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[Petrarca]

Holy shit!!!!


miracles do happen, I'm off the hook :lol :lol


edit: mods are definitely pro-HD-DVD



...joking ok, don't crucify me

 

[KachoMakura]

Uh oh.

What does Toshiba have left to spin.

So anyway HD DVD is dead already. Just a matter of time to see if Blu Ray will go down with it or succeed. Hopefully Paramount and Universal get their heads on straight and realize there is a potential HD DISC market out there that could succeed, but won't until those two hop onboard.

Oh please. Up until now Blu-Ray has had the lionshare of studio support. This is the main reason Blu-Ray has been number 1.

Toshiba has effectively nullified this advantage(with some saying Toshiba has the edge now) aswell as lowering prices and upping their marketing for the holidays. The war is far from over. Using your logic Fox and Disney are stupid for not becoming format neutral and leating the potential HD Disc market succeed. I'm sure we both know which format(with the lower prices) would take off if that were to ever happen...

 

[VanMardigan]

Not to mention that Blu Ray simply isn't ready for mainstream success this year. Their BD 50 yields are still terrible, and Sony wouldn't be able to continue to afford subsidizing the low yields if disc sales take off. The slow adoption rate is actually allowing Sony to continue to improve their yields and manufacturing with relatively little pressure.

 

[XMonkey]

Toshiba has effectively nullified this advantage(with some saying Toshiba has the edge now)

Uh, no they haven't. If people think getting Paramount gave them the edge in studio support they aren't thinking rationally.

Not to mention that Blu Ray simply isn't ready for mainstream success this year. Their BD 50 yields are still terrible, and Sony wouldn't be able to continue to afford subsidizing the low yields if disc sales take off.

What are you talking about??

 

[captive]

Not to mention that Blu Ray simply isn't ready for mainstream success this year. Their BD 50 yields are still terrible, and Sony wouldn't be able to continue to afford subsidizing the low yields if disc sales take off. The slow adoption rate is actually allowing Sony to continue to improve their yields and manufacturing with relatively little pressure.

Source or you just spreading FUD again?


A Few Good Men review
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/655/fewgoodmen.html
Video 4.5/5 stars

I actually dont own this on DVD, so i will have to pick this up.

 

[Flo_Evans]

:lol

It seems like the end is near!

Honestly I think toshiba fucked up their branding. Calling it HD-DVD (which was seen as a plus for name recognition by supporters) seems to be having the opposite effect by not differentiating it enough from DVD. By slashing the prices on their players to grab marketshare, they have made themselves look like the inferior product. People that are jumping on the HD bandwagon at this point do not want budget players. They want the best. BLURAY for life!

Perhaps the lower cost strategy will work in their favor this xmas where people are buying for others and not themselves, but we will see.

 

[ChrisJames]

Uh oh.

What does Toshiba have left to spin.

So anyway HD DVD is dead already. Just a matter of time to see if Blu Ray will go down with it or succeed. Hopefully Paramount and Universal get their heads on straight and realize there is a potential HD DISC market out there that could succeed, but won't until those two hop onboard.

:lol :lol LMAO So now HD DVD is dead again? Good to know.

go watch some more TV shows...

 

[KachoMakura]

Uh, no they haven't. If people think getting Paramount gave them the edge in studio support they aren't thinking rationally.

8 out of the top 15 grossing movies of the year are on HD-DVD.

 

[Forsete]

:lol :lol LMAO So now HD DVD is dead again? Good to know.

go watch some more TV shows...

When was it not dead?

8 out of the top 15 grossing movies of the year are on HD-DVD.

How many are exclusive?

 

[ChrisJames]

When was it not dead?

It's every bit as "dead" as Blu-Ray...

 

[XMonkey]

8 out of the top 15 grossing movies of the year are on HD-DVD.

Exclusively on HD-DVD?

 

[Zen]

oh snap! Its amazing how even when the PS3 has been the cheapest and best Blu-Ray player on the market, BD standalones still outsell the cheaper more “complete” HD-DVD standalone players.

According to a picture here: http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=3084&p=10

Don’t know if it’s accurate or not but here’s the breakdown:

Blu-ray: 55%
HD DVD: 43%
Dual: 2%

Maybe I'm retarded but I couldn't find it what page?

 

[SRG01]

It's every bit as dead as Blu-Ray...

Oh, GTFO. :lol Are you implying that manufacturer and studio support, not to mention CE companies, equals a dead format?

 

[SRG01]

Maybe I'm retarded but I couldn't find it what page?

Two pages back, near the bottom I think.

 

[reilo]

Maybe I'm retarded but I couldn't find it what page?

EDIT: NM. These fuckers are good at hotlinking.

 

[VanMardigan]

More of those top grossing films would be exclusive to HD DVD, any way you spin it. Because the only neutral studio is Warner. So say Warner has 4 of those top grossing films, that's 4 on both sides, with the difference still being higher on HD DVD.

 

[Forsete]

Exclusively on HD-DVD?

Nope.. of the 15, 5 are exclusive.
The number for exclusive BD movies out of the top 15 is 7.

1 Spider-Man 3 Sony $336,530,303 4,324 $151,116,516 4,252 5/4 -
2 Shrek the Third P/DW $321,012,359 4,172 $121,629,270 4,122 5/18 8/9
3 Transformers P/DW $310,651,240 4,050 $70,502,384 4,011 7/3 -
4 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End BV $308,681,208 4,362 $114,732,820 4,362 5/25 -
5 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix WB $286,953,794 4,285 $77,108,414 4,285 7/11 -
6 300 WB $210,614,939 3,280 $70,885,301 3,103 3/9 7/12
7 The Bourne Ultimatum Uni. $203,484,905 3,701 $69,283,690 3,660 8/3 -
8 Ratatouille BV $201,321,358 3,940 $47,027,395 3,940 6/29 -
9 The Simpsons Movie Fox $178,697,093 3,926 $74,036,787 3,922 7/27 -
10 Wild Hogs BV $168,273,550 3,401 $39,699,023 3,287 3/2 8/2
11 Knocked Up Uni. $148,192,755 2,975 $30,690,990 2,871 6/1 -
12 Live Free or Die Hard Fox $133,638,992 3,411 $33,369,559 3,408 6/27 -
13 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer Fox $131,604,701 3,963 $58,051,684 3,959 6/15 -
14 Rush Hour 3 NL $123,145,000 3,778 $49,100,158 3,778 8/10 -
15 Blades of Glory P/DW $118,245,842 3,467 $33,014,202 3,372 3/30 7/12

 

[ChrisJames]

Oh, GTFO. :lol Are you implying that manufacturer and studio support, not to mention CE companies, equals a dead format?

I was being sarcastic...

Neither format is dead and anyone who truly believes that is in for a surprise.

 

[Manmademan]

How many are exclusive?

1 Spider-Man 3 Sony $336,530,303
2 Shrek the Third P/DW $321,012,359
3 Transformers P/DW $310,651,240
4 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End BV $308,681,208
5 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix WB $286,953,794
6 300 WB $210,614,939
7 The Bourne Ultimatum Uni. $203,484,905
8 Ratatouille BV $201,321,358
9 The Simpsons Movie Fox $178,697,093
10 Wild Hogs BV $168,273,550
11 Knocked Up Uni. $148,192,755
12 Live Free or Die Hard Fox $133,638,992
13 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer Fox $131,604,701
14 Rush Hour 3 NL $123,145,000
15 Blades of Glory P/DW $118,245,842

looks like blu-ray still has the advantage here. I also don't see "superbad" which should do well on home video also.

 

[VanMardigan]

Nope.. of the 15, 5 are exclusive.
The number for exclusive BD movies out of the top 15 is 7.

So no Warner movies in the top 15??

 

[Forsete]

So no Warner movies in the top 15??

I said exclusive. Warner am multiplatform 360/PS3 total.

 

[distantmantra]

So no Warner movies in the top 15??

Yeah, if 7 + 5 = 15.

 

[reilo]

So no Warner movies in the top 15??

5 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix WB $286,953,794 4,285 $77,108,414 4,285 7/11 -
6 300 WB $210,614,939 3,280 $70,885,301 3,103 3/9 7/12

 

[thaivo]

It seems like the end is near!

I love it when BD supporters ring the death knell. :lol It's happend so many times, and for so long, that it's getting rather comedic.

Honestly I think toshiba fucked up their branding. Calling it HD-DVD (which was seen as a plus for name recognition by supporters) seems to be having the opposite effect by not differentiating it enough from DVD.

Most would argue the complete opposite, as name recognition is one of, if not the primary reason for marketing. To say that having the letters "DVD" in HD DVD is a disadvantage is laughable.

By slashing the prices on their players to grab marketshare, they have made themselves look like the inferior product. People that are jumping on the HD bandwagon at this point do not want budget players. They want the best. BLURAY for life!

Perhaps the lower cost strategy will work in their favor this xmas where people are buying for others and not themselves, but we will see.

I agree, early adopters generally are not as cost-sensitive as the general public... but that is the entire point, isn't it? They are not the general public.

 

[The Main Event]

Uh oh.

What does Toshiba have left to spin.

So anyway HD DVD is dead already. Just a matter of time to see if Blu Ray will go down with it or succeed. Hopefully Paramount and Universal get their heads on straight and realize there is a potential HD DISC market out there that could succeed, but won't until those two hop onboard.

It's that time of the week again!!!

 

[Oni Jazar]

8 out of the top 15 grossing movies of the year are on HD-DVD.

I count 7 of the top 15. (Shrek, Transformers, HP5, 300, Bourne, Knocked Up, Blades of Glory)

edit: Forgot about New Line.

BTW For the top 10.

3 out of the 10 top grossing films are exclusive to HD-DVD.

5 out of the 10 top grossing films are exclusive to Blu-ray.

2 are neutral.

Here is the list:

1 Spider-Man 3 Sony
2 Shrek the Third P/DW
3 Transformers P/DW
4 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End BV
5 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix WB
6 300 WB
7 The Bourne Ultimatum Uni.
8 Ratatouille BV
9 The Simpsons Movie Fox
10 Wild Hogs BV
11 Knocked Up Uni.
12 Live Free or Die Hard Fox
13 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer Fox
14 Rush Hour 3 NL
15 Blades of Glory

 

[VanMardigan]

So that's 10/15 for Blu and 8/15 for HD DVD

Damn, that Paramount announcement was a real life saver.

 

[Forsete]

Way to go to 15 there tiger.

3 out of the 10 top grossing films are exclusive to HD-DVD.

5 out of the 10 top grossing films are exclusive to Blu-ray.

2 are neutral.

Top 3 dude!

66% of the top 3 titles are HD-DVD xXxclusive!
Only 33% is on the failed format we know as Blu-Ray.

Damn, that Paramount announcement was a real life saver.

Life support, as its time limited. :lol

 

[maynerd]

You guys see this?

http://www.electronichouse.com/article/star_trek_coming_to_hd_dvd_with_phaser_remote/C157

“Star Trek” Coming to HD DVD—With Phaser Remote
Set your faces to stun: Toshiba and CBS have entered into a partnership that would unleash 10 discs in HD DVD.

Latest in HD DVD“Star Trek” Coming to HD DVD—With Phaser Remote

Set your faces to stun: Toshiba and CBS have entered into a partnership that would unleash 10 discs in HD DVD.

Integra Hops on the HD DVD Train
The company has announced the DHS-8.8, its first entry into the HD DVD market.

New LG Dual High-Def DVD Player Coming Next Month
Delivering 1080p any way you want it, the BH200 Super Blu Player is the company's second dual high-def DVD device.

Honeywell’s Magical Self-Healing HDMI Cable
New CURxE Light technology miraculously monitors and corrects A/V signals for corrupted HDCP and EDID data.

High-Def Sound from High-Def DVDs
High-def DVDs aren’t just great visuals, they also serve up two new bit-for-bit sound formats – Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.

The crew of “Star Trek” is about to boldly go where it’s never gone before—into the world of high-definition.

Toshiba just announced a partnership with CBS to release the original series on HD DVD. This fantastic voyage will kick off with a 10-disc set—and that’s just season 1.

Each disc will be a combo HD DVD, with standard-definition on the other side. Other features include a new 5.1 soundtrack, picture-in-picture video commentaries, the ability to compare visual effects in the re-mastered episodes versus the originals, and a detailed interactive tour of the Enterprise.

We reported not too long ago that the 10-disc HD set will cost $199, but the company isn’t quoting anything lately. They are, however, willing to throw in a Phaser remote to sweeten the deal and cushion the cost.

Is Kirk ready for a high-def close-up? Season 1 of “Star Trek” will be available in HD DVD on November 20.

 

[djkimothy]

So I go see volver and this thread is full of chatter. :lol

Anyways, zip finally sent me the copy of Volver I listed 4 months ago.

Picture quality was AMAZING! Yet another MPEG-2 encode that impresses me along with Crank and KoHC. I don't know why we rag on that codec.

I can see why Sony picked this to have a high def transfer. Colours popped out and looked good in high def. Picture was sharp as well. I'm not sure if it's my uncalibrated TV but noticed that reds were a bit over saturated. Other than that it was gorgeous to see. And Penélope Cruz looks good in HD too.

Movie itself was an obvious chic flick but the plot was solid.

Anyways, Sony, please release Mirrormask on Blu-ray!

that is all.

 

[distantmantra]

I count 7 of the top 15.

Don't forget Rush Hour 3. New Line is neutral.

 

[Manmademan]

So that's 10/15 for Blu and 8/15 for HD DVD

Damn, that Paramount announcement was a real life saver.

Agreed. Without Paramount it would have been a massive curbstomp in favor of Blu-ray. 13/15 vs. 5/15.

 

[captive]

8 out of the top 15 grossing movies of the year are on HD-DVD.

HD DVD promotion group VERBATIM, how long ago did you get your PR script.


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2007&p=.htm

Edit beaten by like 30 people.... this is ridiculous.
However noone mentioned this.
With each side already having one "exclusive" out, being Wild Hogs and Blades of Glory.

Source or you just spreading FUD again?

I cant be the only one to call Van on some bullshit, he cant fucking read it! :lol

 

[distantmantra]

So I go see volver and this thread is full of chatter. :lol

Anyways, zip finally sent me the copy of Volver I listed 4 months ago.

Picture quality was AMAZING! Yet another MPEG-2 encode that impresses me along with Crank and KoHC. I don't know why we rag on that codec.

I can see why Sony picked this to have a high def transfer. Colours popped out and looked good in high def. Picture was sharp as well. I'm not sure if it's my uncalibrated TV but noticed that reds were a bit over saturated. Other than that it was gorgeous to see. And Penélope Cruz looks good in HD too.

Movie itself was an obvious chic flick but the plot was solid.

Anyways, Sony, please release Mirrormask on Blu-ray!

that is all.

Volver is my favorite Blu-ray release of 2007. I love Almodovar.

Sony Pictures Classics has some absolutely stellar foreign films in their back catalog, including the majority of Almodovar's films. I hope they start releasing them.

 

[VanMardigan]

I count 7 of the top 15. (Shrek, Transformers, HP5, 300, Bourne, Knocked Up, Blades of Glory)

New Line is neutral, so Rush Hour 3 for both.

 

[Oni Jazar]

New Line is neutral, so Rush Hour 3 for both.

New Line hasn't released anything yet and I would be surprised to see them release anything this year.

 

[captive]

You guys see this?

http://www.electronichouse.com/article/star_trek_coming_to_hd_dvd_with_phaser_remote/C157

Dont bother posting any news or anything, this thread really has delved into shit since the paramount announcement. Now its just constant bickering accompanied by PR spin from both sides.

 

[distantmantra]

New Line hasn't released anything yet and I would be surprised to see them release anything this year.

Hairspray is coming out on Blu-ray and HD-DVD later this year.

 

[djkimothy]

Agreed. Without Paramount it would have been a massive curbstomp in favor of Blu-ray. 13/15 vs. 5/15.

But with the Paramount arrangement, wouldn't it be 10/15 vs 5/15?

 

[The Main Event]

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8764

Sony lets its Blu-ray numbers slip show at CEDIA

Back in May, DailyTech caught flak for a column that claimed late-April HD DVD and Blu-ray sales were in a virtual tie. A lot of reader’s claimed unreliable data was used, or even making figures up entirely

Well, courtesy of Anandtech's CEDIA coverage, the world now has Sony's official word on the matter, with a rare look not at just percentages, but actual sales volume. This Sony viewgraph (shown to the right) was intended to show to sales superiority of Blu-ray, but it shows a few other trends that are particularly interesting. For one, there is confirmation of DailyTech’s claim of a sales tie in April, albeit a brief one. But the raw data reveals an even more interesting trend. Sales for both formats have been on a declining trend since December.

Yes, both are trending downward -- with Blu-ray dropping more sharply than HD DVD.

Now, you can call this just the standard post Christmas drop. But is it? The Christmas season is the high sales point for consumer electronics and big-ticket items ... but movie purchases don't exactly fall into this category. A lot of people went out and bought PS3s and standalone HD players for Christmas. But it seems that after the initial rush wore off, they lost interest in buying new movies for those players.

When you realize that additional players are continually being sold after Christmas, the drop in movie sales is even more worrisome. A new format being adopted is supposed to see sales rising, not dropping.

With combined sales for both formats only in the 60K discs/week range, clearly consumers are still waiting to buy into HD. What's the missing factor still? Cheaper players? Cheaper discs? A better selection of movies? Greater HDTV penetration? Dual-format players? All of the above?

 

[Flo_Evans]

Most would argue the complete opposite, as name recognition is one of, if not the primary reason for marketing. To say that having the letters "DVD" in HD DVD is a disadvantage is laughable.

Name recognition is important, but when your product is being associated with an old technology it does not work in your favor.

 

[VanMardigan]

Agreed. Without Paramount it would have been a massive curbstomp in favor of Blu-ray. 13/15 vs. 5/15.

No, it would've been 10/15 vs. 5/15, because Paramount was neutral. Still a huge gap, though.

edit:

We're both wrong, it would've been 13/15 vs. 8/15

 

[Manmademan]

No, it would've been 10/15 vs. 5/15, because Paramount was neutral. Still a huge gap, though.

whoops, my mistake. I forgot PM was neutral. carry on, then.

 

[KachoMakura]

Thanks for the list guys. I think it's safe to say that both formats are pretty equal movie wise. With who having the better support coming down to matter of opinion. Personally out of this list I would/will definitely purchase these if I could(regardless of format):

2 Shrek the Third P/DW $321,012,359
3 Transformers P/DW $310,651,240
5 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix WB $286,953,794
6 300 WB $210,614,939
7 The Bourne Ultimatum Uni. $203,484,905
9 The Simpsons Movie Fox $178,697,093
12 Live Free or Die Hard Fox $133,638,992
14 Rush Hour 3 NL $123,145,000
15 Blades of Glory P/DW $118,245,842

That's 5 HD-DVD exclusive Vs. 2 Blu-Ray exclusive. Of course this is just my opinion and could change next year of course, but right now HD-DVD has more of the movies that I want.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Hairspray is coming out on Blu-ray and HD-DVD later this year.

You are right I forgot about Hairspray.

 

[maynerd]

Someone needs to create an official Bluray and HD-DVD news thread. Change the title of this thread to something like the official bluray vs HD-DVD thread.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Thanks for the list guys. I think it's safe to say that both formats are pretty equal movie wise. With who having the better support coming down to matter of opinion. Personally out of this list I would/will definitely purchase these if I could(regardless of format):

2 Shrek the Third P/DW $321,012,359
3 Transformers P/DW $310,651,240
5 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix WB $286,953,794
6 300 WB $210,614,939
7 The Bourne Ultimatum Uni. $203,484,905
8 Ratatouille BV $201,321,358
9 The Simpsons Movie Fox $178,697,093
12 Live Free or Die Hard Fox $133,638,992
14 Rush Hour 3 NL $123,145,000
15 Blades of Glory P/DW $118,245,842

That's 5 HD-DVD exclusive Vs. 2 Blu-Ray exclusive. Of course this is just my opinion and could change next year of course, but right now HD-DVD has more of the movies that I want.

That's 4 HD-DVD exclusives v 3 Blu-ray.

 

[KachoMakura]

I could have swore New-Line was exclusive? I guess not.

Edit and I didn't mean to add Rat to my list. Sorry.

 

[captive]

That's 4 HD-DVD exclusives v 3 Blu-ray.

Dont worry about it, he never learned to count that high since HD DVD is so affordable.

 

[xS1TH L0RDx]

musicals suck, but hairspray > rent for sure. amanda bynes FTW.