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[Ignatz Mouse]

That's why they feel the standalone numbers are the better barometer for determining format strength.

This (which you said you agreed with) seems to imply that dedicated players are the best barometer. Hence, PS3 does not matter.

Do I misunderstand?

 

[mollipen]

What is it with you Blu Ray folks and FUD all of a sudden? Why the need to make patently false statements? If anything, I'd expect the HD DVD folks to make up lies about Sony and Fox and stuff since we're the ones "losing".

I certainly don't see anything pointing to the fact that Microsoft has "given up" on HD-DVD... but I'd make the argument that they never cared about it in the first place. I think people have to be really naive to think that MS honestly gives a crap about HD-DVD, and it winning.

I'm in the crazy conspiracy camp that is positive that they're just supporting it to help prolong the war, and try to make sure that neither win. If you look back at the history of MS, that's exactly the type of thing they're known for doing.

 

[VanMardigan]

This (which you said you agreed with) seems to imply that dedicated players are the best barometer. Hence, PS3 does not matter.

Do I misunderstand?

No, I don't think you misunderstood. I think you purposely took that out of context and ignored other statements IN THAT VERY POST:

I think everybody on the HD DVD side here understands how important the Ps3 is to Blu Ray (its lifeline, really).

Its obvious the Ps3 was Blu Ray's savior

Additionally, besides repeatedly talking about the importance of the Ps3 on other occasions in this very thread, that post specifically talked about the importance of the Ps3 as the formats seek to gain mainstream acceptance. Really, you've sunk pretty low now in terms of twisting my post away from what it VERY OBVIOUSLY stated.

The converse of "dedicated players are the best barometer" is NOT "Ps3 doesn't matter"

I'm in the crazy conspiracy camp that is positive that they're just supporting it to help prolong the war, and try to make sure that neither win.

Yeah, I remember that "camp", and many in that camp were the same ones claiming that "I don't care about HD media" Microsoft was responsible for the $150 million Paramount deal.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I don't think context makes it any better. What you added was to say that PS3 is life-support for the format ("important") but long term is meaningless, and hence does not need to be counted now.

Again, if I misunderstand, let me know-- but for somebody bitching about FUD you sure spout a fair amount of your own.

dhrone sums it up best-- coutn software, and if dedicated player sales really mean that much, it will be reflected in software sales.

 

[jjasper]

more on the Jack Ryan collection:

Paramount Recalls 'Jack Ryan' HD DVD
Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 12:00 PM ET

Following reports of a packaging error, Paramount has issued a recall of its forthcoming HD DVD release of 'The Jack Ryan Collection.'

As we first reported Tuesday, early copies of the highly anticipated release found their way into consumers hands earlier this week, but fans who were initially delighted to snap up a sneak peek began noticing something strange as they dived into the four-disc set.
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Despite the "Special Collector's Edition" label clearly stamped across the front cover of each disc in the set, and a list of bonus features promoted on the box art (including audio commentaries, featurettes, and more), no one was able to find the advertised supplementary material on any of the actual discs.

As these reports began to surface, fan reaction was swift and predominantly negative in our forums area, with most wondering how a mistake like this could slip by the studio.

Today, Paramount has issued a street delay for the disc, and is asking all retailers return their stock to the distributor. No new street date has been announced, and at press time it wasn't clear whether the studio is planning to ultimately release the existing barebones discs with new corrected packaging, or with new feature-packed discs. We'll let you know as more information comes in.

The text of Paramount's email to retailers follows below:

Please be advised that there are typographical errors on the packaging for the Jack Ryan Special Collector's Edition HD-DVD. The packaging inadvertently notes special features that are not on the HD-DVD. As a result, this product is being recalled and street date is being delayed.We ask that you do not sell or rent this product to consumers and that you stop shipments to additional destinations. A Paramount Home Entertainment Representative will contact you with an RA number to facilitate sending the product back to Paramount Home Entertainment's manufacturing facility. Returned product should include any unit previously shipped to retailers or other destinations as well as your on-hand inventory. We will provide further information on the availability of new product shortly. Should you have any further questions, please contact a Paramount Home Entertainment Representative. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

Thanks to Shannon and Brian for the tip!

 

[Maxwell House]

Didn't see this posted yet.

Format War Rumor: $198 Toshiba HD DVD Player Coming to Wal-Mart

There's nothing concrete about this, but a Wal-Mart employee claims that he saw a Toshiba UPC in their system labeled "Toshiba HDA2-W" priced at $198. This could be the mythical sub-$200 HD DVD player Wal-Mart's been waiting for, having previously declined selling the Venturer $199 HD DVD player due to Venturer being a tier two player.

Having Toshiba back a cheap player would be better for Wal-Mart, seeing as Venturer outsources their tech support and may not be equipped to handle the support needs for a relatively new (and possibly frequently-updated) format like HD DVD.

Even though Toshiba's been hitting near the $200 point with big bargains and HD DVD giveaways, a player you can actually pick up for that much will be a big boost this holiday season. And if Toshiba can get players into people's houses—think the PlayStation 3 approach to Trojan horsing Blu-ray in—movies are sure to follow. [High Def Forum via PC World]

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/format-war/rumor-198-toshiba-hd-dvd-player-coming-to-wal+mart-312462.php

 

[Flo_Evans]

Watched vacancy last night. Decent horror flick, PQ was good but the whole movie is very dark and shot 1/2 step underexposed. It looks very natural looking but doesn't have that eye-poping OMFGWTF super HD look of say crank or casino royale.

Wouldn't use it as a showpiece, but not a bad movie to curl up with a hot chick on the couch with

 

[jjasper]

I have been saying HD DVD players will be $199 all summer, fall. So I believe it (more so now with a $399 PS3)

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Watched vacancy last night. Decent horror flick, PQ was good but the whole movie is very dark and shot 1/2 step underexposed. It looks very natural looking but doesn't have that eye-poping OMFGWTF super HD look of say crank or casino royale.

Wouldn't use it as a showpiece, but not a bad movie to curl up with a hot chick on the couch with

I rented that from my mom-and-pop a coupdl of weeks ago, and I agree. The HD makes it look sharp, but it's not a movie made for it's impressive visuals.

 

[Maxwell House]

Yep, it will be odd if Wal-Mart's cheap HD-DVD players will be Toshibas, and not one of the new Chinese ones.

Of course, this doesn't mean Wal-Mart won't carry the Chinese players either. They could carry the Toshibas for $200 and a Chinese one for $150.

We will see soon enough.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I thought one reason for passing on the Chinese player was that it didn't end up being any cheaper than the low-end Toshiba.

Anyway, if this thing takes off, I hope it takes off huge. I would love to be wrong about my format choice and see this make a decisive victory, but if it just prolongs the format war, I hate it. Go all the way or fizzle, baby-- no inbetweens, please.

 

[Maxwell House]

Sources of the rumor:

I am an associate for WalMart and yesterday I did a RollBack for the Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD player. It went from $298.00 to $198.00. The players should be available in store within the week as the layouts for electronics are changing as of 10/15. Just thought I give you folks a heads up.

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=21334

And

I can confirm this. Went back to work today and a new Toshiba UPC popped up in my system:

Toshiba HDA2-W $198.00

Wal Mart item number: 564786/570634

Now I work in a store in the woods of east Texas that usually doesnt receive higher end merchandise. I find the two different item numbers kind of odd. The numbers are cross referenced so the onhands/orders/units sold will always be the same. But usually two numbers are cross referenced if they the same basic item with a different model number or some sort of "free" offer with one of them.

Another observation: I am receiving 3 tonight with 14 more on order for my store. Some promo is obviously coming down the pipe since this item is not on my new modular update for DVD players due this week.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=922556&page=2

There are two or three other posters confirming similar things.

 

[OokieSpookie]

I have been saying HD DVD players will be $199 all summer, fall. So I believe it (more so now with a $399 PS3)

You mean $399 PS3 + pack in Spider Man 3 on Blu Ray + 5 free Movie deal

 

[Maxwell House]

You mean $399 PS3 + pack in Spider Man 3 on Blu Ray + 5 free Movie deal

Well, the $198.00 Toshiba HD-DVD players would come with 5 free HD-DVD movies as well.

If this is true, doesn't it mean MS has to drop the price of the HD-DVD addon? How can they sell the HD-DVD addon for $179.99 when a full blown stand alone Toshiba player is selling for $198.00?

 

[OokieSpookie]

Well, the $198.00 Toshiba HD-DVD players would come with 5 free HD-DVD movies as well.

If this is true, doesn't it mean MS has to drop the price of the HD-DVD addon? How can they sell the HD-DVD addon for $179.99 when a full blown stand alone Toshiba player is selling for $198.00?

Just to make sure that I am looking right, this is the model of HD-Dvd player that is only 720p/1080i , has limited audio support, and does not play CDr and DVDr media right?

 

[Maxwell House]

Just to make sure that I am looking right, this is the model of HD-Dvd player that is only 720p/1080i , has limited audio support, and does not play CDr and DVDr media right?

It is 1080i, but it plays CDr and DVDr media perfectly.

And limited audio support? No, it has plenty of audio support (Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD , DTS and DTSHD).

It's a great player. The only downside is 1080i vs 1080p, but Joe Six Pack doesn't care or even know the difference.

 

[Cosmic Bus]

How can they sell the HD-DVD addon for $179.99 when a full blown stand alone Toshiba player is selling for $198.00?

And in turn, there's no excuse for Sony to continue selling their cheapest stand-alone player for $499 MSRP/$399 retail; at least $100 needs to be knocked off that, if not more, now that the PS3 is going to be $399. I'll gladly go neutral once I can pick up a Blu-Ray player for the same as I paid for my HD: less than $250.

 

[The Main Event]

Well, the $198.00 Toshiba HD-DVD players would come with 5 free HD-DVD movies as well.

If this is true, doesn't it mean MS has to drop the price of the HD-DVD addon? How can they sell the HD-DVD addon for $179.99 when a full blown stand alone Toshiba player is selling for $198.00?

I mentioned it sometime earlier this summer, but MS should really lower the price at least at 129.99 (USD AND CAD). $99 would be even better. Update the pack-in movie with something like a Bourne title. I don't see how this can't be done. They need to be a lot more aggressive with the marketing of the 360 add-on with the holiday season just around the corner.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

I mentioned it sometime earlier this summer, but MS should really lower the price at least at 129.99 (USD AND CAD). $99 would be even better. Update the pack-in movie with something like a Bourne title. I don't see how this can't be done. They need to be a lot more aggressive with the marketing of the 360 add-on with the holiday season just around the corner.

I agree with this man. I would totally take advantage of this.

 

[thaivo]

Just to make sure that I am looking right, this is the model of HD-Dvd player that is only 720p/1080i , has limited audio support, and does not play CDr and DVDr media right?

I'm not sure where you are looking, and you can try to spin this as negatively as you'd like, but the A2 is the most popular HDM stand-alone player right now. I don't know about CDr's but DVDr's work fine with my HD-D2, and has full audio support

http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/toshiba-hd-d2/4505-6463_7-32139153.html?tag=sub

It has onboard decoding for standard Dolby Digital and DTS soundtracks, and it also has onboard decoding for the two new high-resolution Dolby formats: Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD. In other words, it can send those new soundtracks to a compatible AV receiver or processor via HDMI as a PCM stream, which most HDMI-equipped receivers can handle. There is no onboard decoding for DTS-HD Master or DTS-HD High Resolution, but the HD-D2 can extract the "core" soundtrack from those formats, which is essentially just a standard DTS soundtrack. Like all current high-def disc players, whether HD DVD or Blu-ray, the HD-D2 is unable to send any of the high-resolution soundtracks to brand-new TrueHD- and DTS-HD-compatible receivers in bit stream format.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

And in turn, there's no excuse for Sony to continue selling their cheapest stand-alone player for $499 MSRP/$399 retail; at least $100 needs to be knocked off that, if not more, now that the PS3 is going to be $399. I'll gladly go neutral once I can pick up a Blu-Ray player for the same as I paid for my HD: less than $250.

For those ready to buy, these are very, very good days.

 

[OokieSpookie]

It is 1080i, but it plays CDr and DVDr media perfectly.

And limited audio support? No, it has plenty of audio support (Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD , DTS and DTSHD).

It's a great player. The only downside is 1080i vs 1080p, but Joe Six Pack doesn't care or even know the difference.

SO it is different than the one on here? http://www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com/index.php?page=toshiba

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

...but the A2 is the most popular HDM player right now.

...after the PS3.

 

[OokieSpookie]

I'm not sure where you are looking, and you can try to spin this as negatively as you'd like, but the A2 is the most popular HDM stand-alone player right now. I don't know about CDr's but DVDr's work fine with my HD-D2, and has full audio support

http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/toshiba-hd-d2/4505-6463_7-32139153.html?tag=sub

Not sure where I am spinning anything.
I swear "SPIN" and "FUD" get thrown around so easily these days.
I asked questions due to what I saw on the Toshiba site, no more and no less.

 

[thaivo]

...after the PS3.

True.

 

[thaivo]

Not sure where I am spinning anything.
I swear "SPIN" and "FUD" get thrown around so easily these days.
I asked questions due to what I saw on the Toshiba site, no more and no less.

:lol So you saying you were not trying to put the player in a negative light?

 

[Maxwell House]

SO it is different than the one on here? http://www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com/index.php?page=toshiba

What do you mean? Are you trying to say it doesn't play CD-R and DVD-R media?? It does, and perfectly. How do I know? I own one. :lol

That blurb says HD DVD, CD and DVD playback. It doesn't spell out that it plays recordable media, but it does. If you read the actual specs, it says it supports all of that.

Check out the Amazon page for better specs:

[URL="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/103-5828869-8990236?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=toshiba+HD-A2&Go.x=13&Go.y=15"]http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/103-5828869-8990236?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=toshiba+HD-A2&Go.x=13&Go.y=15[/URL]

HD DVD playback (including Combo. Format Discs), DVD and DVD-R/-RW: High Definition video requires a tremendous amount of space on a disc, so a new Blue laser (versus a Red Laser for DVD) is utilized for HD DVD. The blue laser, with it’s shorter wave length, allows for information to be stored more densely on the disc, improving storage capacity by over 3 times that of a red laser technology. Additionally, more accurate and efficient video compression like MPEG-4 AVC and VC-1 (based on Microsoft’s Window Media) compress information to achieve file sizes that are less than half of the current standard DVD’s MPEG2.

DVD upconversion via HDMI™ Video Upconversion - 720p/1080i: HDMI™ can support uncompressed digital video up to HDTV resolution. The HD-A2 player makes use of this conduit by up-converting the standard DVD picture resolution of 720p or 1080i. This makes a DVD player with an HDMI™ connection the perfect match for today's digital televisions. And because this conversion is performed in the player, the signal remains free frome excessive digital to analog artifacts.

Video Output: 1080i/720p/480p/480i

Built-in Dolby® Digital, Dolby® TrueHD, Dolby® Digital Plus, DTS®, and DTS® HD (core only): The HD-A2 has built-in processors to handle the multi-channel decoders for Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD , DTS and DTSHD. It employs the use of four DSPs to decode the multi-channel streams of the wide array of audio formats. These 32-bit floating-point DSPs are world renown for their high accuracy and are employed in many high quality audio solutions in the home theater market.

Advanced high-performance 32-bit SHARC® Digital Signal Processing: Realize the benefits of new generation high-definition audio to complement high-definition video with 32-bit floating point SHARC DSP. Designed to perform audio conversion while executing extensive on-board multi-channel signal management, SHARC DSP in HD DVD delivers the stunning audio to complete your total high-definition experience.

CD Audio Playback (CD, CD-R/-RW)

BTW, the DVD upconversion is fantastic with this unit. It is a very quality piece of electronics for $198.00. I think it is going to sell very well at Wal-Mart this fall.

 

[OokieSpookie]

:lol So you saying you were not trying to put the player in a negative light?

Not in this case, I can't understand where people would make something limited to be a great deal.
BUT that being said I figured the -W after the model may be a newer revision with more features so just trying to make sure that I know what I am talking about.
The mocking of it comes later after I am home from work and have a few pints in me.

 

[Maxwell House]

Not in this case, I can't understand where people would make something limited to be a great deal.
BUT that being said I figured the -W after the model may be a newer revision with more features so just trying to make sure that I know what I am talking about.
The mocking of it comes later after I am home from work and have a few pints in me.

The W is because it is a specific version made for Wal-Mart. All electronics designed for Wal-Mart have a W at the end.

I am sure it will be the same model that is out in stores right now.

And you were indeed trying to put in in a negative light (unsuccesfully :lol ). It is a great player, with superb video quality.

 

[thaivo]

Not in this case, I can't understand where people would make something limited to be a great deal.

you call the player limited, and some how that isn't trying to put the player in a negative light. :lol Do you read the things you type?

 

[StoOgE]

you call the player limited, and some how that isn't trying to put the player in a negative light. :lol Do you read the things you type?

"Only the PS3 can give Tetris the physics it needs."

No, probably not. :lol

 

[gkryhewy]

I received an "Xbox Flash" email (spam) this afternoon titled "The time is now for HD DVD" - it hyped the 360 player at 179, the HD-A3 at 299, and the 5 free movies. Given the timing, I doubt a price drop of the 360 player is imminent.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

or you could just look at software sales -- they tell you very simply that the bd userbase buys more movies than the hd-dvd userbase. if the difference between standalones and ps3s ever becomes a decisive factor, the software numbers will reflect that. standalone hardware sales are a piece of trivia.

But the attach rates.

I would love to see S. Ed's response to this, but I doubt we'll see him again for the next few pages. :lol

 

[OokieSpookie]

you call the player limited, and some how that isn't trying to put the player in a negative light. :lol Do you read the things you type?

I took the information exactly from Toshiba's website and linked to what I was looking at.
According to the specs on that site, it was limited.
If it is not true, so be it.
I will say that 720p/1080I IS limited and I am sure there are other things left out to cut the price.
The "it's ok because the average person will not notice" does not make it not true.

 

[VanMardigan]

I will say that 720p/1080I IS limited and I am sure there are other things left out to cut the price.

Backwards compatibility was left out to cut the price. Oh wait...........


From the HD DVD Blog. This is for HD DVD-only folks who don't mind importing, here's an updated list of titles that are Blu Ray only here in the US :

French HD DVD Releases

* Ghost Rider, La Cité interdite/Curse of the Golden Flower and Le Secret de Terabithia/Bridge to Terabithia should be available on HD DVD starting this October 24, at €29,99 RRP a copy.

* Les Gendarmes - L'intégrale and Les Bronzés - L'intégrale will also be available to own on HD DVD starting November, at €49,99 RRP a copy. English audio/subtitle options are not provided.

* Astérix et les Vikings HD DVD will be released on December 5 and will be priced at €29,99 RRP a copy. English audio/subtitle options are not provided.

German HD DVD Releases

* Hero - October 11
* Tideland - November 7
* Neues vom Wixxer - November 19
* Crank - December 3
* Fantastic Four - Rise of the Silver Surfer - December 14

 

[thaivo]

I took the information exactly from Toshiba's website and linked to what I was looking at.
According to the specs on that site, it was limited.
If it is not true, so be it.
I will say that 720p/1080I IS limited and I am sure there are other things left out to cut the price.
The "it's ok because the average person will not notice" does not make it not true.

You'll not see any argument from me that the player tops out at 1080i. My TV tops out at 1080i too. What irked me, and others, was your characterization of the A2 as a player so stripped down that it didn't play DVDr, CDr, and had no HD sound capabilities.

Since you are obviously much more perceptive than the "average person", and like your hardware without "limitations," I'm very interested in how you view BD profile 1.0 players.

 

[Days like these...]

With that Venturer price comingin higher than expected, I am omre certain in my old prediction that come Black Friday, there will only a $100 difference between the lowest BluRay player and the lowest HD-DVD player (apples to apples comparison, best deal you can find or MSRP, not some mixed comparison).

Walmart's Toshiba player will be $199 Do you still think there will only be a $100 difference

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

You'll not see any argument from me that the player tops out at 1080i. My TV tops out at 1080i too. What irked me, and others, was your characterization of the A2 as a player so stripped down that it didn't play DVDr, CDr, and had no HD sound capabilities.

Since you are obviously much more perceptive than the "average person", and like your hardware without "limitations," I'm very interested in how you view BD profile 1.0 players.

Jesus Christ...do you read his posts beyond what you want to read?

I took the information exactly from Toshiba's website and linked to what I was looking at. According to the specs on that site, it was limited.
If it is not true, so be it.I will say that 720p/1080I IS limited and I am sure there are other things left out to cut the price.
The "it's ok because the average person will not notice" does not make it not true.

he said this at least twice and yet you kept riding his jock.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Backwards compatibility was left out to cut the price. Oh wait...........

And I am denying what and how does that apply to movies?
Last I checked this is an HD/Blu ray discussion but if you would like to talk games I am sure you are talented enough to find the proper link.
I have to say you are becoming a bit sad lately all and all.

 

[Kolgar]

I'll add, the A2 really puts out a nice image. Maybe my 37-year-old eyes aren't what they used to be (ah, hell, I've got 20/15 vision with contacts), but I couldn't tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p on my Sammy DLP if my life depended on it.

A2, PS3, 360 add on--all look phenomenal, and virtually indistinguishable from one another--given good source material.

 

[thaivo]

Jesus Christ...do you read his posts beyond what you want to read?
he said this at least twice and yet you kept riding his jock.

:lol I think you may need to read his posts again, and get back to us on how his posts weren't purposefully putting the A2 in a negative light.:lol

 

[MechDX]

Sources of the rumor:


http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=21334

And


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=922556&page=2

There are two or three other posters confirming similar things.

Um.....I posted this info a few pages back the same day I made that post at AVS.:lol

 

[Maxwell House]

Walmart's Toshiba player will be $199 Do you still think there will only be a $100 difference

Not to mention, that is their initial price. I expect a $150 Toshiba HD-DVD player at Wal-Mart during Black Friday.

 

[Maxwell House]

Jesus Christ...do you read his posts beyond what you want to read?
he said this at least twice and yet you kept riding his jock.

The Toshiba website said nothing about it having limited sound, nor did it say it didn't play CD-R or DVD-R media. It said it played HD-DVD, DVD and CD. Just because they didn't mention all the version of DVD and CD it played, doesn't mean it doesn't play the -R versions.

Stating that a player plays DVD and CD with no mention of the recordable cousins is pretty common in spec sheets. It doesn't mean it doesn't play them. Every new DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player since like 2003 plays recordable media.

The only thing the Toshiba website confirms of his 3 allegations is that it is 1080i, and that is no secret.

 

[Maxwell House]

Um.....I posted this info a few pages back the same day I made that post at AVS.:lol

Woops, my mistake. I looked for a post on it but didn't see it.

 

[Cosmic Bus]

German HD DVD Releases

* Hero - October 11

I believe this is only the extended (and really bad) cut of the movie, otherwise I'd be all over it.

 

[lupin23rd]

I believe this is only the extended (and really bad) cut of the movie, otherwise I'd be all over it.

Hero - the Jet Li movie? I wasn't aware that the extended cut came out anwhere but China (or anywhere, period). How was it bad?

 

[OokieSpookie]

The Toshiba website said nothing about it having limited sound, nor did it say it didn't play CD-R or DVD-R media. It said it played HD-DVD, DVD and CD. Just because they didn't mention all the version of DVD and CD it played, doesn't mean it doesn't play the -R versions.

Stating that a player plays DVD and CD with no mention of the recordable cousins is pretty common in spec sheets. It doesn't mean it doesn't play them. Every new DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player since like 2003 plays recordable media.

The only thing the Toshiba website confirms of his 3 allegations is that it is 1080i, and that is no secret.

All of the other models have more sound options listed, that one doesn't.
All of the other models say "dvdr, cdr" and various other things, that one doesn't"
I guess all of the other models just have them listed to take up blank space or something?
For fuck sake

 

[Cosmic Bus]

Hero - the Jet Li movie? I wasn't aware that the extended cut came out anwhere but China (or anywhere, period). How was it bad?

The director's cut hasn't been made available outside of China, but previous listings for that HD-DVD have tagged it as an extended version, so the assumption is made. It simply added a number of protracted, meaningless scenes that only serve to awkwardly, repeatedly drag the story to a halt and ruin the flow of things. I've come to love the original cut, but could barely make it through a single viewing of the extended.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

Until yesterday.

about this...is the Circuit City deal really over? I was planning on going over there tomorrow and wanted to see if I really needed to any more.

never mind:

Worked for me yesterday, but today the scans came up full price. A manager walked up and I asked about the B1G1 deal that was going on yesterday. He said corporate sent an email out informing that they were having trouble getting credited back for the movies from the manufacturer so the deal is done.

Looks like its dead.

Edit: This is Circuit City by the way.