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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Oni Jazar

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artredis1980 said:
http://www.tvpredictions.com/warner091007.htm





Also


http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Features/hidef_wars.asp?view=1&userid=99365744096500

Neison Sales of HD DVD vs Blu Ray movies


HD DVD had 67 percent of sales this week
Blu Ray had 33

*clap* *clap*

Well you got three people to believe your shit.

1) That article is old. Warner has recently come out and explicitly stated that they will be staying neutral until next year when they will rethink their position based on the market.

Despite reports that Warner Home Video has been offered lucrative payments to follow Paramount’s path and become an exclusive HD DVD high-definition disc provider, the company’s president Ron Sanders told TWICE at CEDIA Expo that the company has enjoyed strong sales in both formats and will likely continue to support both until that changes.

2) That is NOT neilson data that is DVDempire data ie - software sales sold THROUGH THEIR SITE. And where did you ge 67/33? Latest data point on that site is 52/47 in favor of Blu-ray.
 

Costanza

Banned
Oni Jazar said:
*clap* *clap*

Well you got three people to believe your shit.

1) That article is old. Warner has recently come out and explicitly stated that they will be staying neutral until next year when they will rethink their position based on the market.
Oh shit, I didn't even click through - Sept 10th :lol
 

Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
Oni Jazar said:
*clap* *clap*

Well you got three people to believe your shit.

1) That article is old. Warner has recently come out and explicitly stated that they will be staying neutral until next year when they will rethink their position based on the market.



2) That is NOT neilson data that is DVDempire data ie - software sales sold THROUGH THEIR SITE. And where did you ge 67/33? Latest data point on that site is 52/47 in favor of Blu-ray.

I didn't want to say anything... I thought he was a junior member with super insider status.

... yeah, no. I should've blasted him for been the FUD spreading turd that he was :/
 

duk

Banned
I want to make the jump already, but market will not decide on a winner until well into 2009 it seems. Next gen DVD sales are a drop in the bucket compared to DVD sales still and will remain that way for a long time.
 

Oni Jazar

Member
duk said:
I want to make the jump already, but market will not decide on a winner until well into 2009 it seems. Next gen DVD sales are a drop in the bucket compared to DVD sales still and will remain that way for a long time.

I think you've got it backwards, the market won't decide the winner, the market will do what you do and wait until there's a clear victor. HDM will always be a drop in the DVD bucket unless there is one single format.
 
duk said:
I want to make the jump already, but market will not decide on a winner until well into 2009 it seems. Next gen DVD sales are a drop in the bucket compared to DVD sales still and will remain that way for a long time.

I'm glad I jumped on with HD-DVD now, as I think it has the better library of available titles. I have Dune, 300 (for free), Blades of Glory, Bourne Identity 1 & 2, Batman Begins, Serentiy, Matrix Trilogy, Smokey & The Bandit, King Kong (for free), Goodfellas, & The Untouchables. Most of those were bought for $20 or less, so no regrets at all. Plus I have the five free HD-DVD movies coming. Plan to get Shrek 3 and the Transformers at the end of the year. I bought my PS3 for Blu-Ray though, and I do have seven Blu-Ray discs. I just find better deals on the HD-DVD movies. One thing to note since I have both format options now, the menu screens on HD-DVD are so much better than Blu-Ray. I hope if there is one format in the near future that the HD-DVD menu screen layout is used.
 

BigDug13

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The longer this war drags on, the closer we get to affordable dual format players. Once that happens, both formats will probably continue, and consumers will finally jump onboard once they have affordable players that will play both.

Either way, it puts Sony in a difficult position. They needed HD-DVD to be instantly beaten to make their choices that resulted in PS3 being a distant 3rd place pay off. If that doesn't happen and we end up buying movies on both formats for our dual players, Sony loses.
 

JB1981

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it appears that the Troy: Director's Cut is not available on netflix. anyone know of any good deals on it?

any reviews/previews, etc. I'm kind of interested in seeing what the director's cut is like
 
A distributer who works with both HD DVD and Blu-ray has tipped the AVS forum that DTS MA firmware updates would be avaiable this Q4. My guess is, for the Panasonic Blu-ray player and the PS3.
 

LM4sure

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OokieSpookie said:
And this thread had been so nicely junior free....
For the record...from your own link....Blu Ray 52.14% vs HD 47.86%


Wow. Hd-dvd has definitely cut into blu ray sales! Awesome. It looks like hd-dvd is gaining a lot of momentum. If this trend continues, I might actually buy an hd-dvd plaayer!!
 
LM4sure said:
Wow. Hd-dvd has definitely cut into blu ray sales! Awesome. It looks like hd-dvd is gaining a lot of momentum. If this trend continues, I might actually buy an hd-dvd plaayer!!

LOL do not get your hopes up too high, this is just one sites version of the numbers.
The last official numbers had it 60/40
 

Oni Jazar

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Good news for Die Hard fans who don't want the entire collection:

Now the studio has released brand new specs for the box set, which has been renamed 'The Die Hard Collection' and is set to include all four films in the franchise. Furthermore, Fox now says it will also make the first three films -- 'Die Hard,' 'Die Hard 2: Die Harder' and 'Die Hard with a Vengeance' -- available as stand-alone Blu-ray releases.

Details for each of the individual films remain the same, with each 'Die Hard' flick enjoying a BD-50 dual-layer disc with 1080p/AVC MPEG-4 video and DTS-HD Lossless Master Audio 5.1 surround tracks.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/new...nts/Fox_Re-Jiggers_Die_Hard_Blu-ray_Plans/970

I pray that the PS3 gets a DTS-HD decoder this holiday.
 
LM4sure said:
Wow. Hd-dvd has definitely cut into blu ray sales! Awesome. It looks like hd-dvd is gaining a lot of momentum. If this trend continues, I might actually buy an hd-dvd plaayer!!

Those aren't the Nielsen numbers.

LOL @ the junior in this thread.
 
SRG01 said:
Would it actually take up the entire BD-50? I would love it if they managed to put all three films on one disc. :D

It would look like crap. 1080p has 6 times the resolution of DVD, and it takes rougly 4 times the disc space of a comparable DVD transfer. So, let's say a DVD at 480i takes about 5gb for video only, a similar transfer in 1080p will be around 20gb. There is no way you can fit all the Die Hard movies on one 50gb disc unless the bitrates are in mid single digit numbers.
 

SRG01

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DarkJediKnight said:
It would look like crap. 1080p has 6 times the resolution of DVD, and it takes rougly 4 times the disc space of a comparable DVD transfer. So, let's say a DVD at 480i takes about 5gb for video only, a similar transfer in 1080p will be around 20gb. There is no way you can fit all the Die Hard movies on one 50gb disc unless the bitrates are in mid single digit numbers.

Time for 200gb discs, I think! :lol
 
Toshiba 51GB triple-layer HD DVD standard not final version



Jimmy Hsu, Taipei; Adam Hwang, DIGITIMES [Monday 17 September 2007]



A Toshiba-developed single-sided triple-layer HD DVD disc format with a total storage capacity of 51GB that was reportedly approved by the DVD Forum is just a preliminary version (version 1.9) rather than a final one, according to industry sources in Taiwan.

Although Toshiba unveiled the new disc standard at the 2007 Consumer Electronics Show in January 2007, neither the company nor the DVD Forum have officially released an announcement of the approval, the sources pointed out.

The 51GB triple-layer HD DVD standard will enhance the competitiveness of HD DVD against Blu-ray Disc (BD), since the largest storage capacity of a single-sided double-layer BD disc is 50GB, the sources indicated. But even if the final version of the triple-layer HD DVD standard comes out soon, it would take one to three quarters before the start of production of corresponding disc drives/players and the production costs during the initial stages may be higher than that of BD drives/players, the sources noted.


Looks like Toshiba's 51gb announcement was a little premature. It's not even close to finalization.
 

SUPREME1

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Oni Jazar said:
Two choices for perfect demo material:

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (PCM)
Corpse Bride



Agreed.

Another one is OPEN SEASON.. PQ is straight sehks..
and the movie itself is light-hearted and cute.


*sigh* where have I left my testies..?
 
On Dead Man's Chest, is it just me or is there a lot of grain during the darker scenes? Don't get me wrong, the detail is still incredibly vibrant, but when I look at the darker spots, like the night sky shots, I see a lot of grain. Is that the video, or could it just be my set? And for all I know, it could be normal.
 

Bebpo

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Thanks to duckroll for the info:

Jin-Roh is coming to the US with BETTER features than the $100 Japanese version that streets next week. The US one is $80 (or $55 at Amazon) and is missing the DVD version of the film included in the Japanese release, but instead gets a 522 page storyboard book that came with the Japanese DVD LE years ago (it's an awesome book).

I cancelled my JPN order and will be picking this up instead.

Paprika also got a release date in the US for the same day I think, $38.95.


These are the Blu-ray versions.
 
Bebpo said:
Thanks to duckroll for the info:

Jin-Roh is coming to the US with BETTER features than the $100 Japanese version that streets next week. The US one is $80 (or $55 at Amazon) and is missing the DVD version of the film included in the Japanese release, but instead gets a 522 page storyboard book that came with the Japanese DVD LE years ago (it's an awesome book).

I cancelled my JPN order and will be picking this up instead.

Paprika also got a release date in the US for the same day I think, $38.95.


These are the Blu-ray versions.

Here is the press release that BV USA sent out:

A Production I.G classic for Blu-ray Disc release in the US on November 27, 2007!

Torrance, Calif., September 17, 2007 - Bandai Visual USA today announced the release of the theatrical animation film JIN-ROH in Blu-ray Disc. The release date is slated for November 27, 2007.
Set in an alternate history Japan in the 1950s, the story unfolds around Kazuki Fuse, a member of the military police force, who shuts down his human side for his duty. It develops into a psychological drama of Fuse who is torn between love and his loyalty to the Wolf Brigade.
From the creator Mamoru Oshii, the director Hiroyuki Okiura, and the staff who brought us “Ghost in the Shell” at Production I.G, one of anime’s finest achievements is beautifully re-mastered for the Blu-ray Disc format! The 20-page booklet, the complete storyboards and the theatrical trailers add more value to this much anticipated high-def edition box release.

Title: JIN-ROH : The Wolf Brigade
Format: Blu-ray Disc
Catalog #: BUXH0140
UPC#: 858604001400
Street Date: November 27, 2007
SRP: $79.99

Features:
* New High Definition master captures the meticulously drawn images and subtle tones as never before possible on DVD
* 5.1ch English / Japanese Language Audio
* Optional English / Japanese Subtitles
* Comes in Special Artbox Slipcase
* 20-page Booklet exploring the world of Jin-Roh with new interview of director Hiroyuki Okiura
* Complete 522-page storyboards book (Japanese)

Further information will be available soon at http://www.bandaivisual.us/products_next.html

I'd love to see Char's Counterattck get a similar treatment...
 

Bebpo

Banned
VanMardigan said:
Why no HD DVD versions?

HD-DVD really doesn't exist much in Japan, so anime = Japan = Japanese publishers = Blu-ray. The early dual-format releases were supposedly a result of BV's obligations to MS, which don't seem to exist anymore.
 
http://www.dvdtherapy.com/news.php

On December 11th Universal Home Video will release The Jason Bourne Collection on DVD and HD-DVD.

The collection will include both previous Bourne films plus The Bourne Ultimatum for the first time. All three films will come housed in collectible 'Safe Deposit Box' packaging which will include a Jason Bourne passport. No disc specs have been released at this time but once we receive the final press release we will let you know!
 
Bebpo said:
HD-DVD really doesn't exist much in Japan, so anime = Japan = Japanese publishers = Blu-ray. The early dual-format releases were supposedly a result of BV's obligations to MS, which don't seem to exist anymore.

So, when will we see Freedom on Blu-ray, or is it exclusive due to some clause in their contractual obligations to MS?

Didn't BV pretty much kill the HD-DVD release in Japan?

edit: Van, I noticed you said versions, and not version, so you might have been asking about Paprika, too. It's a Sony Pictures Classics release.
 

djkimothy

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brandonh83 said:
On Dead Man's Chest, is it just me or is there a lot of grain during the darker scenes? Don't get me wrong, the detail is still incredibly vibrant, but when I look at the darker spots, like the night sky shots, I see a lot of grain. Is that the video, or could it just be my set? And for all I know, it could be normal.

Yah, night scenes are grainy.
 

Flo_Evans

Member
GDJustin said:
FINALLY jumping into the HD scene with a 40'' 1080p Samsung LCD + PS3.

What's the ONE HD Blu-Ray movie that will absolutely blow my fucking face off with its awesome PQ and general amazing-ness?

Please don't list a bunch of movies. I want ONE. I want the first thing I put into my PS3 and display on my new TV make me want to take a dump on the respectable 27'' SD set I've been using since I went to college...

I have been pretty impressed with the movies others have recommended, but IMHO nothing blows away people when I demo my TV like recent animated CGI films. Try Happy Feet, TMNT, or final fantasy TSS.

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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Yeah, Happy Feet is pretty amazing looking, and I like the movie too. I actually blind bought that sucker, and it was well worth it. The Orcas scene is incredible to witness.
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Anyone seen any reviews for Smallvile Season 6 on either HD-DVD or Blu-ray?
 

Bebpo

Banned
distantmantra said:
So, when will we see Freedom on Blu-ray, or is it exclusive due to some clause in their contractual obligations to MS?

Didn't BV pretty much kill the HD-DVD release in Japan?

Yeah, I don't know anything exact as I've just seen the rumors over the last year or so, but it seemed like MS and BV struck a deal to get anime on HD-DVD and that led to exclusive Freedom as the start. Then BV got out of it so they slowly moved away from HD-DVD. Not sure how accurate that is.

Both formats are fairly non-existent in Japan though. Blu-ray has like 90% of the marketshare, but it's a ridiculously small market. BV and a few other companies are just trying to sell to PS3 owners in hopes PS3 eventually makes Blu-ray take off in Japan.
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
VanMardigan said:
If there's two areas where HD DVD is lacking, its family films and anime.



Well, having dreamworks animation exclusive is a HUGE plus for HD DVD IMO.....I am a big Shrek fan and the HD DVD version of Shrek the Third(as long as it isn't limited to Dolby Digital Plus, ala Transformers) is one of the big things drawing me to become a dual format supporter and get one of those 3rd gen Toshibas...


OTOH, not having Disney/Pixar is a blow to HD DVD and as we all know, Blu Ray rules the roost in Japan so that is why you see 90% of the anime HD releases on BR...


Still, it is obvious HD DVD is gaining momentum but without, say, warner HD DVD exclusive I don't see them getting a majority of the High Def marketshare in the future...

Stranger things have happened, though :)
 
From Highdefdigest:
Sony Pictures Home Entertainment has announced it will release the anime title 'Paprika' this November.

Directed by Satoshi Kon ('Perfect Blue,' 'Tokyo Godfathers'), 'Paprika' is based on a 1991 story by legendary Japanese writer Yasutaka Tsutsui about a beautiful young psychotherapist whose alter-ego enters people's dreams in order to understand their subconscious thoughts.

Hailed by critics, the film enjoyed a long run in limited US theatrical release, first hitting theaters in late May of this year, and was still playing on sixteen screens as recently as last weekend.

Building on the film's strong momentum, Sony today announced a cross-format bow for 'Paprika' on Blu-ray and standard-def DVD for November 27.

Complete audio/video specs weren't available at press time, but the Blu-ray release is set to carry over four featurettes from the standard-def release, plus several high-def exclusives, including storyboard comparisons, animatics and photo galleries.

'Paprika' will be Sony's second Anime title to be released on Blu-ray, following 'Tekkonkinkreet,' which is due to hit stores September 25.

Sony has set a $38.96 list price for 'Paprika.
 
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