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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
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I'm a noob that sticks to AI games (instant games, and pause feature). If I end up playing quick match will my level be factored into who I play with? I got up to level 22 but wouldn't want to play against actual 22's as I feel I'd slow people down or get destroyed. This is just something I've been wondering, as the more I play the game I could be digging a bigger hole for myself by gaining levels against the Adept level AI.
Your account level doesn't really factor in much unless it's level 40.
Every player starts at the same MMR (1700) and you'll either be facing other new players or more experienced players who are not good enough to leave that bracket. For a bit it should be almost entirely new folks, however.
It's really not something to stress over.
To be frank and get it out of the way; you will likely see BM in the chat, whether directed at you or someone else. Odds are the BMer is the worst player on the team. Mute them or ignore them, and then report them after.
Beyond BM (which is a reality in any competitive online game) there's really nothing to worry about. You'll probably find you outclass your teammates on the regular just by simple virtue of observance and experience. You do post on GAF after all...odds are you get a little more invested in games or read up on them more than the average joe.
Hop in there and have fun. Playing against people is way better than stomping the AI game after game. And you can always do either or when you want to.
jaundicejuice
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Stop playing bot matches, you're just ingraining bad habits because bots behave in ways players won't. They back off of things real players wouldn't, they don't respond to certain things at all. Especially at the lower levels where players will go ham, over-extend, chase and do weird things just to try and secure one kill. If you encounter toxcity, just mute. Don't respond with toxicity, it will just completely sabotage any potential teamwork for the rest of the match.
Two teams enter, one is going to lose. If you give up or are toxic towards your teammates, it's probably going to be yours.
Two teams enter, one is going to lose. If you give up or are toxic towards your teammates, it's probably going to be yours.
Bot matches are the best for dailies.
Just put on the idiot bots who don't behave like real people whatsoever to ace em quickly.
Replays for Ketch - https://www.dropbox.com/s/1hgrz1gxi...ar?dl=0&preview=Heroes+Rising+Replay+Pack.rar
RumblingRosco
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All I play now is bot matches and ARAM. Bot matches can be wrapped up in 4-6 minutes usually so its amazing for clearing quests.
I tried some QM again the other day and won a few but all together I'm happier in ARAM.
I tried some QM again the other day and won a few but all together I'm happier in ARAM.
Doesn't he need the client?
My man.
Totally agree. Played a few QMs recently after maining ARAM, and it's far less enjoyable. What times do you play? We should hit up the ARAM together.
ARAM feels way more one sided then QM does, particularly since there aren't any algorithms in place to try and even out the team with healers or wtv as an official mode would have such as in Smite.
I've come to this conclusion after playing a total of two matches so I think I know what I'm talking about.
I've come to this conclusion after playing a total of two matches so I think I know what I'm talking about.
It is way more one sided, that's why I got burnt out on it.
If you are a diamond or higher level player, odds are high you are the best or second best player in your lobby unless someone is running as a group and you don't know it.On the one hand, it's fun in that way because you know you will win the majority of the time. On the other, you are kind of killing the game for everyone else.
That was my concern when we were doing it as a team a week or two ago...it was fun for us GAF folk, but probably miserable for everyone else lol
Things can even out a bit because your side can get hosed with a bad comp vs the enemy so that makes for a challenge. It'd be nice if you could restrict certain heroes, or go no support or no tank or whatever. Support imbalance really throws some matchups, and tank imbalance is second worst (beyond the top 2 or 3 ARAM heroes that is).
If you are a diamond or higher level player, odds are high you are the best or second best player in your lobby unless someone is running as a group and you don't know it.On the one hand, it's fun in that way because you know you will win the majority of the time. On the other, you are kind of killing the game for everyone else.
That was my concern when we were doing it as a team a week or two ago...it was fun for us GAF folk, but probably miserable for everyone else lol
Things can even out a bit because your side can get hosed with a bad comp vs the enemy so that makes for a challenge. It'd be nice if you could restrict certain heroes, or go no support or no tank or whatever. Support imbalance really throws some matchups, and tank imbalance is second worst (beyond the top 2 or 3 ARAM heroes that is).
They updated MM rules again.
Solo players: Cannot be matched against four or five-player parties.
Duo players*: Cannot be matched against five-player parties.
Three-player parties: Can match against any party size.
EDIT: There has been some confusion about how parties of 3 can match against full parties. This rule is based on the largest party size on each team, so it IS still possible that 2 and 3-player parties (or 4+1 solo) will be matched together against a full party. However, as mentioned above, the matchmaker still prioritizes match quality, so the system will do its best to ensure your game is the best match available at the time the game is created. You should see cases like 2+1+1+1 and 5 solos against full parties much less often.
Solo players: Cannot be matched against four or five-player parties.
Duo players*: Cannot be matched against five-player parties.
Three-player parties: Can match against any party size.
EDIT: There has been some confusion about how parties of 3 can match against full parties. This rule is based on the largest party size on each team, so it IS still possible that 2 and 3-player parties (or 4+1 solo) will be matched together against a full party. However, as mentioned above, the matchmaker still prioritizes match quality, so the system will do its best to ensure your game is the best match available at the time the game is created. You should see cases like 2+1+1+1 and 5 solos against full parties much less often.
jaundicejuice
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I wish they would add a commendation system of some sort (would you like be matched with this player again y/n).
Familienoberhauptvogel
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So I bought greymane with gold and he's fun but I lost 3 out of the 3 games I played with him so not the best track record. I at least won 50% of my games with Lunara.
I loathe how his human form has zero escape. If the Worgen form was beefier or had options of self sustain I could at least go in aggressively but alas.
He really does lend himself to outplaying though, makes you feel real good about yourself when you pull something off, even while losing.
Favourite moment of the day Hammer telling me they are doing boss after 4 of my team wiped unnecessarily. Like no kidding, thanks for the info now what am I supposed to do with it?
I loathe how his human form has zero escape. If the Worgen form was beefier or had options of self sustain I could at least go in aggressively but alas.
He really does lend himself to outplaying though, makes you feel real good about yourself when you pull something off, even while losing.
Favourite moment of the day Hammer telling me they are doing boss after 4 of my team wiped unnecessarily. Like no kidding, thanks for the info now what am I supposed to do with it?
RumblingRosco
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Usually 5-9 AM is my range (US Central) so it's a super oddball time. On weekends it's a lot easier for me to get on for the occasional mid-day ARAM.
I haven't burned out yet on aram myself but I focus more on getting better (Positionning, target priority, heavy resource management) and exploring builds on the fly than winning per se. It helped me a ton actually. Way faster than doing QMs.
Playing a stealth character vs a Tass is the worst time ever in ARAM.
Playing a stealth character vs a Tass is the worst time ever in ARAM.
He melts pretty quickly, for sure. I especially like catching Greymane in human form (no escape).
Yeah, if you go in Worgen your only form of escape is using your Q to disengage. To escape in human form, you're forced to shift into walls or minions or something else and use the Q. It's not ideal to be sure, but I haven't had much issue with that. As for what you said about Lunara, IMO that is just kind of random subjectiveness to you in particular. I also have a 55%+ winrate with her, but it's only like 8 or 9 games. By and large, almost everyone has the piss poorest winrate with Lunara once they play her more than 10 games. Greymane is definitely in a better spot.
As I think Grubby said, Greymane is a mediocre Raynor + a more lethal Illidan (with less survivability in both forms than either hero).
You can really pile on the damage in human form throughout a game, you just have to pick your spot for using Go For The Throat to finish.
Yep, each team will get a support or get a tank. Just the usefulness of certain ones varies more wildly in ARAM than it does in regular HOTS, and it's already an issue in regular HOTS to some degree (though less so since the reworks).
You work nights bro? Imma check that Google doc and add you.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Oh yeah, I'm not saying she's in any way better just that I had more success with her. None of the games I played with Grey felt like it was because I was playing the character nor because I was making some grave misplays, though I'm sure there were more than a couple.
Problem was the QM comps were kinda bad matchups for Grey. Go for the throating the squishies in the back and then Disengaging is awesome though. Don't think the ultimate upgrade at 20 is worth it but the alternatives are kinda unexciting.
I've been taking the cleave in worgen form at 20... so good. You can clear creep waves quickly and really melt down the enemy team in larger engagements.
Fine Ham Abounds
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So with all my crying at the end of the last thread, I come into this week with a QM record of 19 wins and 2 losses over the last 4 days. I'm not even going to bother trying to make sense of anything anymore because I'm clearly too inconsistent to form a valuable opinion.
Johanna + Greymane or Uther with shield + Greymane is fun to roll duo queue
Johanna + Greymane or Uther with shield + Greymane is fun to roll duo queue
Yeah, it is pretty damn good. ^^
Familienoberhauptvogel
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never said it wasn't just that they are unexciting, even just plain ol' bolt is flashy.
RumblingRosco
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I'm a grad student, so I work all the time lulz. It just happens my wife gets up early so I play some games while she is showering etc and then I go into my lab a bit later than when she goes into work.
jaundicejuice
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Greymane is a terrible hero to solo queue as, I've been in so many matches where there is simply no support and Greymane just melts. In a small organised group, with some CC. and heals or damage mitigation, he could just wreck. I can see Greymane being a top tier pick in mid to high level play.
I get the comparison of being a more lethal Illidan mashed up with a mediocre Raynor. If Greymane catches you out of position and you don't have CC, a nearby teammate or forts to dive to, you're dead. Even if you have some or all of those things, it depends on how committed the Greymane is to securing that one kill.
I get the comparison of being a more lethal Illidan mashed up with a mediocre Raynor. If Greymane catches you out of position and you don't have CC, a nearby teammate or forts to dive to, you're dead. Even if you have some or all of those things, it depends on how committed the Greymane is to securing that one kill.
Fine Ham Abounds
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It is truly amazing how the only thing that matches how quickly he can kill someone from full health is how quickly he dies from full health.
jaundicejuice
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How much of an impact would reversing the changes to Shadow Walk make to Tyrande's healing output?
I would actually be super happy if they did that.
I would actually be super happy if they did that.
jaundicejuice
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Thank fuck. Now if her leap ult breaks channels, that would be swell.
I don't think her healing is an issue. Neither is her damage.
The problem is she has 2 talents that reduce cooldowns. An owl one, and battle momentum.
Her trait is also a way too strong, given the current state of the game.
Then we have the stun, which... isn't limited to just Tyrande.
jaundicejuice
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I never played Tyrande to be a heal bot, in fact I dropped her when they made that change despite her being OP now. I played her for her stun, teamfight initiation, fucking over invis heroes and long bombing Abathur with double birds from downtown. There's cheeky shit I miss doing with Shadow Stalk (Walk , whatever) that you can't do anymore without the enemy team reveal.
Using Quick match to determine a heroes balance or viability is terrible. There's going to be heroes that are viable in low and mid level play, there's going to be heroes that are viable in mid and high level play, and some that are only viable in high level play.
The only way they can really improve QM matchmaking and continue to make interesting non-standard heroes that sort of defy the rigid class roles is to drop blind pick queue is to switch over to a 1 min draft mode without any bans. People will make as shitty decisions as the matchmaker currently does but it will simplify the matchmaker's job of finding ten players all in the same relative skill cap and close enough to the same server in a relatively short amount of time. You would ease the burden on MM and place some of it on the players.
The changes to the hero scaling threw so many things out of whack.
Stuns are a problem related to the talent system and the removal/lack of items. In Dota you can proactively deal with stuns once you farm up enough gold to buy an item called a Black King Bar (provides magic immunity, starts at 10 seconds and decays with each use until it hits and stays at 5 seconds). In HotS there are so many stuns and only one proactive solution, an Uther ult. A few supports have cleanse, it used to be a proactive solution to dealing with stuns but now it's reactive. And reactive is too damned late with how quickly some heroes get blown up now.
The Sentinel talent is skillshot related so I have less of any issue with that but Battle Momentum is one of those older generic talents and those are so problematic in this game.
The issue is the builds that have none of the cooldown reduction talents are very popular and very powerful - it's not those that are doing it/
The healing on the ult is too much, and the trait is too powerful combined with that mark. Add into that her high personal dps for a utility support and it's just the overall package I feel that is a problem.
Remove the healing on the ult and do something with the trait. That's my gut feeling - keep the stun because the stun is a good ability, but do something to stuns overall.
The healing on the ult is too much, and the trait is too powerful combined with that mark. Add into that her high personal dps for a utility support and it's just the overall package I feel that is a problem.
Remove the healing on the ult and do something with the trait. That's my gut feeling - keep the stun because the stun is a good ability, but do something to stuns overall.
this is blind pick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX111sJoQO4
you cannot see what the enemy team is picking hence "blind"
not what qm is doing, where you pick your hero before the game even gets matched, which has never been done in any moba before
you cannot see what the enemy team is picking hence "blind"
not what qm is doing, where you pick your hero before the game even gets matched, which has never been done in any moba before
I don't see how the healing is out of hand. It's fine if she didn't have 2 talents for CDR...
jaundicejuice
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I never pick Battle Momentum, I always pick Lunar Blaze (stun range increase). But then what do I know, I play Gazlowe.
I think it's because her healing with the ult is enough to keep a team in a fight long enough to get the kills and win. In a short engagement it's not noticable that she is lacking the tools, and her offensive power is so much that you win off that before the lack of big healing matters.
TurboLibre
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So I need some help, the past couple of weeks this game has been running like complete garbage. Massive lag spikes every single match, clicks not responding, constant stuttering. I've excluded the game from my firewall and antivirus, lowered the graphic quality and sound, and it's still consistently unplayable.
Is there anything I'm missing? Can I change servers or anything? My roommates seem to run the game fine.
Is there anything I'm missing? Can I change servers or anything? My roommates seem to run the game fine.
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