Razorback
Member
Fair enough. I tend to believe that if they preached what's actually in the bible it would drive people away. But in reality there are a lot of examples of people becoming even bigger fundamentalists when the text is more extreme.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
"Hey, atheists! You can go to heaven too!" - The Pope
- Thread starter NotTheGuyYouKill
- Start date
- Status
Fair enough. I tend to believe that if they preached what's actually in the bible it would drive people away. But in reality there are a lot of examples of people becoming even bigger fundamentalists when the text is more extreme.
Americans conservatives are some of the most vile human beings I've ever seen. How can anyone watch this video and think these people are mentally balanced is beyond me. Do they ever stop being angry ?
Androidsleeps
Member
Which heaven? The one in which god is a whore-monger who provides a supply of godly virgins?
Haha! All those people going to church like a bunch of chumps. **Reclines in couch**
MisterR
Member
Oh they care. They wrap a ton of their bullshit in religion and that hate a major religious figure saying this stuff.
Maybe Pope Frank's conception God DGAF kinda like him and just loves everybody (except fiscal conservatives), who knows, maybe his idea of heaven isn't all ceramic angels playing trumpets. Maybe he's agnostic and not telling anybody. Who knows man, this Pope is so different. Also I think the Catholic idea behind heaven is good works, as in like soup kitchens and clothing drops and helping motorcyclists that fell off their motorcycle more than rah rah rah Jesus'ing.
Pope spreads the good word that GAF is going to heaven.
GAF is like
Ha. Very accurate especially considering the reactions after this post.
Pope spreads the good word that GAF is going to heaven.
GAF is like
I am hesitant to applaud people for becoming a bit less batshit crazy than before. I'd like to think that non-insanity should be the default state of people, not something that is an accomplishment.
It's not really humanity's most impressive achievement to realize that it is a bad idea to tell people that they are going to suffer for eternity, simply for not believing on insufficient evidence that a volcano god sacrificed himself to himself, so that this blood sacrifice would override a cosmic rule he himself set up, which condemns everyone on earth to eternal suffering, just because an alleged ancient ancestor of all humans dared to acquire capabilities for ethical reasoning, unless you symbolically accept that blood sacrifice and eat the literal body of that god every Sunday morning.
I wouldn't surprise me if he actually believed that, but he didn't say it, and it's because that would've been quite openly heresy. Extra Ecclesiam nulla sallus is not something he can reject publicly.
He's saying you can be an atheist in life and still be saved but only if you accept God after death with a sincere heart. The only salvation is through Him, and Bergoglio did not say otherwise. This is a point of contention between "progressive" catholics (actually apostates) and traditional ones, but whether or not it's heresy it's up for interpretation. In my opinion, it is, and it's part of the reason I'm a sedevacantist.
Traditional catholics believe you cannot be saved if you reject the Church in life, knowing it is the only way to salvation. This means not only atheists cannot be saved, the same applies to protestants and followers of any other religion who, despite being aware of the Church (those who don't even know it exists cannot be condemned), reject the Church.
This part is key: "if you go to Him"
He's saying you can be an atheist in life and still be saved but only if you accept God after death with a sincere heart. The only salvation is through Him, and Bergoglio did not say otherwise. This is a point of contention between "progressive" catholics (actually apostates) and traditional ones, but whether or not it's heresy it's up for interpretation. In my opinion, it is, and it's part of the reason I'm a sedevacantist.
Traditional catholics believe you cannot be saved if you reject the Church in life, knowing it is the only way to salvation. This means not only atheists cannot be saved, the same applies to protestants and followers of any other religion who, despite being aware of the Church (those who don't even know it exists cannot be condemned), reject the Church.
Wag
Member
To be anti-abortion in all cases (even rape and incest?)
The Faceless Master
Member
thanks buddy, but that's not what the stats show...
Why would conservatives love him? Most hard right conservatives are evangelicals.
CelticKnight
Member
I doubt God would let me in.
He'll lock the gates and take my weekend pass away.
He'll lock the gates and take my weekend pass away.
They don't like him. The only person that likes him is Bernie Sanders. Both have been called socialists a lot by conservatives. He'll be on Bernie Sanders' presidential cabinet for suuuuuuure.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Easily the most euphoric post I've ever seen on GAF.
Pope spreads the good word that GAF is going to heaven.
GAF is like
This is like reading a thread in /r/Atheism.
partyphone
Banned
that's nice. I'm glad the pope is nicer than most popes.
Conkersbadfurday
Member
I'm still probably doomed to hell though 
More whores and Jack Daniels there.
More whores and Jack Daniels there.
If something like heaven existed of course I would like to go there, some people are being silly here to be honest. "There is this place of awesome grace, beauty and eternal bliss" "eww I won't go because religion", It's kind of disappointing atheists can be so militant.
However even previous popes have said heaven (and hell for that matter) are more of a mental state than actual, physical places, people tend to forget how out there is catholicism compared to protestantism and other branches. I see catholicism accepting things like women as priests and even homosexuality way before any of the other doctrines, not that it will happen in our lifetime anyway, but catholicism its like that.
Do you think all believers are like this? that they are only decent because they fear the consequences?
However even previous popes have said heaven (and hell for that matter) are more of a mental state than actual, physical places, people tend to forget how out there is catholicism compared to protestantism and other branches. I see catholicism accepting things like women as priests and even homosexuality way before any of the other doctrines, not that it will happen in our lifetime anyway, but catholicism its like that.
Do you think all believers are like this? that they are only decent because they fear the consequences?
NobleGundam
Banned
I'll make my own heaven. "With Blackjack and Hookers!"
*tips fedora
lastplayed
Member
All those crusaders wasted their time.
As if that was the point of their crusading.
blame space
Banned
this pope owns
I shall not mock the media's response to this pope when he finally abandons the catholic church's atrocious positions on contraceptives, especially considering the damage they cause in places like central Africa, or does similar things on that scope. Until then, this "euphoria" with every non-confrontational vague statement this pope makes seems superficial and naive to me.
Conversely, voicing a vague position on catholic doctrine is pretty much irrelevant for the addressed audience. "Hey you guys who don't believe in that stuff anyway, you can get the goodies at the end of the tunnel too!". What other response than mild mockery is there to expect?
Gnome Scat
Member
Thanks Pope. We got your back too if we turn out to be right.
Lionel Mandrake
Member
They'll let anyone in these days.
AcademicSaucer
Member
CornBurrito
Member
I mean anyone can change the rules of the religion at will. Look how many branches of Christianity there are alone.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
Does this still apply or has the offer expired.
partyphone
Banned
there are a few things they can fudge with because of Matthew 18:18-19 but they can't touch any revealed truths. so the pope can kinda do this? I guess it would rely on whether or not you've denied the holy ghost? but I don't have a super good grasp of ecclesiastical rulemaking procedures. the Catholic church has more obscure rules than a pokemon game.
I'm not familiar with Matthew 18:18-19 and the Holy Ghost, maybe is the guy who impregnated Mary?
partyphone
Banned
to me it's the sort of atheist that delights in just sitting on believers simply for believing.
people should be treated with respect unless they're just complete fucking assholes. it's much more productive to attack bad ideas and intellectual dishonesty. which is there is plenty of from both theists and atheists.
- Status