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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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thaivo

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Chemo said:
Hahah. No.
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You must be from the future then. The future is a scary looking place... :lol

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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
DarkJediKnight said:
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An awesome example to SHUT UP those annoying "How do I get rid of black bars" crowd.

Shows you how much you're missing on a 16:9 tv with a 2:35:1 master.
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OAR for life.
 
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thaivo

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DarkJediKnight said:
An awesome example to SHUT UP those annoying "How do I get rid of black bars" crowd.
Shows you how much you're missing on a 16:9 tv with a 2:35:1 master.
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They should have showed scenes where speaking characters would be excised to hammer down the point. Although, I actually enjoy 1.85:1 movies better than larger aspect ratios, I think they were also able to concentrate more on image quality (i.e., lower compression) with the larger aspect ratio because they don't have to contend with that extra 25% of the screen.

I wonder if in the future, especially with the storage capabilities of the HDM disks, we could see a 1.85 & 2.35:1 encodes made available on a single disk. It's probably highly unlikely, but sure would be nice.
 
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Smidget

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thaivo said:
I wonder if in the future, especially with the storage capabilities of the HDM disks, we could see a 1.85 & 2.35:1 encodes made available on a single disk. It's probably highly unlikely, but sure would be nice.
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People can just use their zoom features on their TVs for people who need to have no black bars. I don't want the quality of my HD media being in question for non-OAR people.
 
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thaivo

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Smidget said:
People can just use their zoom features on their TVs for people who need to have no black bars. I don't want the quality of my HD media being in question for non-OAR people.
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I may be wrong, but I don't think that's a capability with most TV's when they receive 1080p signals. Mine goes from 4:3 and 16:9, no zooming for HD content.

You can however, zoom with your HD player, but it looks like ass. I don't have any complaints about black bars really though. It's just a nice bonus to me when the movie is shot in the 16:9 aspect ratio (e.g., Goodfellas, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Children fo Men, etc.)
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
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OokieSpookie

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xS1TH L0RDx said:
not sure if this has been mentioned already, but i thought it was interesting.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/fighting-for-life/xbox-360-hd-dvd-sales-jump-1000-285279.php

not sure how reliable the site kotaku links to is, but still, interesting.
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As I said in the thread on the other side, that means nothing.
Since the PS3 price drop the PS3 has pretty much perched at #1 on Amazon and had a really nice % of increase.

In the long run those stats mean nothing at all.
 
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mrklaw

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DarkJediKnight said:
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An awesome example to SHUT UP those annoying "How do I get rid of black bars" crowd.

Shows you how much you're missing on a 16:9 tv with a 2:35:1 master.
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This is a good example (OAR Vs 4:3, but you get the idea): http://www.widescreen.org/examples/starwars/index.shtml

Where is Chewy!? whole characters being chopped out of the picture. And thats without losing the framing of the original director & cinematographer.

No excuse for non-OAR. Don't care if they ship a gimped version as long as there is always OAR and it doesn't suffer because of it.
 
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thaivo

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StoOgE said:
Yes, but if MS sold 1 unit the day before, and sold 1000 units the next day, thats a 1000 percent jump.
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Actually that would be a 100,000% jump. What's most interesting is the fact that the HD-DVD add on is actually sold out at most Best Buys because of the sale. I'm not sure they had a really large number on hand though.

Hopefully, MS will lower the price again sometime hear the holidays to spur additional sales.
 
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Petrarca

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HD DVD: Fight or Quit (Preferably Quit)

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/james-hibberd/2007/08/hd_dvd_fight_or_quit_preferabl.php

Let’s take a moment to push for the end of the pointless war that nobody wanted; the costly quagmire that’s drained resources and consumed the media with its constant, bloody scrimmages.

In the past few weeks, Sony’s Blu-ray next-generation DVD format has enjoyed several victories over Toshiba’s rival HD DVD: Target will sell only Blu-ray players this holiday season. The East Coast chain BJ’s Warehouse Club will exclusively sell Blu-ray titles. Steven Spielberg announced he will release his first movie in a high-def format, “Close Encounters of the Third Kind,” on Blu-ray. The Japanese porn industry has embraced Blu-ray. Even thieves robbing a Seattle store cleaned out its stock of Blu-ray discs, leaving HD DVD titles behind (how sad, chortle the bloggers, HD DVD movies are not even worth stealing).

Coming shortly after Blockbuster’s announcement that the chain will mainly stock Blu-ray titles, the headlines paint a portrait of pending HD DVD doom. All that's left is a period of Toshiba desperately hanging on. The face-saving final efforts. The company’s fingers slipping from the edge of the format-war cliff and blissfully falling into Betamax oblivion.

Trouble is, rooting for a Sony win feels like cheering for a fighter throwing low blows when the referee’s not looking. Sony stuffed 4 million overpriced PlayStation 3 units with similarly overpriced Blu-ray players and leveraged its relationship with studios to monopolize distribution of key DVD titles.

Just as important, but little noticed, is that Sony has been wildly effective at generating headlines declaring Blu-ray victories—even when the triumphs are modest. BJ’s Warehouse Club? Japanese porn? “Close Encounters”? Minor accomplishments that are killing HD DVD. When consumers think Blu-ray has won, it has.

This isn’t to say Blu-ray isn’t winning in less superficial respects. See this big brick wall of blue? That’s how often Blu-ray titles topped HD DVD in a variety of sales categories on Amazon.com. The week of July 22, Blu-ray captured 74 percent of high-def disc sales to HD DVD’s 26 percent, according to Nielsen VideoScan. Not good.

Toshiba has sold more stand-alone players, mainly because Blu-ray players cost $999 earlier this year and are still currently overpriced at $479. HD DVD players have dived to $243, and Xbox 360’s add-on HD-DVD units now sell for $179. Many consumers are snapping up Toshiba’s reasonably priced high-def player to accompany their new HDTV set without realizing the carnage-filled battlefield they’re stumbling onto.

“Every time Sony pulls a press prank, HD DVD counters with a price drop,” smartly notes one of many HD DVD fans on AVS Forum. But Toshiba is nearing the bottom for DVD player pricing, while Sony has a long way to go.

Recently a research company predicted the high-def format battle will continue well into 2012, with both sides evenly splitting the market. This nightmarish conclusion ignores the real sentiment driving the war’s end game: Studios don’t want two formats. Retailers don’t want two formats. Consumers don’t want two formats.

And when studios almost entirely align under Blu-ray, retailers begin exclusively stocking Blu-ray products, customers prefer Blu-ray titles, and the press writes stories of Blu-ray victories … then HD DVD really is wasting time hanging on the cliff’s edge.

Toshiba needs to start generating some victory-lap “press prank” headlines of their own—or let go.
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Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
To be fair to Toshiba, they're generally a pretty high quality CE company. In all this format war shuffle, most people have probably already forgotten that they're the other company that invested in CELL.

It's just sad that their higher ups couldn't let go of their 'samurai pride', and concede the issue before the format war started. Now they're been played by Universal and MS... neither of those companies have a lot to lose when HD-DVD goes down. Universal jumps over after reigning over HD-DVD. MS is just laughing at everyone.
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

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http://whathifi.com/home-cinema/archive/2007/08/01/the-answer-comes-out-of-the-blu.aspx

But I can't help wondering whether a brace of Sony Blu-ray players selling for £350 and £275 might not be just the kick up the backside the format needs here in the UK. After all, something like 1400 Blu-ray players - standalone ones, not including PS3s -
have been sold so far in the UK.

In the same period Sony Pictures have sold 2.2m DVDs of Casino Royale.
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Only 1400 standalone Blu-ray players sold in the UK?!?!!? Ouch...
 
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djkimothy

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Forsete

Forsete

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The Main Event said:
Only 1400 standalone Blu-ray players sold in the UK?!?!!? Ouch...
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I love how HD-DVD backers ignore PS3. :)

Anyway, is it too late for Toshiba to jump on the Blu-Ray bandwagon? If they would drop HD-DVD - somethime in the future, could they possibly start making BD hardware or are those bridges burned?
 
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Crayon Shinchan

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Forsete said:
I love how HD-DVD backers ignore PS3. :)

Anyway, is it too late for Toshiba to jump on the Blu-Ray bandwagon? If they would drop HD-DVD - somethime in the future, could they possibly start making BD hardware or are those bridges burned?
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I bet is Toshiba will start manufacturing combo players.
 
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OokieSpookie

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Not sure if this has been mentioned but as I was putting together a dell laptop for a friend, they are now offering bluray drives in their systems and also sell stand along bluray players and blank bluray media.
 
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Raistlin

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Forsete said:
I love how HD-DVD backers ignore PS3. :)

Anyway, is it too late for Toshiba to jump on the Blu-Ray bandwagon? If they would drop HD-DVD - somethime in the future, could they possibly start making BD hardware or are those bridges burned?
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I'm sure the BDA would be more than happy to grant Toshiba a license.


That said, its not like they really are in dire need of more CE's ... they're already kicking HD DVD's ass in that regard. I wouldn't be surprised if they would only do it if Toshiba kills HD DVD.



That reminds me, iirc ... Onkyo's HD DVD player still seems to be MIA. If the BDA was smart, they'd be wheeling and dealing with Onkyo to get them to abandon that entirely, and instead release a BD player (who knows, part or all of that may have already happened).

It would certainly be a pretty sweet PR feather. Just think of the headline, "Onkyo aborts HD DVD player; full steam ahead with BD". :p
 
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OokieSpookie said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned but as I was putting together a dell laptop for a friend, they are now offering bluray drives in their systems and also sell stand along bluray players and blank bluray media.
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Yeah ... it really ain't good for HD DVD. Part of the problem is their issues getting dual-layered burners working (BD had them before they even got dual-layered ROMs in mass production).

Other than Toshiba's own players, only one or two other companies are building PC/laptops with HD DVD players.

For BD, we have Sony, Dell, Apple, and maybe a few others. Just like with SW title release counts ... it isn't just the actual numbers that are important ... but the releases themselves. The PC companies now starting to support BD sell more units, and in the case of Apple ... sell the only units for their OS.
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
New to this thread, so be calm :). I want these titles for Blu-ray, when do they get released?

300
V for Vendetta
Shawshank Redemption
Spiderman-trilogy
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Lord of the Rings-trilogy
Starwars-series
Sin City
Forrest Gump
Leon
Lost in Translation
Oceans Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen
Chronicles of Riddick
Silent Hill

Thank you :)
 
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Petrarca

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Seiken said:
New to this thread, so be calm :). I want these titles for Blu-ray, when do they get released?

300
V for Vendetta
Shawshank Redemption
Spiderman-trilogy
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Lord of the Rings-trilogy
Starwars-series
Sin City
Forrest Gump
Leon
Lost in Translation
Oceans Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen
Chronicles of Riddick
Silent Hill

Thank you :)
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300 blu-ray just came out 2 days ago. Spiderman trilogy is most likely this winter.

other big titles won't be released till the dust is settled
 
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CSSer

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300 - already released this past week
V for Vendetta - When Warner wants to...
Shawshank Redemption - Unknown
Spiderman-trilogy - No official date, but maybe this fall when Spiderman 3 will supposedly be released
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children - No official date, maybe this fall
Lord of the Rings-trilogy - Unknown
Starwars-series - When the format war is over
Sin City - Unknown, has been rumored for quite some time on Disney's promotions
Forrest Gump - Unknown
Leon - Unknown
Lost in Translation - Universal Studios movie, so when ever they support blu-ray
Oceans Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen - Rumored for fall
Chronicles of Riddick - Universal Studios movie, so when ever they support blu-ray
Silent Hill - Unknown
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
CSSer said:
300 - already released this past week
V for Vendetta - When Warner wants to...
Shawshank Redemption - Unknown
Spiderman-trilogy - No official date, but maybe this fall when Spiderman 3 will supposedly be released
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children - No official date, maybe this fall
Lord of the Rings-trilogy - Unknown
Starwars-series - When the format war is over
Sin City - Unknown
Forrest Gump - Unknown
Leon - Unknown
Lost in Translation - Universal Studios movie, so when ever they support blu-ray
Oceans Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen - Rumored for fall
Chronicles of Riddick - Universal Studios movie, so when ever they support blu-ray
Silent Hill - Unknown
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Damn :(...
 
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CSSer

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I'm not 100% sure on some of them because I haven't really been following the press releases. Maybe Disney/Fox/Warner will make a big blu-ray splash this fall....
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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“Every time Sony pulls a press prank, HD DVD counters with a price drop,” smartly notes one of many HD DVD fans on AVS Forum. But Toshiba is nearing the bottom for DVD player pricing, while Sony has a long way to go.
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Based on the press, the price ought to be dropping every few days now... :)
 
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el Diablo

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Seiken said:
New to this thread, so be calm :). I want these titles for Blu-ray, when do they get released?

300
V for Vendetta
Shawshank Redemption
Spiderman-trilogy
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Lord of the Rings-trilogy
Starwars-series
Sin City
Forrest Gump
Leon
Lost in Translation
Oceans Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen
Chronicles of Riddick
Silent Hill

Thank you :)
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They covered most of it. Only caveat is that Silent Hill is also already out.

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DarkJediKnight

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Crayon Shinchan said:
To be fair to Toshiba, they're generally a pretty high quality CE company.
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When I think of high quality, Toshiba doesn't come to mind. With that said, I do own the XA2 HD DVD player. But its contruction and operation feels flimsy compared to my old Denon DVD player and my Sony BDP-S300 Blu-ray.
 
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djkimothy

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Ignatz Mouse said:
Still holding back my "woo" for an official announcement, but here's hoping we get The Whole Bloody Affair on Blu.
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Yah that's my hope. :)

Oh look, the cat is after the mouse again. Or it could be after Oni's...
 
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Chemo

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Ignatz Mouse said:
Still holding back my "woo" for an official announcement, but here's hoping we get The Whole Bloody Affair on Blu.
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Honestly, when I read the post that's what I thought about instantly: The Whole Bloody Affair. I don't think it's been lost on The Weinstein Company that this long-awaited cut of Kill Bill falls directly in line with the PS3's target demographic. They'd lose a lot of money not capitalizing on that market.
 
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yacobod

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my hot fuzz hd-dvd came in the mail today, i just got finished watching it

i'm gonna have to say the reviews are right on the money

the PQ/AQ is phenomenal, and the movie is actually pretty funny, i really enjoyed it

i havent checked out any of the extras yet, but looks like theres an assload of stuff if you're into that
 
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HomerSimpson-Man

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DarkJediKnight said:
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An awesome example to SHUT UP those annoying "How do I get rid of black bars" crowd.

Shows you how much you're missing on a 16:9 tv with a 2:35:1 master.
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I think 300 is slightly longer than 2:35:1 it's like 2:40:1.

Holy crap, imagine how badly butchered on *shudder* fullframe. O_O
 
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Raistlin

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HomerSimpson-Man said:
I think 300 is slightly longer than 2:35:1 it's like 2:40:1.

Holy crap, imagine how badly butchered on *shudder* fullframe. O_O
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PLEASE tell me they didn't release a full frame version :x
 
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el Diablo

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The Spiderman movies will be out Oct. 30th.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...er-Man_Trilogy_to_Spin_Its_Web_on_Blu-ray/838

hidefdigest said:
Ending months of anticipation, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment has officially announced it will bring the complete 'Spider-Man' trilogy to Blu-ray this October.

Considered one of the "holy grails" of Blu-ray ever since the format launched last year, a next-gen release of the 'Spider-Man' films has been the subject of endless speculation for months.

Now, timed to coincide with the home video of 'Spider-Man 3,' Sony has at last confirmed it will bring the blockbuster comic book trilogy to Blu-ray on October 30 in what is sure to be one of the format's biggest sellers.

Arriving day-and-date with the standard-def DVD version, Sony will load the Blu-ray edition of 'Spider-Man 3' with a wealth of extras, including multiple audio commentaries with director Sam Raimi, stars Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst, and other cast and crew members, nearly a dozen featurettes, and more.

In addition, on October 30 Sony will also debut the 'Spider-Man High-Definition Trilogy,' a box set containing all three films in the franchise.

Full specs and pricing information is not yet available, but the studio has informed us that a full press release will be forthcoming sometime in the next several hours.

We'll certainly keep you posted as soon as the details hit the wire. Stay tuned!

In anticipation of the full press release, we've added new listings for both 'Spider-Man 3' and the 'Spider-Man High-Definition Trilogy' to Blu-ray Release Schedule, under October 30.
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HomerSimpson-Man

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Ignatz Mouse said:
As long as Blockbuster and Wal*Mart exist, there will be Full Frame releases of every major movie.
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Just for laughs (or the tears) someone should put in lines to simulate fullframe to see how bad it is, I mean jeez even in 16:9 you lose a lot!
 
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OokieSpookie

Banned
HomerSimpson-Man said:
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Just for laughs (or the tears) someone should put in lines to simulate fullframe to see how bad it is, I mean jeez even in 16:9 you lose a lot!
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*cringes and thinks back on 'pan and scan'*
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
300 is selling really well on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. We sold out again of our HD-DVD copies and sold all but 2 of the Blu-Ray versions. I looked at the other 10 stores in the area and all but two were sold out of HD-DVD, for a grand total of 3 remaining copies, and only 4 stores had the BR version. This will end up being the best selling HD/BR movie for a long while, I presume.
 
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favouriteflavour

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DarkJediKnight said:
When I think of high quality, Toshiba doesn't come to mind. With that said, I do own the XA2 HD DVD player. But its contruction and operation feels flimsy compared to my old Denon DVD player and my Sony BDP-S300 Blu-ray.
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Actually Toshiba make some very good and highly regarded DVD players.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

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AlteredBeast said:
300 is selling really well on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. We sold out again of our HD-DVD copies and sold all but 2 of the Blu-Ray versions. I looked at the other 10 stores in the area and all but two were sold out of HD-DVD, for a grand total of 3 remaining copies, and only 4 stores had the BR version. This will end up being the best selling HD/BR movie for a long while, I presume.
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I wonder how many copies those store received.
 
Mustaphadamus

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Petrarca said:
HD DVD: Fight or Quit (Preferably Quit)

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/james-hibberd/2007/08/hd_dvd_fight_or_quit_preferabl.php
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Gotta say, who ever wrote this has no clue about how business works. Sony didn't do anything that any other business hasn't done. That guy needs to read Sun Tzu's art of war, cause that is all it boils down to in relation to a capitalistic market. If you get money, or know how to get it, then you have to respect Sony's movement on this one.
 
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