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[ManaByte]

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...port_Predicts_Blu-ray,_HD_DVD_to_Co-Exist/971


Report Predicts Blu-ray, HD DVD to Co-Exist

A new report examining the evolution of the high-def market predicts both next-gen disc formats are here to stay, and that most studios are likely to end up supporting both formats.

Released today by UK-based media analysts Screen Digest, the report includes detailed forecasts of consumer sales and revenues in the US and Europe for both new video formats through 2011, with each predicted to establish a viable installed base.

The report goes on to calculate that format-exclusive studios could be missing out on significant revenues, potentially eschewing over $270 million in consumer spending over 2008 alone. With so much at stake, Screen Digest expects several single-format studios to reassess their positions in 2008.

Although Paramount's recent decision to exclusively support HD DVD would seem to undermine the report's prediction, Screen Digest says that the move effectively secured HD DVD's immediate future, and cleared the way for the other studios that currently support one platform only to move to an agnostic position without being perceived as the studio solely responsible for prolonging a format war, or for killing off one of the formats.

"Christmas 2007 is going to be critical for the hi-def video business," said Richard Cooper, Screen Digest Video Analyst. "Both formats will be seeking to secure consumer buy-in to their proposition during the critical holiday season but with so much at stake on both sides we think it is highly unlikely that one format will emerge as the 'winner.'

"Once it becomes clear that both formats are gaining customer acceptance, studios that have chosen to support one format over the other will realize that they are missing out on potential sales and will have to decide how long they can afford to place principle over profit."

"We believe that eventually most will decide to offer their titles on both HD DVD and Blu-ray in order to maximize their returns."

 

[nubbe]

I got a Pioneer BDC-202 for my PC... which makes it a HTPC now I guess. With it I picked up Casino Royale and Resident Evil Apocalypse.

It is nice to see some more affordable readers coming for the PC so you can get a HD player with PCM audio without much overhead.

The first thing that struck me with Casino Royale was the awesome bump mapping. It easily makes the best DVD upscaled videos look like muddy messes. Really impressive.

 

[ManaByte]

Bump mapping?!

 

[nubbe]

Yeah it is all over the walls and floors! The normal mapping and furr shaders are really awesome too.

 

[StoOgE]

hddvd blast processing am total

 

[DarkJediKnight]

Looks like some lucky chump got his set already.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

looks like an aussie release. nice. I'll go check it out today.

 

[Petrarca]

here's a scary thought, I may have to get a 360

 

[OokieSpookie]

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...port_Predicts_Blu-ray,_HD_DVD_to_Co-Exist/971


Report Predicts Blu-ray, HD DVD to Co-Exist

That is asinine on a few accounts.

a) unless they switched at the same time, as soon as one went non exclusive it would tilt the side and be a detriment to the other.

b) as far as profit goes, it has to cost more to split your production to two formats instead of just one and the boost in sales would be affected by that.

 

[Manmademan]

From Highdefdigest:
Sony Pictures Home Entertainment has announced it will release the anime title 'Paprika' this November.

Directed by Satoshi Kon ('Perfect Blue,' 'Tokyo Godfathers'), 'Paprika' is based on a 1991 story by legendary Japanese writer Yasutaka Tsutsui about a beautiful young psychotherapist whose alter-ego enters people's dreams in order to understand their subconscious thoughts.

Hailed by critics, the film enjoyed a long run in limited US theatrical release, first hitting theaters in late May of this year, and was still playing on sixteen screens as recently as last weekend.

Building on the film's strong momentum, Sony today announced a cross-format bow for 'Paprika' on Blu-ray and standard-def DVD for November 27.

Complete audio/video specs weren't available at press time, but the Blu-ray release is set to carry over four featurettes from the standard-def release, plus several high-def exclusives, including storyboard comparisons, animatics and photo galleries.

'Paprika' will be Sony's second Anime title to be released on Blu-ray, following 'Tekkonkinkreet,' which is due to hit stores September 25.

Sony has set a $38.96 list price for 'Paprika.

REALLY nice. I rarely watch anime anymore, but Paprika was a GREAT film. First day purchase for me.

spoiler:

Spoiler

still can't believe she ends up banging the fat guy though. what the hell.

 

[nubbe]

Spoiler

still can't believe she ends up banging the fat guy though. what the hell.

Fan service

 

[Days like these...]

here's a scary thought, I may have to get a 360

Don't be scared pet we're here for you man!

Oh and you might as well pick up the add on while you're at it.

 

[Raistlin]

On Dead Man's Chest, is it just me or is there a lot of grain during the darker scenes? Don't get me wrong, the detail is still incredibly vibrant, but when I look at the darker spots, like the night sky shots, I see a lot of grain. Is that the video, or could it just be my set? And for all I know, it could be normal.

On the average, it seems that a lot of AVC encodes have a bit more detail ... however, they seem to also have more artifacts in dark scenes. :/

 

[DarkJediKnight]

here's a scary thought, I may have to get a 360

Do you play games? If so, the 360 is BY FAR the best platform for gaming.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

On the average, it seems that a lot of AVC encodes have a bit more detail ... however, they seem to also have more artifacts in dark scenes. :/

AVC tends to have the sharpest transfers. I don't know if this is because the bitrates are generally higher than VC-1 but that's how it is. AVC also preserves film grain really well. VC-1 on the other hand is smoother and film gain is reduced. For grainier films, I prefer VC-1, but it doesn't really matter.

 

[gandda]

Do you play games? If so, the 360 is BY FAR the best platform for gaming.

no, it's not. not even. relax

and more pertinent to this thread, can you get hard boiled in HD for just 10 bucks more on 360? i don't think so

 

[gkryhewy]

no, it's not. not even. relax

Well, you make some excellent points there. I'm selling my 360, it's all over. Game Gear FTW! And more pertinent to this thread, I'm selling my add-on to petrarca.

 

[Petrarca]

Do you play games? If so, the 360 is BY FAR the best platform for gaming.

yeah I just found out couple days ago NG2 is 360-exclusive

 

[gandda]

Well, you make some excellent points there. I'm selling my 360, it's all over. Game Gear FTW! And more pertinent to this thread, I'm selling my add-on to petrarca.

heh, would the add on be useful much if his 360 red rings playing NG2?

i hope i have a point in there somewhere

also, darkjediknight, i just noticed your tag >.<

 

[StoOgE]

yeah I just found out couple days ago NG2 is 360-exclusive

umm.. bioshock?

 

[gkryhewy]

heh, would the add on be useful much if his 360 red rings playing NG2?

i hope i have a point in there somewhere

also, darkjediknight, i just noticed your tag >.<

HOPES DASHED. If you have any more cliches or lame one-liners, now would be a time to go for the trifecta.

Spoiler

HINT: 360 is loud and doesn't include wireless! Also things break! Also Japan sales LOL. Etc, etc, etc. Your raison d entre is spoiled.

 

[SRG01]

Guys, if you want to talk console wars, go somewhere else. There's an entire forum for that.

 

[gandda]

now would be a time to go for the trifecta

don't mind if i do

360 is loud and doesn't include wireless
japan sales are a cause for lulz. (not even american ps3 sales are that bad amirite? LOL)
and y'know, things break

Spoiler

thanks for the help!

Guys, if you want to talk console wars, go somewhere else. There's an entire forum for that.

aight, back on topic: bluray is winning the HD format war because of the ps3, and will win the HD format war because of disney. come on now

 

[ChrisJames]

gandda I think you stumbeld into the wrong forum or something...

 

[VictimOfGrief]

Could Sony offer both and get money on both sides of the table? :lol Man that would be nuts.

 

[gandda]

i think i stumbled onto the wrong internet, even

where is my compass

 

[Duderz]

Finally at Paprika release date. We had the title in our system at work, but it's nice to see a confirmation. I'll need to buy a Blu-Ray player by the time it comes out - anxious to see how a traditionally animated film looks in hi-def. If anyone has it, screencaps would be nice!

And, yeah, that ending totally came out of nowhere. I read an interview with Satoshi Kon who elaborated on it, but still...

 

[The Main Event]

i think i stumbled onto the wrong internet, even

where is my compass

Your contribution to this thread sure makes everyone exhilarating.

 

[TAJ]

AVC tends to have the sharpest transfers. I don't know if this is because the bitrates are generally higher than VC-1 but that's how it is. AVC also preserves film grain really well. VC-1 on the other hand is smoother and film gain is reduced. For grainier films, I prefer VC-1, but it doesn't really matter.

Having watched hundreds of titles across both formats on good 1080p setups, I have to say that the "sharpest detail" and "best-preserved film grain" (or most natural-looking grain, however you want to word it) crowns both go to VC-1 titles, those being Hot Fuzz and Children of Men respectively.
I mainly associate the "smoother" look of VC-1 with titles that dip into DVD-Video level video bitrates like The Departed.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Picked up Spiderman trilogy @ JBHifi... pretty good price. About $57 USD.

Loaded in into the PS3... and... it has a spiderman icon come up with the blu-ray! That's cool! (normally it's just the generic BD icon). I've been looking for that for a while... now for them to include the splash screen and some sound effects as well.

They need to do this for all videos... just a little added extra. After all, most BD players out there are PS3s.

 

[VanMardigan]

yeah I just found out couple days ago NG2 is 360-exclusive

It would be hilarious if you purchased a 360, then the add-on and I purchased a Ps3. Then the thread is turned upside down. It seems like both things may actually happen, too. :lol

 

[Oni Jazar]

The word is the copies of Spiderman Blu-rays that are out in AU are region free.

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

Ill have my Spider-Man Trilogy tomororrw. (and yes they are region free)

Might hold out watching it till the new TV gets here next week.

Am looking at buying a new reciever.... down to the onkyo 605 and 705.

Can anyone tell me does the 705 have a huge advantage over the 605?

 

[maynerd]

Picked up Spiderman trilogy @ JBHifi... pretty good price. About $57 USD.

Loaded in into the PS3... and... it has a spiderman icon come up with the blu-ray! That's cool! (normally it's just the generic BD icon). I've been looking for that for a while... now for them to include the splash screen and some sound effects as well.

They need to do this for all videos... just a little added extra. After all, most BD players out there are PS3s.

How about some pics and/or impressions of video/audio quality?

 

[Stan The Caddy]

Loaded in into the PS3... and... it has a spiderman icon come up with the blu-ray! That's cool! (normally it's just the generic BD icon). I've been looking for that for a while... now for them to include the splash screen and some sound effects as well.

They need to do this for all videos... just a little added extra. After all, most BD players out there are PS3s.

Awesome! I've been saying that since PS3 first came out. Hopefully its standard atleast for sony movies from now on

 

[VanMardigan]

Am looking at buying a new reciever.... down to the onkyo 605 and 705.

Can anyone tell me does the 705 have a huge advantage over the 605?

Isn't the main difference the amount of hdmi ports? I need a new receiver too, so I may as well start doing some research. I guess I don't have to rush since I'd need a Ps3 or standalone HD DVD player for it to really matter.

 

[Petrarca]

umm.. bioshock?

yup I'm bioshocked!

I was expecting PS3 to get some share, since we got Sigma, but noooooo! M$ just had to money-hat Tecmo

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

Isn't the main difference the amount of hdmi ports? I need a new receiver too, so I may as well start doing some research. I guess I don't have to rush since I'd need a Ps3 or standalone HD DVD player for it to really matter.

Yep the 705 has an extra HDMI port.

According to the specs back the 705 has THX™ Select2™ Certified (with THX Processing) which the 605 doesnt have.

Thats the only difference I can see apart from the extra HDMI a little extra Watt power.

But is it worth the paying more for?

 

[Oni Jazar]

From AVS: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=909352

SM3 menu shots:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n176/Atari_Dude/IMG_0908.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n176/Atari_Dude/IMG_0909.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n176/Atari_Dude/IMG_0910.jpg

Random impressions:

Spiderman TrueHD track on looks in the range for a 16 bit track (1.5 / 2ish Mbps)
Spiderman 2 TrueHD track definitely looks like a 24bit track (high 3 / low 4 Mbps)
Spiderman 3 TrueHD track definitely looks like a 24bit track, PCM is 16bit, 4.6Mbps

All three disks looks like they have BD-J, pretty cool menus, a bookmarking feature and all of them put up a specific icon and text in the PS3 menu system.

Crayon I didn't know what you meant before you mean there's a spiderman image on the XMB? That's great can you take a picture?

 

[BoboBrazil]

Can PS3 due truehd 5.1 through an optical cable?

 

[Petrarca]

Yeah I can't wait for this!

Lindsay Lohan on Hi-Def!!!!!! take that HD-DVD!

I Know Who Killed Me Announced for Blu-ray
Posted September 18, 2007 by Josh

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment has announced they are bringing the Lindsey Lohan box office bomb 'I Know Who Killed Me' to Blu-ray on November 27th. Video will be presented as 2.35:1 1080p and accompanied by a 5.1 PCM soundtrack. Extras will include an alternate opening and ending, blooper reel, and extended strip scene.

 

[VanMardigan]

Can PS3 due truehd 5.1 through an optical cable?

TrueHD isn't possible on optical iirc. Anything beyond DD and DTS requires HDMI (including DD plus)

 

[The Main Event]

http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-newsview.php?id=727

Paramount Home Entertainment has formally dated 'Shrek the Third' on HD DVD for a November 13 release, day-and-date with the standard DVD. Per Paramount's recent pledge to support HD DVD exclusively, 'Shrek the Third' will not be available on Blu-ray Disc.

'Shrek the Third' will be presented in widescreen 1080p video and Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 audio, the same non-lossless audio treatment Paramount has given 'Transformers.'

Supplemental material will be presented in 1080p high definition across the board and include the following:

* The Animators’ Corner (a picture-in-picture experience featuring storyboards, deleted scene pitches and technical goofs)
* Shrek's Guide to Parenthood HD
* Meet the Cast
* Lost Scenes HD
* The Fauxly Grail HD
* Hot Lunch HD
* Cyrano De Artie HD
* Doppelgangers HD
* Tech of Shrek HD
* Donkey Dance HD
* Big Green Goofs HD
* My Menu (customizable character menu skins)
* Dreamworks Animation Video Jukebox HD
* Trailers HD: Bee Movie, Kung Fu Panda
* Web Enabled Features: Shrek’s Trivia Track (available on street date), The World of Shrek, Donkey’s Digital Coloring Book (available TBD)
* Merlin's Magic Crystal Ball HD
* Learn the Donkey Dance HD
* How to Be Green HD

No TrueHD again.

Paramount Re-Announces 'Zodiac' on HD DVD

http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-newsview.php?id=728

Paramount Home Entertainment has announced 'Zodiac (Director's Cut)' will be available January 8 on HD DVD in a two-disc set.

The theatrical version of 'Zodiac' was originally announced for release on HD DVD alongside a standard DVD version before the HD DVD was pulled. The extra six-month wait will bring the definitive version home in high definition without a double-dip. The same can't be said for the standard DVD version which sees a double-dip less than a year since first debuting.

Paramount has yet to reveal any technical or supplemental material specs for the HD DVD version. We were able to pull this list of supplementals from the companion two-disc DVD version, all of which should appear on HD DVD. We don't know if there will be an additional HD DVD exclusive feature or what resolution the extras will be presented in at this time, though keep in mind Paramount has historically given their two-disc HD DVDs high definition extras.

* Commentary by Director David Fincher
* Zodiac Deciphered
* Commentary by Jake Gyllenhall, Robert Downey Jr., Producer Brad Fischer, James Vanderbilt and James Ellroy
* The Visual Effects of Zodiac
* Digital Workflow
* Sequence Breakdowns
* Trailers and TV spots
* This is the Zodiac Speaking
* His Name Was Arthur Leigh Allen
* Linguistic Analysis
* Jeopardy Surface: Geographic Profiling (6:30 video)
* Dr. Kim Rossmo's Geographic Profile of the Zodiac (text-based)
* The Psychology of Aggression: Behavioral Profiling (5:30 video)
* Special Agent Sharon Pagaling-Hagan's Behavioral Profile of the Zodiac (text-based)

 

[VanMardigan]

No TrueHD again.

Uh-Oh. Well, I guess the backlash won't be as big because Shrek 3 mostly sucked anyway.

Spoiler

I'm still getting it

 

[jjasper]

What about the other Shrek movies? I liked 1 and 2 but thought 3 was the worst movie I had seen in a long time.

 

[RaidenZR]

Eff you Paramount. I wanted my Zodiac for my BR.

 

[Matrix]

whats the deal on amazon.com with Troy Directors Cut and Smallville Season 6 on both blu-ray and Hd-dvd,both say "usually ships in 2-5 weeks"

Did they not make enough :\

I pre-ordered Smallville and it hasnt shipped,was thinking about ordering Troy DC today and it has that for a ship date,ugh.

 

[jjasper]

Sounds like Anchor Bay's first release is a good one:

http://www.dvdreview.com/reviews/pages/2682.shtml

However, I doubt that you ever have seen "Halloween" quite like on this Blu-Ray Disc from Anchor Bay Entertainment. While the DVD versions did a great job in terms of color reproduction and overall clarity, this high definition transfer adds an entire new dimension of detail to the presentation. It is safe to say that the look removes all signs of age from the movie, making it look as if it were shot yesterday. I swear, if you give it its first look you will not believe that you are watching a film that is close to 30 years old!
The transfer is incredibly sharp and holds every bit of detail, even in murky and underlit conditions. I thought the restored DVD version was amazing – until I saw this Blu-Ray version. Prepare yourself to count the lines on the wallpaper in the Myers house, for example, as every bit of the wallpaper pattern and texture is clearly visible. You will single blades of grass in the shots of Laurie walking home from school and you can count the leaves on the trees. Unbelievably, this transfer adds another level of detail to the presentation that you thought was pristine before. I can't even put into words, how fans of the movie will enjoy this!

 

[djtortilla]

bluray and hddvd coexist? hmmm...

what so the xbox720 will use hddvd with less space

and the ps4, if it comes out, will use bluray with more space.

this would be interesting

 

[StoOgE]

Am looking at buying a new reciever.... down to the onkyo 605 and 705.

Can anyone tell me does the 705 have a huge advantage over the 605?

danger.

when using HDMI audio, a high number of these Onkyo recievers may wierd buzzing/whiney noises. Its not just the new models, Onkyo has done this for two model years now.