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[kirblar]

Warriors don't suck. People need to learn to play with them. Assassins need to learn to take advantage of when the warrior displaces/cc an enemy to focus fire on them. Support needs to learn to keep the warrior up when the tank is actually tanking/body blocking the enemy team. In qm, too many people either play their warriors as low damage assassins with more health or play them like they're made out of tissue paper and hide in the back like a ranged glass cannon assassin instead of getting in the minions/enemy teams face.

Overall with all the patches I think warriors are stronger than they have ever been without being OP. People just need to learn how to play with them/as them.

Clearly, it's the players! Those stupid scrubs need to learn how to coordinate in soloqueue despite having no actual mechanism to do so implemented in game! Those good players will show you the errors of your ways! Let's check out the Master-level players' stats in Hero League!

Diablo - 37/37
ETC - 36/37
Muradin - 32/37
Stitches - 30/37
Chen - 25/37
Arthas - 22/37
Johanna - 16/37
Tyrael - 13/37
Anub'arak - 2/37

Clearly, those scrubs need to L2P.

 

[Yoshichan]

Johanna and Anub are both 'broken' in terms of how good they are. They're both warriors.

They need to make the remaining trash warriors as good as them.

 

[kirblar]

Johanna and Anub are both 'broken' in terms of how good they are. They're both warriors.

They need to make the remaining trash warriors as good as them.

Anub is going to be a problem because of the pubstomping- I don't see happy things in his future.

Jo's fine though. She's annoying as hell - but that's because she's a well designed tank.

 

[RazorK1d]

I never stated warriors don't still need help, it just that it's easier to play as an assassin/support because their roles are easily defined. You either pew pew or stand back and heal/cc. I wish there was a tutorial in game on how to warrior properly as well as how to take advantage of a warrior on your team whether you are dps or support. A lot of new players would benefit greatly from that.

Definitely their design is getting better with them tho. Jo is my favorite warrior and her kit coupled with her low damage forces players to do with her what warriors are suppose to do best which is to displace/get in the enemy's way/cc/tank.

I have high hopes for Leoric.

 

[Duress]

I suck with other characters beside warriors. It gives me more leniency to not screw up

 

[kirblar]

Leoric sounds like a Sonya - bruiser/CC, not an MT.

 

[Ketch]

Leoric sounds like a Sonya - bruiser/CC, not an MT.

I hope so. Can't wait to bash people and never die.

I want to know what his talents are.

 

[RazorK1d]

Leoric sounds like a Sonya - bruiser/CC, not an MT.

True, but his trait gives him a lot of value to literally harass the enemy team forever. This alone makes his seemingly always in your face style (based off his kit) very strong for an MT. The only thing I'm curious about is if he's as squishy as Sonya or can be built to be more in line survivability wise as Jo.

 

[Yoshichan]

Been a long time since I played this much in one day :lol Managed to get in 14 hours of solid gameplay and got my Tyrael from 1 to 8 ½ (and Thrall from 9 to 10).

Tyrael is fun as fuck btw, but not necessarily for his tanking or damaging abilities. He's just solid because of the fact that he's fast and all his moves can basically be used both offensively and defensively which I like.

Good night everyone

 

[Maximus.]

Any news on who is on sale next week?

 

[Milly79]

Any news on who is on sale next week?

Brightwing -- Sale Price: 4.99 EUR, 3.69 GBP
Flying Monkey Brightwing Skin -- Sale Price: 4.99 EUR, 3.69 GBP
Desert Queen Zagara Skin -- Sale Price: 4.99 EUR, 3.69 GBP

 

[Exodist]

Without reading too much of the thread, we got many EU players in here? I primarily play Dota 2 so obviously I am hot shit at this game (hahahahaha). I love Blizzard though and I've been playing this a little bit since beta and quite enjoy it, need some guys to play it with though so I'd be up to playing with any other people on the EU servers. I have like no heroes and can't be arsed to grind shit in this game but I am fairly capable and whatnot. Just reply or send me a message or add me on battlenet (or whatever), I think my username is Exodist, same as here. Probably.

 

[Alur]

Quote the OP and check out the Google doc there. Has a big list of everyone's battle tag from EU (and NA should you happen to desire it). Add your tag to it too.

/join NeoGAF in game to form groups too and there's also HOTS GAF Mumble if you happen to form a group and wanna use it.

BTW no one can add you from your username til you tell us the numbers at the end. (ie: Exodist#xxxx)

 

[Exodist]

Quote the OP and check out the Google doc there. Has a big list of everyone's battle tag from EU (and NA should you happen to desire it). Add your tag to it too.

/join NeoGAF in game to form groups too and there's also HOTS GAF Mumble if you happen to form a group and wanna use it.

BTW no one can add you from your username til you tell us the numbers at the end. (ie: Exodist#xxxx)

Cheers man, I checked the google docs but only saw NA people but don't worry that was just me being stupid. Gonna join the group anyway and I can do mumble (by that I mean I'll download now), and my tag is Exodist#2880 if anyone is interested, added it to the Googledoc as well.

 

[Alur]

Cheers man, I checked the google docs but only saw NA people but don't worry that was just me being stupid. Gonna join the group anyway and I can do mumble (by that I mean I'll download now), and my tag is Exodist#2880 if anyone is interested, added it to the Googledoc as well.

Yoshichan is (or was, I've saw him say he was soloing a bit lately) forming groups most every day EU side so that may be the best route.

If you were NA you could join us, but dat ping doe.

 

[jaundicejuice]

Warriors don't suck. People need to learn to play with them. Assassins need to learn to take advantage of when the warrior displaces/cc an enemy to focus fire on them. Support needs to learn to keep the warrior up when the tank is actually tanking/body blocking the enemy team. In qm, too many people either play their warriors as low damage assassins with more health or play them like they're made out of tissue paper and hide in the back like a ranged glass cannon assassin instead of getting in the minions/enemy teams face.

Overall with all the patches, I think warriors are stronger than they have ever been without being OP. People just need to learn how to play with them/as them.

No tutorial is going to address the core problem of solo queuing Quick Match as a Warrior and magically make 5 strangers just cooperate. That's a problem with MOBA's in general. Heroes of the Storm unique take on the genre is also a problem because your success or failure is entirely tied to your teams overall performance. In HotS you can't have individual success, like farm an item to counter some disadvantages and maybe turn a teamfight around. I can't farm up a Black King Bar (no CC, no nukes for a limited amount of time) to help me survive or turn around a fight I have to initiate as the warrior. At best, after being thrown under the bus repeatedly, you learn to gauge your teammates and see if they'll back up what they say or where they ping and skill your talents accordingly. The lack of VOIP in this game hurts as much as it helps.

Playing a Warrior in HotS can be the most frustrating experience in the game because as the initiator you will bare the brunt of every teamfight gone wrong. First in, first to die. Unless you play Chen or Muradin and then just "nope" your way out with Dwarf Toss or Wandering Keg.

 

[JC Sera]

I think warriors are the most underrated and essential class
if you get queued with a team with no warriors, good chance you loose. I feel like you can't say the same for any other class.

 

[kirblar]

I think warriors are the most underrated and essential class
if you get queued with a team with no warriors, good chance you loose. I feel like you can't say the same for any other class.

4 x Assassin actually does just fine.

 

[Alur]

I think warriors are the most underrated and essential class
if you get queued with a team with no warriors, good chance you loose. I feel like you can't say the same for any other class.

Can't say the same anymore you mean.

Before when you'd get no support vs support it was an even greater disadvantage. You still see it time to time if you hit with a secondary support vs a real support but the gap isn't quite as great.

Blizzard's numbers were something like a 47% winrate with no warrior on a team and 40% with no support.

 

[JC Sera]

Can't say the same anymore you mean.

Before when you'd get no support vs support it was an even greater disadvantage. You still see it time to time if you hit with a secondary support vs a real support but the gap isn't quite as great.

Blizzard's numbers were something like a 47% winrate with no warrior on a team and 40% with no support.

To be fair I am probably biased for the support one because I always play support, so I'm not going to be in a game with no support

 

[Ketch]

4 x Assassin actually does just fine.

I agree. Really the only good thing about warriors is that they come with stuns. As long as you already have stuns you don't really need a warrior most of the time. The other good thing they bring is initiation, but it's really not that important because you get the same effect when the other team is bad enough to over extend or if you can force a fight through map mechanics or if the enemy initiator does a bad job.

I love playing melee and warriors are up my alley but I don't feel like they're in a good spot compared to where they used to be. you used to be able to carry a game with good warrior play, now it's much much harder to do so.

I want stitches and etc and Diablo to not suck please.

 

[tylerf]

I want to buy Tassadar but I mostly solo queue in QM. Would that be too frustrating with getting matched against true healers?

 

[Alur]

I want to buy Tassadar but I mostly solo queue in QM. Would that be too frustrating with getting matched against true healers?

If you are good enough and your team is competent you can overcome it. It is definitely a disadvantage, though, particularly since the two most common/best builds revolve around survival + damage or just straight damage for Tassadar.

He's in an unfortunate spot because he's fun to play, has a top 5 skin (can't play him without Mecha skin!), and is very useful in a coordinated environment. With your average QM scrubs though it's a bit of a hill to climb IMO.

Better to grab a friend and queue as double support.

 

[kirblar]

I want to buy Tassadar but I mostly solo queue in QM. Would that be too frustrating with getting matched against true healers?

Yes, wait till they fix matchmaking.

 

[tylerf]

Thx guys. I'll probably spend my gold elsewhere for now and come back to him later.

 

[jaundicejuice]

I want to buy Tassadar but I mostly solo queue in QM. Would that be too frustrating with getting matched against true healers?

Down that road lies sadness.

 

[Opiate]

Those warrior win rates. I'm surprised even Muradin is so low.

Where is this data from?

 

[jaundicejuice]

Looks like hotdogs.

https://www.hotslogs.com/Sitewide/HeroAndMapStatistics

 

[Maximus.]

Brightwing -- Sale Price: 4.99 EUR, 3.69 GBP
Flying Monkey Brightwing Skin -- Sale Price: 4.99 EUR, 3.69 GBP
Desert Queen Zagara Skin -- Sale Price: 4.99 EUR, 3.69 GBP

Lame I guess they are sticking to one hero on sale a week from now on (or until they have a bigger pool of heroes).

 

[Alur]

Where is this data from?

It's hotslogs.com. Good stuff for keeping track of how you are performing with certain heroes, on certain maps, with certain people, etc. Also a useful reference for talents.

 

[Ketch]

Thx guys. I'll probably spend my gold elsewhere for now and come back to him later.

You could just try hero league with him. He's pretty much always a solid pick and it's pretty rewarding, don't let the ladder anxiety keep you from the best part of the game.

 

[Indignate]

Yeah, if you like playing him, just take him into hero league. You'll still run into people who don't understand the situation Tass is in, but it's a better environment for it.


Zagara Skin might bring me back into game but with it being patch week, idk. I tend to try to avoid that period of time.

 

[kirblar]

Lame I guess they are sticking to one hero on sale a week from now on (or until they have a bigger pool of heroes).

This was how it was before the 3-week extra EXP weeks they kicked off with.

 

[danielcw]

I am still a little bit worried about how Blizzard is going to get money for the game.
I am not that far away from reaching the point where I have all heroes I really want.
And if one does all his dailies it shouldn't be difficult to earn 10k+ gold in a month, so all future heroes I would be interested in would be "free", and I would never have to spend money on the game again.

On the other hand, games like Dota 2 seem to work fine, so maybe it just comes down to me not understanding the appeal of spending money on cosmetic items.

 

[jetsetrez]

Man what the fuck is up with the matchmaking lately? It is getting really frustrating, I feel like the last 5+ games I've played I've been put on a team with no tank or no healer or no tank AND no healer, vs teams that have either or both. Last game I played, we had 3 assassins and two specialists vs 2 assassins, 2 tanks, and a healer, and one of our players constantly disconnected. Literally had no chance. So frustrating.

 

[danielcw]

Man what the fuck is up with the matchmaking lately? It is getting really frustrating, I feel like the last 5+ games I've played I've been put on a team with no tank or no healer or no tank AND no healer, vs teams that have either or both. Last game I played, we had 3 assassins and two specialists vs 2 assassins, 2 tanks, and a healer, and one of our players constantly disconnected. Literally had no chance. So frustrating.

Lately?
(Quickmatch-)Matchmaking never cared for roles, as far as I know. Unitl recently, when Blizzard added a rule that both teams should have equal number of supports, if possible.

I have seen some games, where the so called better composed team lost, not that I really care about paying attention to it, or even really understand what makes a good composition.

 

[Yoshichan]

Cheers man, I checked the google docs but only saw NA people but don't worry that was just me being stupid. Gonna join the group anyway and I can do mumble (by that I mean I'll download now), and my tag is Exodist#2880 if anyone is interested, added it to the Googledoc as well.

Bro!

Yoshichan#2623

All you need! Hook me up!

 

[Alur]

Almost time for "Fresh meat!" boys.

Plus I heard there's a map and some balance changes or something but who cares about that rite?

 

[JC Sera]

finally got to 10k to buy johanna 💕

 

[Yoshichan]

I don't think I'll be able to play Butcher in time

 

[Alur]

In time for what?

 

[Yoshichan]

In time for what?

Traveling the 30th... gonna be gone for 2 weeks

 

[Zafir]

Hopefully the new patch will revitalise my interest in the game. For some reason since I've gotten back off holiday the itch to play has gone.

 

[Alur]

Traveling the 30th... gonna be gone for 2 weeks

Poor you . That international jetsetting lyfe 2 stronk.

Hopefully the new patch will revitalise my interest in the game. For some reason since I've gotten back off holiday the itch to play has gone.

Happens to me every time I spend a few days away from a game I play a lot (mostly MMOs prior to this). I don't know what it is but it's like I kick the habit while I'm gone and it's hard to get back into it.

 

[Yoshichan]

Is the patch on the 30th gonna change the cc/daze-thing as well?

edit: Zafir, log on right now and let's play then!

 

[Zafir]

Poor you . That international jetsetting lyfe 2 stronk.



Happens to me every time I spend a few days away from a game I play a lot (mostly MMOs prior to this). I don't know what it is but it's like I kick the habit while I'm gone and it's hard to get back into it.

I think i managed to miss it with past MMOs because I always had something to come back to. Like for two years running in swtor i went on holiday when server transfers were going to happen lol.

Is the patch on the 30th gonna change the cc/daze-thing as well?

edit: Zafir, log on right now and let's play then!

I can't, not at home at the moment.

 

[Impeccable]

Starting to think there is literally no point for Solo Queue and I don't like having to be pinned down to play times etc.

I don't know what it is but ever since yesterday I've gone literally I think 3-15 or something stupid with just absolutely toxic people choosing bad characters in Hero League.

Maybe I'll just play QM and not care. Game just isn't fun when you lose this much.

 

[hypotc]

Felt pretty good after this shot. I'm Sylvanas, and I didn't have vision behind that gate. Such luck!

https://vid.me/e/dfTD

 

[Milly79]

If you didn't have vision why would you waste your ult?

 

[Haly]

He used the Force.