZM/A/belkin-usb-c-to-gigabit-ethernet-adapter
Also plenty on Amazon/eBay for half the price
jstevenson
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a professional doesn't care about adding a couple dongles to their workstation set-up, or having them in their travel bag. It's a minor minor cost. The 210 dollar image floating around here is to make fun of Apple, but either a corporation pays it and doesn't care, or you go buy cheaper third party stuff from a reputable source like Belkin or Amazon Basics.
Hell, I traveled with 2-3 different dongles for my macbook air for years.
It's not a big deal.
The One Who Knocks
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Just got a shipping confirmation email for the order with the Macbook Pro 13" Space Grey with the Touch Bar and AppleCare Plus but looking at the email I notice it seems to be specifying AppleCare Plus rather than the Macbook Pro. Is it normal to receive a shipping confirmation an email for the AC+ agreement for a Macbook, or is there actually a possibility I might get the laptop next week?
I got AC+ with an Apple Watch and didn't get a separate email for it so I'm not too sure what's going on here, because with an estimated deliver of 18th November it seems too good to be true.
I got AC+ with an Apple Watch and didn't get a separate email for it so I'm not too sure what's going on here, because with an estimated deliver of 18th November it seems too good to be true.
Rocky Raccoon
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It's like Late 2008 and 2012 again. Whenever Apple introduce a revision on their MacBooks, they always increase its cost over the previous generation.
The year after that, Apple releases another iteration with improved specs at lower cost.
It sucks being an early adopter, but I love using MacBooks.
I fucking hate carrying around adapters and dongles for work. On trips I always wind up with lots extra because you've got no guarantee about what's going to be there when you get on-site for something (and I still someone didn't have the right one) For a long time every where I worked had magsafe's in every conference room which was great because I hate carrying around a magsafe too.
I did it. Life went on. I forgot the right one sometimes. Had a few mad rushes to BestBuy/Fry's to buy some. Its not the end of the world, but it is shitty. Don't act like its not.
Funky Papa
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It'll really take hold when Apple uses USB-C for the iPhone in 2 years.
Because they gotta give people a reason to upgrade from the one coming out next year I guess.
No technology is ever really future proof, but yes, kinda. It has a feature called Alternate Mode which allows the device and host to sidestep the USB protocol and do their own thing over some of the wires (which is why USB-C can carry HDMI/Thunderbolt/DP etc). Of course, both the device and host has to support whichever Alternate Mode you want to use.
It really is a fantastic spec - can't wait for it to be more widely adopted.
honestly I don't think they ever will switch to USB-C for iPhones. I think they'll go full wireless charging and remove the charging port alltogether
Costa Kid
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Do you not think wireless charging is awkward while on an aeroplane or in bed?
I expect Apple would design it in a way that isn't awkward
Interfectum
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The Apple whose solution nowadays is put a dongle on everyhting?
entremet
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I think price and using last gen processors is the biggest issue here.
Have one of these and it would make more sense.
At the prices, they should have the current gen processors or be cheaper.
I'm not so sure anymore.
those design decisions have been discussed to death and I understand why people make fun of them, but practically they are non-issues, because the stuff charges fast enough
Rand0m TAG
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nothing is fast enough that warrants those design choices. what if i need to use my mouse, and its dead. i will be screwed until it charges
fair enough, as I said, this has been discussed to death so I'd rather not. anyway on topic EMOJIBAR
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
I mean, my work bag has a zip pocket that had the three dongles I needed in air. I always carried power.
In my own office I never need to worry because the conference rooms are standardized and I'd put stuff on the network and not run it off my laptop.
I mean, I guess yes, it'd be nice not to carry dongles, but if you're in the business of needing to show things from your computer, you carry the necessary equipment. That was the price I paid for a thin / light laptop. Much prefer that over weight / bulk. To each their own though!
AstroNut325
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Not sure about any of the new lineup. Yes it's an improvement, but nothing truly extraordinary.
I'll also add, video out has always been a cluster fuck on most laptops regardless of apple. throughout my career conference rooms would randomly have combos of VGA, DVI, HDMI, etc. Most laptops even non apple ones would need adapters for video stuff, unless it was some shitty laptop with a VGA port, and really who the fuck wants a VGA port?
for all other ports I will admit though, going Apple invites the possibility of dongle-city much more than other laptops
my very first mac, a 12" PowerBook had a mini dvi. My next, a 15" mbp had a dvi, but largely I used to use a dvi to vga adaptor.
Now I have a 21" iMac and I have to use a thunderbolt to dvi adaptor fir my second screen.
At least to me, dongles for screens have always been present.
Lasthope106
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Did the old models get a price cut?
They are using current gen processors, except for the non Touch Bar 13" model. 28W/45W Kaby Lake isn't out yet, last I heard.
Ironically, I really like the Lightning plug because USB-C is a bit awkward to insert because of its round design.
It's easier to plug this in.
Than this.
No.
Spiral Insanity
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Regarding the pencil, it takes a minute or two to charge. And it comes with a dongle if you prefer to plug it in. It is a non-issue elevated to meme-like status.
But USB-C goes in either direction just like the Lightning connector. I don't see how it's more awkward.
Mouse is pretty annoying though. Charges fairly slowly for me and is unusable during that time. Don't have to do it very often but still annoying. Would much rather have the cable coming out of the front so I could use while charging.
Irishmantis
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You Brits think you got it bad
The Irish prices are ludicrous we are paying an extra $500 for touch model over the U.S.
WTF?
The Irish prices are ludicrous we are paying an extra $500 for touch model over the U.S.
WTF?
formasymphonic
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Here In the UK, they actually went UP in price.
The Real Abed
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To be fair you'd be screwed for 15 seconds which would give you hours of usage, or a minute which would give you more, or 2 hours if you need to leave the house which would give you a month of usage. It's really a non-issue. Your mouse will never get that low because you'll know way ahead of time that it's going to die and can remedy it by leaving it plugged in over night or when you go out somewhere.
Not that I'm defending it of course. It looks really stupid that way and could have been remedied by putting the port in the back and is more function over form, but it's not as big a deal as people make it.
The pencil thing is more silly, but is also a non-issue since it charges the same way. But again yes, it looks silly. Could have been remedied by making it magnetic on the side and having it stick to those charging circles on the edge instead. Why no one at Apple thought of that is beyond me. But what can you do.
This is the most obscene part. I get that the pound is weak, but we're talking old technology here.
We actually bought a second hand Retina MacBook earlier:
£650 - 2.4Ghz i5, 256GB SSD, 8GB RAM
vs
£1,449 - 2.0Ghz i5, 256 SSD, 8GB RAM
I appreciate there are other factors too such as the newer one having better graphics, it's thinner, has a warranty etc but no way could I justify spending the extra.
Rocky Raccoon
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What was the model of your 2nd hand MacBook?
Zeyphersan
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Got my order in. 15" with the 2.9Ghz i7, 1TB drive, and the RX 460. Now I wait until December
FYI Best Buy received their shipment of non-touch bar MacBook Pros already. Used "reserve for pick up" and picked one up in the LA area.
Calculated the difference on a 13" touch bar base model after taxes and the difference is ~$320 after taxes. That's 300 more for 2 more ports, faster CPU, and touchbar...I'm not sure if that's worth it at the moment for me since the model I bought is already $200 over budget. Figure I can sell this once the price drops on new models in 18 months and purchase gen 2 touch bar at a modest loss.
Calculated the difference on a 13" touch bar base model after taxes and the difference is ~$320 after taxes. That's 300 more for 2 more ports, faster CPU, and touchbar...I'm not sure if that's worth it at the moment for me since the model I bought is already $200 over budget. Figure I can sell this once the price drops on new models in 18 months and purchase gen 2 touch bar at a modest loss.
I just noticed on Apple's MBP page, under the "Performance" section you can compare the Iris 550 in the 13" to the Radeon Pro in the 15" and apparently video editing comparison is faster on the Iris?
not sure what to make of this. I guess the 13" versions come w/ either the 540 or 550 Iris chip while the 15" MBP have a dGPU but also an 530 Iris.
not sure what to make of this. I guess the 13" versions come w/ either the 540 or 550 Iris chip while the 15" MBP have a dGPU but also an 530 Iris.
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