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[DarkJediKnight]

Wow it's hilarious seeing people get so worked up over this:lol


Anyway can someone give me a website that has a comprehensive listing of all releases on hd-dvd and bluray, and does anyone know if Amadeus(my fab movie) is on either?

Amadeus is Warner = both formats.

 

[Brimstone]

No movie on HD-DVD is encoded for the faster spindle speed (increase in bandwidth) and it will break compatibility if it is done, so Toshiba won't want to talk about it as much as the increased data storage.

The tools to encode movies are getting better anyway, so each release takes up less bandwidth all the time, but an increase will just give HD-DVD more headroom in the long run.



Unless something dramatic changed since 51TL was talked about, the new spec will result in HD-DVD having slightly more bandwidth than Blu-Ray. Of course Blu-Ray made it a standard from the start so movie studios can depend on it working today, it will take several years for it to catch on for HD-DVD.

 

[XMonkey]

I don't disagree with any of what you just typed. My point (which still stands) is that, even at 50% yield rates, anything beyond the current sales wouldn't be fiscally viable to subsidize for Sony. That's why I made my original statement that neither BD50 nor TL51 are ready for mass market consumption. In terms of manufacturing, it would be disastrous.

Ya Van, yields are so low on 50GB Blurays and that's why I can walk into my local Frys and get a Panasonic 50GB BDR for $25. Thats 50 cents/GB which is approaching the cost/GB of hard drives. But I guess yields must be really low for them to offer those discs at such a low price.

 

[djkimothy]

The truth is this is all sour grapes, and now that HDDVD has taken away the magical disk space advantage of BRD the BRD backers have to go after the last technical advantage they have left.. despite the fact that HDDVD has had just as good video quality, just as good audio quality and HDi features all running at once with its lower bit rate. Something BRD cant claim to this point.

:lol

Until this TL disc is out in the wild. BD still has the upper hand.

 

[mollipen]

god fucking dammit, what is YOUR source, you haven't linked any.

Maybe he follows the ManaByte school of posing in this thread: only reply to people when you can reply in a way that will make you look right. Otherwise, ignore what is said.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Wow it's hilarious seeing people get so worked up over this:lol


Anyway can someone give me a website that has a comprehensive listing of all releases on hd-dvd and bluray, and does anyone know if Amadeus(my fab movie) is on either?

Blu Ray releases:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=897562


HD DVD releases:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=692850

 

[djkimothy]

Maybe he follows the ManaByte school of posing in this thread: only reply to people when you can reply in a way that will make you look right. Otherwise, ignore what is said.

Well I find a lot of the "debating/discussion that goes around follows the "Thanks for Smoking Mantra". It's not about proving you're right but the other person wrong.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

So now that we know BD player sales (even without the PS3) have at least sometimes overtaken HD-DVD, and have been outselling them since they broke the $500 barrier, we get fresh FUD about a future possible 1 GB advantage and unsubstantiated suppositions about BD disc yields. Bravo, new frontiers in scraping and reaching.

 

[captive]

I have him on ignore, but not you...

I have no idea where Van gets his pressing yield data. I suspect it's long out of date. Costs of these sorts of things tends to drop quickly once facilities are online and kinks worked out of the system.

Group hug.
I wont put him on ignore because i find his posts entertaining to read while im bored at work.

 

[OokieSpookie]

The truth is this is all sour grapes, and now that HDDVD has taken away the magical disk space advantage of BRD the BRD backers have to go after the last technical advantage they have left.. despite the fact that HDDVD has had just as good video quality, just as good audio quality and HDi features all running at once with its lower bit rate. Something BRD cant claim to this point.

Dude, what the fuck....
BR STILL has the advantage because they can add more space also or do you just not read the things that do not work for you.
HD-51...great...
BR-200... now this may just be MY math, but I still see a bit of a higher number there no?
How in the nine hells had hd taken away any disk advantage?

 

[NekoFever]

Movies from the 70s and 80s on Blu-ray (John Romero stuff) have master quality audio, yet a Mega blockbuster like Transformers doesn't and it's on 2 discs. One for the feature and one for the extra. Can you name a SINGLE Blu-ray exclusive day and date release that made more than a $100mil without PCM, True HD or DTS MA?

Mission Impossible 3 on Blu-ray only had Dolby Digital Plus and was one of the first day-and-date HD releases. And what studio was it from? Oh, look...Paramount.

Transformers not having lossless audio isn't a size issue, it's a studio issue. As far as I can remember Paramount haven't done lossless (or PCM, for that matter) audio on any of the HD releases while all the other HD DVD studios have been using TrueHD with numerous other audio tracks and extras without a problem. I was watching The Matrix today and that has TrueHD, several DD+ tracks, four commentaries, In-Movie Experience, and several featurettes, trailers, and music videos on the one disc.

 

[Wulfer]

god fucking dammit, what is YOUR source, you haven't linked any.

Now was that really necessary? We can get you point without that! Your an intelligent poster act like one.

 

[captive]

The truth is this is all sour grapes, and now that HDDVD has taken away the magical disk space advantage of BRD the BRD backers have to go after the last technical advantage they have left.. despite the fact that HDDVD has had just as good video quality, just as good audio quality and HDi features all running at once with its lower bit rate. Something BRD cant claim to this point.

I like how before HD DVD supporters: "pfft BRD50 is a waste anyway you dont need that much space, space is bad, look at Hott Fuzz! See i told you"
After HD DVD supporters(mind you no 51gig disc has been proven to work or even released yet): "Yes TAKE THAT BLOO BOYS, In YO FACE bitches, we got 1 more gig than you, we are teh awesome, space is everything, and HD DVD is superior now."

/comments and opinions in this post may have been exaggerated.

Now was that really necessary? We can get you point without that! Your an intelligent poster act like one.

Sorry im a little pissed that i seem to be the only person calling him for his source, when he is calling others for their sources and he cant even read my posts.

 

[theBishop]

The truth is this is all sour grapes, and now that HDDVD has taken away the magical disk space advantage of BRD the BRD backers have to go after the last technical advantage they have left.. despite the fact that HDDVD has had just as good video quality, just as good audio quality and HDi features all running at once with its lower bit rate. Something BRD cant claim to this point.

Am I living in some fantasy world where 200GB Blu-Ray discs don't exist?

 

[Wulfer]

I like how before HD DVD supporters: "pfft BRD50 is a waste anyway you dont need that much space, space is bad, look at Hott Fuzz! See i told you"
After HD DVD supporters(mind you no 51gig disc has been proven to work or even released yet): "Yes TAKE THAT BLOO BOYS, In YO FACE bitches, we got 1 more gig than you, we are teh awesome, space is everything, and HD DVD is superior now."

/comments and opinions in this post may have been exaggerated.

Sorry im a little pissed that i seem to be the only person calling him for his source, when he is calling others for their sources and he cant even read my posts.

I'll say this, I'm still in the camp that think 30gb is enough for HD-DVD encoding. Sure 51gb discs will be sweet but the one thing studios will continue to do is release more than one discs in those two disc special edition releases because it's viewed as more of a value to the average customer. Seriously, at this time anything over 50gb is over kill for HD-DVD encoding. They've proved that with the King Kong release. Your right this is for bullet points that's all.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Does this remind anyone else of the Onion article about 5-blade razors?

 

[OokieSpookie]

Am I living in some fantasy world where 200GB Blu-Ray discs don't exist?

EXACTLY...wtf is up with people's selective memory

 

[StoOgE]

words being put in my mouth.

1) i dont think these 51gb discs are necessary.

2) i still think 30gb is plenty.

3) transformers not having truehd has nothing to do with disc space or bitrate. (my whole point)

4) the sourgrapes comment was more to do with transformers than the 51gb disc.

the 200gb disc is so completely overkill for movies... especially when studios want multi disc releases.

 

[SRG01]

Does this remind anyone else of the Onion article about 5-blade razors?

Dude, if I'm not mistaken, there are already 5-blade razors out on the market. :lol

...

wtf do we need 5 blades for

 

[VanMardigan]

Now was that really necessary? We can get you point without that! Your an intelligent poster act like one.

haha, don't worry about him. That's why I have him on ignore, he's damn ignorant. This reminds me of the folks accusing me of making up the hardware charts. :lol

If someone who wasn't on my ignore had asked for a source, I would've obliged, but I didn't deem it necessary, considering both Oni and sgr1 managed to find the source WITHOUT MY HELP and I ACTUALLY NAMED MY SOURCE (David Vaughn) in one of my posts.

Not only that, but folks are STILL referring to released BD50's as proof of better yields, so maybe I need to link the definition of subsidization or something.

Why are studios putting out BD50's if the yields are low? Because Sony is paying for the bad discs, which happen to be at least half of all discs sent to manufacture (on a good day and with less than 50GB).

So does it matter to you right now? No, of course it doesn't, it doesn't make a lick of difference so long as Sony foots the bill. I was merely pointing out that subsidization won't work once the sales volume for Blu Ray increases. The same goes for Toshiba and their TL51s. Sony needs to (and is, slowly) improving their yields, because as the format grows, their ability to subsidize the bad discs fades.

That's it, that's the point I've been making. Over and over again.

 

[plagiarize]

Am I living in some fantasy world where 200GB Blu-Ray discs don't exist?

do you honestly think a two hour movie would benefit from 200GB? before you accuse me of moving the goal posts, i've never said the 51 gig disk is a good idea. i think it's stupid. it is a bullet point rebutal. as an early HD-DVD adopter i may be left out in the dark if it comes to light and studios start supporting it.

i think 30 gigabytes is more than enough for a film + lossless audio. 50 gigs and you can start throwing in PCM audio (though i still think that's kind of a waste of space when we have lossless codecs but that is partly tinged by my inability to benefit from PCM with my current setup) and more extras on one disk.

people are used to the idea of a two disc special edition... i don't think anyone is calling for those days to end.

200 gigs may be nice for TV series, but again, i doubt we'll see it since i think people associate more disks with more value, than they associate more disk space with more value.

studios know that too, and i really don't care if i have to swap discs to get to the extras because speaking personally my viewing habits are generally to watch all the movie and then watch all the extras, rather than going back and forth or what have you.

i understand why lossless PCM has taken off... most studios already have the movies in that same format so if there's space its easy to just throw that in.

that's really all the 50 gig blu-ray advantage gives blu-ray imho. it makes it easier for studios to throw in a lossless track... but i still personally think it's a waste of space (and i acknowledge thats the opinion of someone that can't enjoy more than stereo).

the fact is, that in my situation, because of the required DD5.1 plus support, my HD-DVDs sound better. i'm sure down the line i'll get a PCM compatible setup... and i'm not saying that it in any way wipes out the fact that a much higher percentage of blu-rays sport lossless audio, i guess i'm just frustrated that aside from PCM, audio support on blu-ray hasn't been great, and if it's true about Dawn of the Dead and Day of the Dead not even offering a vanilla DD5.1 track... well both sides have serious issues.

i don't care about bragging rights. i just care how these things look and sound to me. i'm format neutral. you're not going to see me talking about an advantage that one format may have over another that i can't enjoy...

and when i say 30 gigs is good enough, i'm only talking personally. maybe some people can see the difference between the best HD-DVD and the best Blu-Ray... but i can't.

i'll keep buying both of course... but it won't stop annoying me seeing the fanboys on both sides throw crap around like yield problems on blu-ray or transformers being held back by 30 gigs.

 

[plagiarize]

haha, don't worry about him. That's why I have him on ignore, he's damn ignorant. This reminds me of the folks accusing me of making up the hardware charts. :lol

If someone who wasn't on my ignore had asked for a source, I would've obliged, but I didn't deem it necessary, considering both Oni and sgr1 managed to find the source WITHOUT MY HELP and I ACTUALLY NAMED MY SOURCE (David Vaughn) in one of my posts.

Not only that, but folks are STILL referring to released BD50's as proof of better yields, so maybe I need to link the definition of subsidization or something.

Why are studios putting out BD50's if the yields are low? Because Sony is paying for the bad discs, which happen to be at least half of all discs sent to manufacture (on a good day and with less than 50GB).

So does it matter to you right now? No, of course it doesn't, it doesn't make a lick of difference so long as Sony foots the bill. I was merely pointing out that subsidization won't work once the sales volume for Blu Ray increases. The same goes for Toshiba and their TL51s. Sony needs to (and is, slowly) improving their yields, because as the format grows, their ability to subsidize the bad discs fades.

That's it, that's the point I've been making. Over and over again.

and the thing you've been ignoring OVER AND OVER AGAIN is every request to provide a shred of evidence to support your belief that the yields are bad and that Sony are paying for the bad discs as you claim.

 

[VanMardigan]

and the thing you've been ignoring OVER AND OVER AGAIN is every request to provide a shred of evidence to support your belief that the yields are bad and that Sony are paying for the bad discs as you claim.

Over and over again? NOBODY (except those on my ignore list, I presume) asked me for a source. Two people I debated with found the same information I did, which comes from an investigation David Vaughn of HomeTheaterSpot did. The low yield suggestion IS NOT MY OWN.

You can find that info pasted on AVS Forum as well as a ton of other forums. It's all we have to go on, because Sony is not giving out yield information, and neutral information from a very reliable source is the best we have right now. Unless there is another source. Ask Sony to provide disc yield data, otherwise that is all you'll find.


And here is an excerpt from David Vaughn's post (for those to lazy to visit the Insider Information thread at AVS):

Here is where we are:

Sony’s yields have improved “a bit” this summer and are up to around 50% depending on how much data is on the disc. The more data, the lower the yields, the lower the data, the higher the yield number goes, but 50% is just about max right now (give or take a percentage point or two).

As for independent replicators, there are four “major’s” that are capable of doing BD50’s according to my sources. They are Cinram, Deluxe, Panasonic, & Infodisc. Of these four, one of them (unnamed by the request of my source at that company) is getting yields on BD50’s up there with Sony in the 50% range. The other three can’t get above 10%, but Sony is lending a hand to them to increase their yields. I am assuming they will get things in line based upon the one independent that I referenced above who has been able to increase yields.

An interesting side note to this though is the yields on BD25’s, that are much lower than I thought they would be. Right now, the are hovering in the 60-70% range and are in the same scenario as the BD50’s when it comes to the amount of data on the disc. The lower the amount of data, the higher the yields are. At this point in the game, I would have expected the single layer discs to be much higher than they currently are.

Another thing that should be noted is that Paramount/Dreamworks was using one of the three replicators that couldn’t get the yields up above 10% on BD50’s. Could this have been one of the things that precipitated their move to HD DVD?

So, where does it leave us? For the most part, nothing has changed from what I reported last week, other than there is one major replicator of BD50 discs that have improved yields, but the other three majors can’t get them to work as of yet. These other companies are sending the work to either Sony or the other independent to do their BD50 work, which I’m sure raises their costs (outsourcing while their equipment sits idle…never a good thing in manufacturing). The good news is that the BDA is able to keep up with demand at this time, even with the lower yields and less manufacturing capacity, mainly due to the fact that sales are pretty pathetic on both formats compared to DVD. But with player adoption growing, disc sales growing, and the holiday buying season just around the corner, yield rates could become a much bigger issue the next 6 months.

Now, on to HD DVD: As Amir has stated before, there are literally hundreds of HD DVD production lines that are available in the marketplace. Since it is essentially the same process to make a HD DVD vs. a DVD, the manufacturing process is much easier to implement and yields are a lot higher. Jeff stated some numbers earlier that HD15’s and HD30’s are above 95%, and I can confirm those numbers as well from a couple of well-placed sources. But, I’ve hit a stone wall when it comes to the combo discs, which no one can seem to get the yield numbers on these. My assumption is that they aren’t as high as the HD30 and HD15 numbers since there is the extra process that needs to take place (which Amir has spoken about). Could this be one of the reason’s why “Combos” have been limited to “new releases” only and not on catalog titles? Or, was it that the studio’s (Universal especially) didn’t see the need to use combo’s anymore on the catalog titles because it wasn’t helping sales?

Comparing the two camps on this, HD DVD is in a much better position (from a manufacturing perspective). First, due to the disc thickness, the drying time of the disc making process is 50% shorter. When you throw in that the yields are about twice as high, that means you essentially have a 4-1 advantage in actually making the discs in favor of HD DVD. Again, right now that isn’t a big deal since there aren’t that many discs being pressed, but with wide adoption of both formats, HD DVD will have a manufacturing edge unless yields increase for BD50’s. Even if they can get the yields up to above 95%, they still take longer to make than an HD DVD, so in order to output the same amount of discs they will need to work twice as long or spend extra money on another fabrication line, which just adds to the overall cost.

 

[OokieSpookie]

So it is "oooh oooh more layers and more space GO HD-DVD WOOOOOOOO take THAT blu ray!!!!!"
and then
"Oh yeah...Blu Ray can do multi layers too...I do not see the reason for more space, it sucks and is overkill"

Mind numbing...

 

[VanMardigan]

So it is "oooh oooh more layers and more space GO HD-DVD WOOOOOOOO take THAT blu ray!!!!!"
and then
"Oh yeah...Blu Ray can do multi layers too...I do not see the reason for more space, it sucks and is overkill"

Mind numbing...

gross oversimplification of the arguments (by various people no less). If that's what you got from it, your reading skills suck. PERIOD.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

the 200gb disc is so completely overkill for movies... especially when studios want multi disc releases.

Bingo. There is absolutely no need for anything more than say 60-80gb for lossless video. If you go to Digital DLP theaters, the movies will be either in 2160p or 1080p. Anyone went to see 300 in a digital theater? Want to guess how big it was, rougly 80gb at 1080p. So Warner's transfer of 25gb is very close to the digital master taken from its film elements. And in fact, the 1080p digital print looked better than the higher res film shown in normal theaters. I've seen both versions and I own both Blu-ray and HD DVD versions of 300 and I find the HD discs to be identical to the digital print.

 

[VanMardigan]

I've seen both versions and I own both Blu-ray and HD DVD versions of 300 and I find the HD discs to be identical to the digital print.

Oh snap, I don't remember you mentioning getting the HD DVD version. You were all "combo disc grumble grumble"

On a serious note, I was watching the comic con 300 panel on Live Marketplace and Zach's wife (the producer, I think) let it slip that there will be another version of 300 once the interactivity stuff is up. But she went further and said that not only would it have the PiP, but it would have artwork and stuff as well. So another version of 300 on Blu Ray is on the horizon.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

Oh snap, I don't remember you mentioning getting the HD DVD version. You were all "combo disc grumble grumble"

On a serious note, I was watching the comic con 300 panel on Live Marketplace and Zach's wife (the producer, I think) let it slip that there will be another version of 300 once the interactivity stuff is up. But she went further and said that not only would it have the PiP, but it would have artwork and stuff as well. So another version of 300 on Blu Ray is on the horizon.

300 will most likely be released with a longer cut of the 1st mountain pass battle and more sex. So it's no surprise. Actually, I didn't buy 300. My brother bought the 360 add-on and Future Shop was giving it away with the add-on. He watched it, hated it and phoned me to come pick it up. I gave him Troy in exchange since I plan on getting the new one. This allowed me to compare the True HD and PCM trackson both versions. Yea, I'm a sicko when it comes to audio.

 

[The Main Event]

300 will most likely be released with a longer cut of the 1st mountain pass battle and more sex. So it's no surprise. Actually, I didn't buy 300. My brother bought the 360 add-on and Future Shop was giving it away with the add-on. He watched it, hated it and phoned me to come pick it up. I gave him Troy in exchange since I plan on getting the new one. This allowed me to compare the True HD and PCM trackson both versions. Yea, I'm a sicko when it comes to audio.

And the verdict?

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

So the Disney thing is coming to A Mall Near Me© this weekend; I'm going to try to take some pictures.

-Washington Square, Portland, Ore.
Sept. 14-16

 

[DarkJediKnight]

And the verdict?

I don't remember. I'll have to re-watch some scenes. I did prefer the PCM track to the True HD on Blu-ray since it was louder.

 

[maynerd]

I don't remember. I'll have to re-watch some scenes. I did prefer the PCM track to the True HD on Blu-ray since it was louder.

Wow you sure sound like a sicko when it comes to audio.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

Mission Impossible 3 on Blu-ray only had Dolby Digital Plus and was one of the first day-and-date HD releases. And what studio was it from? Oh, look...Paramount.

Transformers not having lossless audio isn't a size issue, it's a studio issue. As far as I can remember Paramount haven't done lossless (or PCM, for that matter) audio on any of the HD releases while all the other HD DVD studios have been using TrueHD with numerous other audio tracks and extras without a problem. I was watching The Matrix today and that has TrueHD, several DD+ tracks, four commentaries, In-Movie Experience, and several featurettes, trailers, and music videos on the one disc.

If you notice, I said Blu-ray exclusive release. MI3 wasn't exclusive. Ok, so it's Paramount. Top Gun is coming out before Transformers. It's a 20 year old movie with True HD. But they couldn't put True HD on a 3 month old movie?

 

[captive]

haha, don't worry about him. That's why I have him on ignore, he's damn ignorant. This reminds me of the folks accusing me of making up the hardware charts. :lol

:lol :lol :lol
You think the mods are pro blu-ray and out to get you.
You think i should make my dad buy an HD DVD player simply because he can afford it.

And yet Im the ignorant one. You're a tool who cant control your temper, that is why you get banned. And almost all you do in this thread is spread FUD, act like an asshole, then play the woe is me crap whenever people call you out. And you yet still wonder why you get repeatedly banned, while i have never been banned for something i said in this thread.

 

[maharg]

Bingo. There is absolutely no need for anything more than say 60-80gb for lossless video.

Er, do we need to go over the lossless thing again? There's no way 60-80G is sufficient for lossless encoding of a 2 hour film. At 24bit, 24fps, we're talking 1TB of data. There is no way there's a lossless encoding for video out there that's getting even close to 1/20th compression ratios.

Sufficient for videophile's eyes perhaps, but not even close to sufficient for lossless.

 

[The Main Event]

If you notice, I said Blu-ray exclusive release. MI3 wasn't exclusive. Ok, so it's Paramount. Top Gun is coming out before Transformers. It's a 20 year old movie with True HD. But they couldn't put True HD on a 3 month old movie?

NEXT is a recent release coming out in 2 weeks with a TrueHD track.

For those who cares: http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?fid/226/tid/138520

Sounds like a great disc for a mediocre movie.

 

[captive]

NEXT is a recent release coming out in 2 weeks with a TrueHD track.

For those who cares: http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?fid/226/tid/138520

Sounds like a great disc for a mediocre movie.

Ok, all myself and DJK are saying is WHY doesnt Transformers have it? Paramount seem to be giving *some* movies high res audio, why not Transformers?

 

[MCD]

Ok, all myself and DJK are saying is WHY doesnt Transformers have it? Paramount seem to be giving *some* movies high res audio, why not Transformers?

So they can milk it again.

director cut, special edition...etc...whatever.

 

[djkimothy]

So the Disney thing is coming to A Mall Near Me© this weekend; I'm going to try to take some pictures.

-Washington Square, Portland, Ore.
Sept. 14-16

Brave those blu marketers boy!

And you can tell them their park sucks!

Ok, all myself and DJK are saying is WHY doesnt Transformers have it? Paramount seem to be giving *some* movies high res audio, why not Transformers?

They're saving that for the eventual Blu-ray release.

 

[VanMardigan]

300 will most likely be released with a longer cut of the 1st mountain pass battle and more sex.

Maybe, but that's not what she was referring to. She was stating that they wanted to include the blue screen PiP on the Blu Ray version but the technology wasn't ready so they were going to add that plus artwork and stuff on a separate release. It was in response to someone asking Zach whether he preferred HD DVD because of the better edition.

 

[StoOgE]

Ok, all myself and DJK are saying is WHY doesnt Transformers have it? Paramount seem to be giving *some* movies high res audio, why not Transformers?

actually you were both blaming hddvd specs, not asking why.

 

[djkimothy]

actually you were both blaming hddvd specs, not asking why.

Well, it's the only (I can think of) explanation for its omission other than "we didn't feel like it."

 

[StoOgE]

So it is "oooh oooh more layers and more space GO HD-DVD WOOOOOOOO take THAT blu ray!!!!!"
and then
"Oh yeah...Blu Ray can do multi layers too...I do not see the reason for more space, it sucks and is overkill"

Mind numbing...

i dont know what thread you are reading but none of that happened here.

ive allways said 30gb is enough... 51gb trd is aimed at taking away a brd talking point.

 

[captive]

actually you were both blaming hddvd specs, not asking why.

Um no i wasnt, no where did i say its because of HD DVDs specs(i believe your thinking where i said DJK was talking about spec). I said paramounts CEO is championing the ability to have the best audio and video on HD DVD yet Transformers is a two disc set thats lacking said high res audio.

 

[StoOgE]

Well, it's the only (I can think of) explanation for its omission other than "we didn't feel like it."

so why didnt mi3 have it on brd?

paramount may want to double dip, dd+ may be easier to master (i have no idea), or they may not have thought it was worth it to include two english language tracks.

 

[djkimothy]

so why didnt mi3 have it on brd?

paramount may want to double dip, dd+ may be easier to master (i have no idea), or they may not have thought it was worth it to include two english language tracks.

That's the thing that's perplexing. What was the design decision? We will never know why they would opt for such a soundtrack.

 

[Oni Jazar]

New Line Formally Announces Hairspray. Blu-ray release this year HD DVD delayed to 2008 due to lack of region encoding.

http://homemediaretailing.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=11160

New Line Home Entertainment has become the latest studio to jump into high-definition disc waters, announcing Sept. 10 that its first next-generation release will be the 2007 musical version of Hairspray.

The film, which grossed $107.3 million in theaters, will be released on standard DVD and Blu-ray Disc Nov. 20. An HD DVD edition will follow, although no firm release date has been set.

New Line’s support of both next-generation formats isn’t surprising, given that the label is distributed by Warner Home Video. Paramount’s recent defection from the Blu-ray camp left Warner the only major studio to support both Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD.

“Clearly, there isn’t a format winner at this point, so we’re going to adopt the strategy from Warner, our sister company, and mirror what they are doing,” said Matt Lasorsa, New Line’s EVP of marketing. “And by supporting both formats, we are giving consumers the ultimate choice.”

Lasorsa said the HD DVD version of Hairspray will most likely be released some time in the first half of next year. He attributes the delay to region coding issues. Blu-ray has region coding, but HD DVD does not. “And since we sell to independent international distributors,” Lasorsa said, “we have to be more sensitive to their release dates than a major studio.”

Even after Hairspray, most New Line titles will be released the same day on both standard DVD and Blu-ray Disc, with a lag for the HD DVD version. “But for second-party acquisitions to which we don’t have international rights,” Lasorsa said, “we will be day-and-date on all three formats.”

 

[nubbe]

Where is LotR?

 

[djkimothy]

Where is LotR?

Soon, this is good first start.

How about Mortal Kombat?

 

[StoOgE]

So, they are holding back HDDVD so that the people who own the rights to the movie in other countires dont get screwed by HDDVD owners importing the film instead of buying it locally.

So, region free backfires.. Still an even trade off IMO.