yeah i get the range and lingering if i go e build
for w all you want is the w quest and w setting trait cd to 5 secs, it's for more trait pops mainly
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Heroes of the Storm |OT3| Chromiehounds
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yeah i get the range and lingering if i go e build
for w all you want is the w quest and w setting trait cd to 5 secs, it's for more trait pops mainly
They've had some badly, badly undertuned heroes in the past. It's almost always too hot or too cold. Auriel's one they nailed out of the gates.
Ramzy
Member
Auriel was a freak occurrence -- i don't think we've ever had a hero released in such a balanced state... In fact, I don't think she has had any balance changes made to her kit since release?
Only negative thing about Auriel is Resurrect just seems to be a very lacklustre ulti in comparison to Crystal Aegis.
Side note: Tyrande still dumpster tier. 5-7% buff to her attack speed / DPS isn't a solution for her confused shitty kit and counter-intuitive playstyle.
Resurrect rework and a slight nerf to PvE hope gain from the Crown target.
scoobs
Member
Dehaka came out completely balanced and a good win rate. Just had terrible talent diversity. Cassia also hasn't changed much at all since release.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
they've gotten was better at this noisy heroes now release in a greasy spot and Tyrande never was dumpster tier since her rework
Ramzy
Member
Can a hero be considered balanced if they have no build diversity / many of their talents are traps?
Many would disagree. I find Tyrande to be in a very confusing and weird spot right now. She excels at nothing, and aside from hunters mark idk what she provides to the team aside from abysmal healing numbers (that she can only offer when she puts herself in danger as a result of her terrible attack range).
scoobs
Member
Sure they can if their win rate is good and they're neither OP or UP. That's what balanced is. Talent diversity is a whole different ball park
Tyrande is under valued right now. I think mostly due to the lack of CC that gets played. Cleansing a stun on that short of a CD is bonkers, and lunar flare is still one of the best abilities in the game.
If the meta shifts to including more CC, which I think needs to happen since tracer/genji/illidan are running rampant, then I could see her getting picked up as a second support.
Her problems right now are that she's food for illidan+genji, there's like typically only one stun per team, and both of her heroics are a bit undertuned.
She's good, but not in this meta.
If the meta shifts to including more CC, which I think needs to happen since tracer/genji/illidan are running rampant, then I could see her getting picked up as a second support.
Her problems right now are that she's food for illidan+genji, there's like typically only one stun per team, and both of her heroics are a bit undertuned.
She's good, but not in this meta.
Yea that's what I said. Until there's more CC she will be undervalued, because not only is there not much for her cleanse to remove she's also food to heroes like genji and illidan.
If we start seeing more disables I could see her getting picked as a second support to cleanse and enable a mobile assassin or to combo with the additional disabled to blow heroes up in the ol tyrande one shot comp style yet again.
Stukov is interesting. I hadn't played him on PTR so this was the first I really saw of him. The arm ability plus the arm ult are fun and I kind of dig this spreading mechanic.
I'm glad his base skin is so good, though, because that Pirates of the Carribean Jolly Roger meets Davey Jones looking second skin is not my jam.
EDIT: Also RIP BOE/Braxis/Sky Temple going out in favor of Garden/Warhead/Mines. That's probably my 3 least favorite maps all added back in at once.
I'm glad his base skin is so good, though, because that Pirates of the Carribean Jolly Roger meets Davey Jones looking second skin is not my jam.
EDIT: Also RIP BOE/Braxis/Sky Temple going out in favor of Garden/Warhead/Mines. That's probably my 3 least favorite maps all added back in at once.
WonderRade
Member
The new map rotation is by far my least favorite, BHB is my favorite of the bad maps and thats the one that isnt there
So what are we thinking the new Xul build is? basically full cursed strikes?
Do you have someone trying to play stukov? Are you in team league? Are your mmr really far apart?
Haven't played in Bronze then. All my wife complains about is people trying to main support as her, claiming they are that good. Possibly some throwing and trolling going on. But they are out there.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
like beforehand she's an enabler just the kind that isn't in vogue right now. ETC being bad just adds to that being one of the best heroes paired with her.
What she brings to the table is an array of crowd control and her tankbuster and objective racing mark.
Tyrande def not awful and she can be solo healer in my experience
I mean of course but the idea that the solution to ppl -> game needs to enforce role-based mm that doesnt make sense anyway and forward very thin ideas of what roles mean...it's totally foreign to me. Even in league or dota the lower ranks are a mess, but id say their silver/gold already have ppl adhering to an unspoken meta.
I mean of course but the idea that the solution to ppl -> game needs to enforce role-based mm that doesnt make sense anyway and forward very thin ideas of what roles mean...it's totally foreign to me. Even in league or dota the lower ranks are a mess, but id say their silver/gold already have ppl adhering to an unspoken meta.
Karsticles
Member
Yes. No. No.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Xul's new 20 is ridiculous. Otherwise he feels pretty unchanged, he does pretty good damage with executioner and boneprison skeleton mages combined.
New Xul feels way better to me. That level 4 talent that reduces W cooldown by 0.5 per target you hit is pretty bonkers, especially in lane. His damage in teamfights also seems to be considerably better. I easily topped every chart in the 2 matches I played yesterday, and I rarely ever played Xul before.
As for Stukov, he seems fairly easy to play alright with, but very hard to play to his highest potential if you go the W trait build.
As for Stukov, he seems fairly easy to play alright with, but very hard to play to his highest potential if you go the W trait build.
If somebody tries to queue as a new hero on launch day it extends the usual queue time by a lot. Yesterday when I was playing with milly and rick it easily tripled the usual queue time. Also, if you guys really start playing at 10pm I probably won't be able to make it to most group ups if that's the case. That's where I usually go to bed lol.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
1v1ing Zera as Uther lol, and not to forget to BM him afterwards.
It's on Reddit, it's hilarious.Not loading for me
Oh my god. I play Abathur a lot, when Stukov is affordable I have to try doing this with my friend.
Orochinagis
Member
For the NighFallen! and dailies, and world dailies, dailies
Why not take the Cursed Strike talent instead of Skeleton Quest? The cooldown reduction from it is massive and allows you to keep clearing waves fast + do big team fight damage more regularly.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
having tried all the builds I gotta side with dahbomb. Ketch's build with W talent at 4.
Alright completed regen master with leoric in 13 minutes only problem was that we won at that point.
Alright completed regen master with leoric in 13 minutes only problem was that we won at that point.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
So last night we tried to 5 man unranked. We could not find a match. Then we tried to 5 man ranked. Couldn't find a match. Only when we did QM did we find matches and even then it took a while. What is up with that??
I tried it, it's not nearly as good.
The spread on the extra scythes plus not having bonus range anymore makes it pretty useless I think. Decent fir spreading mortal wounds around but it doesn't do nearly the damage as executioner + vulnerability.
I like the skele quest over the curse talent because curse CD doesn't give you any extra damage. It's probably good vs multiple melee but it's not like xul needs more help clearing waves. So I don't think it's necessary. Like I would probably get it if I was going attack speed instead of executioner at 13. But I think skele quest synergieses better with executioner/vulnerability/lvl 20 mages.
Skeleton quest turns your E into a point & click nuke that also roots (and slows after 20 so they can't run as far before it procs). Like you can just click it on a squishy target and you don't even have to chase them.
Idk man. How long did you wait? There's supposed to be a 10 min cap until it stops caring about fairness at all. I would guess there's a wide MMR disparity amongst the group members or somebody's internet/ISP is fucking it up.
It's clearly not though.
There's a difference between couldn't find a match and didn't want to wait for a match.
Not that I blame you for not waiting, but words have meaning
Imagine if, instead of switching ques, you just waited 5 more minutes in the original que.
scoobs
Member
The mass AOE hero damage Q build does is absurd, you'll top meters without risking positioning basically at all. He's kind of a mage with Q talents and Bone Spear.
Yeah I tried the Q build in Try mode, I was surprised at how much you were able to spam the Q. You turn into a midrange type hero with that build. Once you have the Quest activated, you can do Q with essentially 0 up time because by the time the double scythes come back you will be able to do another Q.
It's certainly a lot different than the W build. Safer, poke heavy. I don't know which is better, I prefer the W build because it's flashier and the slashes feel hella satisfying when you cleave a bunch of enemies at once. I kinda wished they had retained the slow talent for the Q.
It's certainly a lot different than the W build. Safer, poke heavy. I don't know which is better, I prefer the W build because it's flashier and the slashes feel hella satisfying when you cleave a bunch of enemies at once. I kinda wished they had retained the slow talent for the Q.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
no need for a w build the lvl 4 talent is the only one you need and I think jailor is fairly neglectable anyways even in a trait build.
It doesn't make any sense to only get the CDR.