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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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a Master Ninja
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*contemplates suicide*Chiggs said:
favouriteflavour
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a Master Ninja said:
Unless one format dominates throughout the duration of paramounts deal with hd-dvd I think we are at a stalemate.
The Main Event
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ThirstyFly
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So I picked up 28 Weeks Later on BD and just finished watching it a few minutes ago.
Man, HD really brought that movie to life. I saw it on release in the theaters, and it wasn't nearly as impressive on a normal screen. The difference between the low and high quality footage had much more contrast than I remember and really showed the advantage of HD. When it wants to look bad, it looks damn terrible, and when it wants to look good, it looks friggin' gorgeous.
While it may not be what you'd want to use as a 5-minute showpiece to demo your setup to people like the Pirates movies, the overall package and style of the film really benefit from the format. I'm so glad they went with the mixed footage and not just made the entire film look like garage like Danny Boyle did with the original.
I'm still not quite over the whole "wow factor" with HD either. I still have to pause my movies once in a while to just look at shots and stare at the detail in bricks and stuff.
Man, HD really brought that movie to life. I saw it on release in the theaters, and it wasn't nearly as impressive on a normal screen. The difference between the low and high quality footage had much more contrast than I remember and really showed the advantage of HD. When it wants to look bad, it looks damn terrible, and when it wants to look good, it looks friggin' gorgeous.
While it may not be what you'd want to use as a 5-minute showpiece to demo your setup to people like the Pirates movies, the overall package and style of the film really benefit from the format. I'm so glad they went with the mixed footage and not just made the entire film look like garage like Danny Boyle did with the original.
I'm still not quite over the whole "wow factor" with HD either. I still have to pause my movies once in a while to just look at shots and stare at the detail in bricks and stuff.
distantmantra
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Oni Jazar said:
Amazon is acting funny lately, it took them 9 days to ship out my copy of Robocop on Blu-ray, even though it had been in stock the whole time. They never gave me an explanation for why it was delayed so long. They've also delayed the shipping estimates for all of my upcoming preorders for no reason whatsoever.
Im having a little bit of a different problem.Oni Jazar said:
captive said:Dammit i just got part of my order that i placed along with the buy one get one free from amazon. I got my package that had 8 movies in it, but the other package that had the other 4 says "delivered" on UPS tracking but i didnt get the box.
Does amazon have 24 customer service?
I got my copy of robocop today, ordered monday, but like i said above i didnt get 4 of my movies even though they say they are delivered.distantmantra said:
a Master Ninja said:
There is no way to get into it right now without there being some risk. The reality is that that has been true all along to this point. Whatever choice you make, there is some risk. This is what it means to be an early adopter. So weigh in a comparison of how bad you want it with how big of a risk it is and decide from that.
I honestly still think both formats have a fairly high risk of failure as mainstream media (and I mean collectively, not one or the other). I got a new TV recently, and now I have an HDDVD player (I needed a new DVD player anyways, and the HD-A2 at $200 wasn't that much more than most upconverting dvd players). When a BR player hits $200 or a good combo player hits about $500 I'll probably make that plunge too.
Is there a risk my discs won't be useful in 10 years? Of course. But for now I get them at full res on my new TV. Some I'd rebuy if I had to, others I wouldn't. That's the future.
Chiggs
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Kintaro said:
An Australian retailer. I wonder if it will do anything for HD-DVD. Overseas, HD-DVD is pretty much non-existent.
Edit: 77 Stores in Australia and 12 in New Zealand. I'm sorry, but this isn't a megaton. Nothing like the Blockbuster announcement (edit).
Chiggs said:
Looks like I just found out. :lol
I'm pretty sure it was big news back in February when this retailer announced exclusive support for Blu-ray.
For there to be a reversal now is pretty significant. If this retailer has any influence, which I gather they do, other retailers there may follow suit and that's pretty big.
For there to be a reversal now is pretty significant. If this retailer has any influence, which I gather they do, other retailers there may follow suit and that's pretty big.
Chiggs
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Kolgar said:
I don't want to slight Australia or JB Hifi here, but when I think "huge news", I think of the Paramount/Dreamworks HD-DVD deal, or the Blockbuster Blu-Ray announcement; not some retailer with less than 100 stores worldwide.
If Wal-Mart or Best Buy or Circuit City announces exclusitivity, then yeah, that's big news. Until then....
I do have to admit, HD-DVD is putting on a damn fine guerilla warfare show. Right up there with the AFL taking on the NFL in the 60's.
purnoman3000
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Holy shit, Band of Brothers is available for HD-DVD as a japanese import with an english language track. I'm all over that shit.
Cosmic Bus
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StoOgE said:
The three Section-7 videos that are available so far are kind of lame, although the second one with Grimlock...
was a pretty nice touch.
I'm watching it right now with the Intelligence Mode overlay. Really slick, although (unjustified?) concerns about burn-in are tugging at my mind.
favouriteflavour
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Chiggs said:
Jb hifi is the largest australian retailer of dvds and cds. Whilst australias contribution in terms of numbers globally is not significant, this gesture is.
According to that article, hd dvd does great in europe.
Either way this is great news for me as it means theres more brick and mortar stores which carry HD DVD.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
The Main Event said:
Crayon suicide watch? Whatever happened to our good friends Pet and alcibiades?
I think there's good chance of blockbuster going neutral now unless they were money hatted. Were they money hatted?
favouriteflavour
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purnoman3000 said:
I was keen on that until i saw the price. Went and got the dvd instead.
Captain N said:
Not one bit. I might watch them once, if I'm bored and have nothing else to do, but that's it. The movie, on the other hand, I'll watch over and over. That's why, personally, I think Warner needs to get off their asses and release the stuff that HD-DVD has but Blu-ray doesn't yet.
So I watched Transformers on my 360 HD-DVD player twice with no problems. Then the movie started to freeze right as that "Loading Web Enabled Features" screen comes up, now my HD-DVD player doesn't even recognize the disk. What the fuck is going on? It'll recognize the second disk no problem and I tested three other movies as well just to make sure it wasn't the player.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
XMonkey said:
lol I guess I should have maybe worded things differently. I didnt mean because of the jb hifi deal. I was referring to HD DVD picking up a little momentum and them (blockbuster) not wanting to lose out revenue from Transformers/Shrek etc.
Sallokin said:
LOL web enabled features
Sorry, here's some serious advice - if it's like that other movie that had problems booting up, it drops a cookie on your Xbox. Maybe if you delete the cookie it will start loading again? I don't know how to do that because I don't have an Xbox HD DVD drive but if you go back a few pages you'll probably find instructions on how to do this.
MickeyKnox
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Jodorowsky in HD?White Man said:I am watching The Holy Mountain right now, and I really wish I could get this in HD
Unfortunately I guess I will have to wait like a decade.
:lol
Take the date HD replaces dvd then tack on that decade.
Marty Chinn
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Sallokin said:
Go into the options and just disable the network access. It's retarded and I can't believe this was supposed to be one of the benefits of HD-DVD over Blu-Ray.
Clearing out the cookies seems to have done the trick, at least the player is recognizing the movie now. Thanks for the help.
EDIT - Worked like a charm. Movie launches every time now. I wonder if this happened because I tried to cancel the update when I saw the screen pop up for the third time.
EDIT - Worked like a charm. Movie launches every time now. I wonder if this happened because I tried to cancel the update when I saw the screen pop up for the third time.
Shpeshal Nick
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Chiggs said:
Huge news will depend on the region you're from.
If this move is a step towards HD DVD winning over Australia, then it is.
Ignore or don't ignore the PS3 all you like. Right now, the PS3 appears to mean shit, because despite the imbalance of TOTAL Blu-ray players vs HD DVD players, HD DVD still obliterates Blu-ray for attach rates, in other words, PS3 owners aren't buying Blu-ray movies.
This EXTREMELY early in the game, attach rates will mean more than pure numbers. In most cases a neutral title will only sell more Blu-ray copies by around 10-20K if that, not much considering the MILLIONS of 'Blu-ray players' out there.
ChrisJames
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HyperionX said:
How much does it outsell HD DVD by? In actual units, not percentage, it's probably by a few hundred every month (in countries outside of N.A.). Not some insurmountable number.
This "war" is only in its infancy right now. Hopefully, the market matures/people adopt the format(s) and then we can have a clear cut winner. It would obviously be better for only one HD format to exist, but that's not happening, and with the way the studios are aligned we are stuck in this situation for a while.
Chiggs said:
HD-DVD is pretty much fight to stay alive though. The only reason why HD-DVD is even in the game is because the market is small enough such that bribes can convince a major player to switch sides. Once the market grows beyond the reach of bribes, HD-DVD will be done. The only possible way this may not happen is if neither every catches on, so everything gets mired into a stalemate leading to the failure of HD movies.
ChrisJames said:
More like a few thousand. The market is small, but not tiny. Also, in certain regions HD-DVD is totally fucked. Japan it's like 10-1 or 20-1. HD-DVD is like the Xbox in that region. Other regions it's in the neighborhood of 4-1 or worse off.
No matter how big or small the leads are, it fundamentally boils down to how HD-DVD could every break out of the situation it's in. Once you start to think in that manner, it becomes clear why HD-DVD has no chance, because it simply can't ever get into the lead.
Yes. The sooner this is over, the sooner we're better off, whether it's HD-DVD or Blu-ray. Unfortunately, we have a diehard group of HD-DVD fanboys who are more interested in attacking Sony than any real interest in movies. If only that small group of people were to change their minds, this could end right away.
Onix said:
Seriously, whoever is in charge of this on the HD DVD side needs to get a clue. You could lose network connectivity, the power could go out, or the user could simply try to cancel...and then the movie fails to boot after that? They should have built this so that it's impossible, corrupt cookie or not, for the movie to not boot...and who wants to wait minutes for the movie to start because it's trying to download some junk onto your player? The thing should only be downloading crap if you're asking it to download content (and you thought unskippable trailers were annoying...)
I'm surprised the ZOMG DRM tinfoil hat brigade aren't freaking out by the privacy implications of these network features...and I'm wondering what happens in 5 years when the servers go down.
Does anyone know if this is a quirk of the Xbox 360 HD DVD software or if it's a problem on the standalones as well? Hopefully it's something that can be fixed globally on all players without putting the onus on the content authors to handle all the errors gracefully...
dankir said:
I can only speak for myself (non- Transformers fan), but the designs for everyone outside Prime and Bumblebee were so same-y that I honestly had a hard time telling the difference between robots. Especially the final action scene. There were like 10 robots, but only 2-3 were unique enough/developed enough for me to know who they were and what side they were on. So no, I wouldnt have that reaction in TF2, as I dont have a clue what robots were even in the first film.
Oni Jazar said:
It's whenever you use free shipping now they intentionally screw you over. They used to be good to me and ship my free shipping orders out in a couple days but now they are adding 5 to 10 days on your order for no reason. Go in and change your shipping to a fee shipping and it will miraculously ship out quicker. I just had to do that with some stuff I needed for work. At free shipping it said wouldn't ship till the 25th off Oct. Changed to lowest shipping cost and suddenly they were able to ship it the next day so I will have it by the end of the week. And its just some work paper.
Crayon Shinchan
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ChrisJames said:
I suppose that's one way to spin things. The other way to spin things is that, despite the strong standalone hardware sales lead that HD-DVD had at the beginning of this year, they've not only let it slip, they've lost it. And that's when you're not considering PS3s. If you do consider PS3s, HD-DVD isn't any sort of credible threat, other than as one of obfuscating HD media adoption.
It's telling that HD-DVD is more likely to cause both formats to stagnate, then for it to actually clinch the HD-format victory, much less HD-format victory AND HD media adoption victory.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
HyperionX said:
I really like how you chime in from time to time spouting your doomsday scenario and how HD DVD has no chance.
Secondly nice generalization there. What the hell are we hd dvd owners doing buying movies when we don't "have any real interest in movies"
Lastly and this goes out to mana, van, thaivo, stooge lets just turn in our jackets and end this format war "right away" for the good of blah... blah... blah...
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