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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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I don't see how either of the posts that quoted me contradict what I said. In fact, they agree with it.
To reiterate, my point was that I don't think most people assumed that exclusives were driving sales of BluRay (especially since I'm pretty sure even non-exclusives were doing better on bluray). It's pretty clear that the sales jump started with the PS3 and continues with the PS3.
You have a lot of people out there who would not have otherwise bought a high-def player at this point who now have one, and that's driving a lot of the sales right now. HD-DVD does not and has not ever had this (it might have if MS had included HDDVD in the package with the X360 -- and I wonder how much pressure is on them to do so now from Toshiba), and so its sales are coming only from the Innovator group (the one before early adopters) while BluRay is coming from the larger pool of early adopters.
It's interesting to note that the last article pasted states that standalone players are selling about even. I don't think the non-gamer media whore crowd has even begun to weigh in on this yet.
To reiterate, my point was that I don't think most people assumed that exclusives were driving sales of BluRay (especially since I'm pretty sure even non-exclusives were doing better on bluray). It's pretty clear that the sales jump started with the PS3 and continues with the PS3.
You have a lot of people out there who would not have otherwise bought a high-def player at this point who now have one, and that's driving a lot of the sales right now. HD-DVD does not and has not ever had this (it might have if MS had included HDDVD in the package with the X360 -- and I wonder how much pressure is on them to do so now from Toshiba), and so its sales are coming only from the Innovator group (the one before early adopters) while BluRay is coming from the larger pool of early adopters.
It's interesting to note that the last article pasted states that standalone players are selling about even. I don't think the non-gamer media whore crowd has even begun to weigh in on this yet.
...so what your saying is that unless MS includes HD DVD in the 360 then HD DVD is in trouble.maharg said:
Also explain Casino Royale continuously popping in and out of the amazon DVD top 20? I certainly think that that one exclusive is counting for quite a bit.
Dark Jedi do you have a source for those sales numbers you can link, i have been aruing off and on all day with some people that keep making excuses and claims that HD DVD is winning.
One of them even went with the "attachment rate to stand alone hardware is better for HD DVD."
DarkJediKnight
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distantmantra
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Did anyone else get in on that $4.50 Babel deal at gamezandflix.com a couple weeks ago? They sent me an email canceling my order (just like 99.9% of orders) and my checking account was refunded, but then.... it came in the mail today!
Free copy of Babel on BluRay, woohoo!
Now, my BluRay collection is:
Babel
Chicago
The Departed
Good Night, and Good Luck
X-men 3: The Last Stand
And on preorder:
Casino Royale
Dreamgirls (for the wife)
Volver
A Scanner Darkly
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
I'm guessing it will be a small collection, seeing how I refuse to double dip.
Free copy of Babel on BluRay, woohoo!
Now, my BluRay collection is:
Babel
Chicago
The Departed
Good Night, and Good Luck
X-men 3: The Last Stand
And on preorder:
Casino Royale
Dreamgirls (for the wife)
Volver
A Scanner Darkly
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
I'm guessing it will be a small collection, seeing how I refuse to double dip.
The Fountain on BluRay and HD-DVD Combo May 15th
Can't wait for this to come out
Doesn't look like there will be uncompressed PCM for the soundtrack, though Also, the cover is horrible.
Can't wait for this to come out
Doesn't look like there will be uncompressed PCM for the soundtrack, though
Also, the cover is horrible.Few tidbits from an article over at hidefdigest.com on February sales
Can read the whole article here
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...rted_Offers_Head-to-Head_Sales_Comparison/514
Can read the whole article here
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...rted_Offers_Head-to-Head_Sales_Comparison/514
captive said:
It definitely looks that way right now for sure. Looks. There's a lot of room for new plays though, and I do think people are calling the winner far too early. There are still a lot of people who need to be convinced one way or the other even within the obvious high def market.
I'll admit my bias openly, though. I want them both to fail because I want them to move on from thinking they can control what I do with things I buy. So I don't want to see formats with heavy copy control become entrenched. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I still believe in voting with my dollars.
maharg said:
The thing about HD-DVD, if it can maintain 20% to 33% of the market, will it really die? Especially if you consider that BR is outpacing DVD right now. If 4 years from now, HD-DVD has say 25% of the market, and the two formats combined are equal or have surpassed DVD at that point in its lifetime, is it really dead? If you were to look at it on console terms last gen, 25% would be the XBOX plus several more millions of users. I think both formats will make it, as long as major studios are supporting them. If HD-DVD loses any of its current support, it could very well die. But if it can maintain its current support and possibly gain another studio in there somewhere it could sustain itself on life support. It will not win, unless the PS3 just starts to completely bomb, but having a signifigant percentage of the home media market will keep it alive whether they defeat BR or not. You can look at the DS and PSP as examples. One can beat the living shit out of the other one without kicking it out of the market.
C4Lukins said:
Yes, because its total market share would not be increasing. The success of a format is relative to its rate of adoption and how much it can overtake other formats. Market leaders will simply not invest in a technology that has no potential for growth in the seeable future.
The DS/PSP is a bad analogy because they're two completely different handhelds. But why are we talking about their relative successes in a Blu-Ray thread? :lol
Keeping this out of gaming gaf because of teh potential rage: Anyone else having PS3 Blu Ray issues? Mine now gets significantly louder and hotter than my 360 (seriously) during Blu Ray playback and freezes during Prestige, Hitchhikers, Pearl Harbor (don't ask) and the Great Raid.
Stinkles said:
Generally no, although I did see some weird pauses in The Departed about 2/3rds through the movie, in the scene where
Costello gets ambushed
Stinkles said:
I haven't checked to see how hot my unit gets, but it has worked fine since the last update. Before that, half the time I tried to watch a blu-ray movie, the screen would freeze gray, and I would have to reset the system. However, whenever I drop to the XMB from a movie, the display colors invert until the system is reset.
Spiderjericho
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So far I own Black Hawk Down (with freezing thanks to the PS3).
Thanks to the word of mouth in this thread, I purchased B-13, Rambo, the Prestige, the Departed, Kingdom of Heaven, Resovoir Dogs, American Psycho, Usual Suspects, X3, Knight's Tale and a few other titles from Amazon yesterday.
I'm currently in Japan and am flying back to the states for a friend's wedding. I plan on trading in my 360 HD-DVD addon and movies when I have free time. I, personally, don't wish to invest in two different high definition formats. Though I will admit I don't see a difference in the quality so far, it's just that Bluray seems to have the greater support (with the exception of Universal).
Thanks to the word of mouth in this thread, I purchased B-13, Rambo, the Prestige, the Departed, Kingdom of Heaven, Resovoir Dogs, American Psycho, Usual Suspects, X3, Knight's Tale and a few other titles from Amazon yesterday.
I'm currently in Japan and am flying back to the states for a friend's wedding. I plan on trading in my 360 HD-DVD addon and movies when I have free time. I, personally, don't wish to invest in two different high definition formats. Though I will admit I don't see a difference in the quality so far, it's just that Bluray seems to have the greater support (with the exception of Universal).
Spiderjericho
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Stinkles said:
Yes, my PS3 does get loud on occasion. And I have tried to watch Black Hawk Down several times and usually quit because of the numerous times the film will freeze or skip. It's frustrating and hopefully, Sony will have a firmware fix.
XMonkey said:
This was happening last night when we took the unit over to a friend's home theater - no ethernet, and no connection to his wireless network - but I did get the "can't connect" error which I circle buttoned out of.
PS., LTTP The Prestige.
Way to drag out the twist for an HOUR otherwise good stuff.
XMonkey said:The Fountain on BluRay and HD-DVD Combo May 15th
Can't wait for this to come out
Doesn't look like there will be uncompressed PCM for the soundtrack, though
Thanks for bringing this to my attention! I just came.
The Elite
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djkimothy said:LOL, i thought the Killer App was Pirates.
But I think as soon as George Lucas utters the words, "Star Wars" "Blu-Ray" and "coming soon", we can call that the nail in the coffin. Yes, I want to see all that in HD glory.
Not for another five years.
That is my theory.
... and Pirates... meh. It is a Killer App... no doubt but it really isn't for me. Spider-Man is my Killer App.
DoctorWho said:
Why do you have to do that? If you set your dash to 1080i you'll get Blu-ray in 1080i and Resistance in 720p, which is what you probably want...if you set your dash to 720p you'll still get Resistance in 720p but Blu-ray will be in 480p...why would you want to do that?
Stinkles said:
No, it still makes no sense.
Assume the dash is in 1080i (720p allowed).
Resistance outputs 720p
Blu-ray outputs 1080i
Dash in 720p (1080i prohibited)
Resistance outputs 720p
Blu-ray outputs 480p
Dash in 1080i (720p prohibited)
Resistance outputs 480p
Blu-ray outputs 1080i
Let's see, the original poster said he has to switch between 1080i and 720p when playing Resistance and Blu-ray. The implication is that his set will accept both types of inputs (or he would always get a black screen on one of those settings)...
If he just sets his dash to 1080i with 720p allowed, he will get the optimal settings for both Resistance and Blu-ray. No matter how bad the scaler in the TV is, do you really think 480p would look better on his set?
The Elite
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Argyle said:
I had set it up so that 1080i, 720p and 480p were all checked. Are you saying that if you have it checked for just 1080i and 480p (which seems to be greyed out) then it will jump to 720p for Resistance even though I don't have it checked?
EDIT: I noticed the GT:HD has an option to set the Res in game. I like that.
if you're playing resistance and watching bd movies, you can just leave 1080i and 720p checked. this will only cause problems when you play a 1080p game on a 720p set -- it'll output 1080i, and you'd want it to output 720p. but this turning into a ps3 issues thread.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
djkimothy said:LOL, i thought the Killer App was Pirates.
But I think as soon as George Lucas utters the words, "Star Wars" "Blu-Ray" and "coming soon", we can call that the nail in the coffin. Yes, I want to see all that in HD glory.
Fox won't do it without Lucas' permission, and I think it's going to take longer on HD than it did on DVD-Video, which was a LONG time. With DVD, he was just waiting for a big installed base. With HD, he supposedly is against physical media, period... until he changes his mind for the ten-millionth time in his life .You'll have to settle for the few seconds of Attack of the Clones that are on the Bullitt disc. (both formats, and it's Yoda vs. Count Dooku)
DarkJediKnight
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I've been meaning to ask this. Is the part where it says "Experience High Definition" on Casino Royale in shiny foil? All my Sony Blu-rays have it in grey.
Marty Chinn
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Ugh, WTF Sony? When is Sony actually going to put disc art on their discs? Has anyone noticed it's the same thing on every Sony disc with just the movie logo slapped on it?
mckmas8808
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terrene said:Got The Sopranos on Blu-Ray, used. The sellers on Amazon have it for $62.99 - that's less than on DVD new. It looks absolutely stunning. I can see every little hair on Paulie Galtieri's chest.
What season did you get?
TerryLee81
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captive said:
Yeah, and there are 7 Blu-Rays in the Top 100, and not a single HD-DVD.
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