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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Maxwell House said:
I said it was a rumor. :) It is a very interesting one, though, with people in the industry in that thread hinting that they believe this rumor is true. :)

We will see soon enough I suppose.

WB Exclusive announcement to go along with cheap HD-DVD players at Wal-Mart, CC, etc. this Fall would have a massive impact on this format war.

Yes people in the industry that nobody can verify and that have no name...
This is how HD people respong to the Transformer beating?

"Hey guys, I know that all of our titles have sold higher on Bluray and I know that blu ray beat the biggest title that HD could throw at it but hey....let's go hd exclusive anyway!!"
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
OokieSpookie said:
Yes people in the industry that nobody can verify and that have no name...
This is how HD people respong to the Transformer beating?

"Hey guys, I know that all of our titles have sold higher on Bluray and I know that blu ray beat the biggest title that HD could throw at it but hey....let's go hd exclusive anyway!!"
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Can you be anymore obnoxious???

It's a rumor started based off an interview a guy had with Toshiba recently. Calm down.

You take this war way too seriously.
 

Forsete

Member
Ok, now I remember why I dont read AVS.. I thought this thread was bad, AVS is like day-care.

"If I were a betting person, which I am, I would bet something...." then I was interrupted and missed the rest of it.

He continued: What do you think you effing retard? We hold 30% of the HD market. Why would we downgrade to 5% all of a sudden?
 

mollipen

Member
As rumors go, WB is like the guy who has a wife, and keeps telling her that she's the only one for him, yet at the same time has a mistress on the side, who he keeps telling he's going to divorce his wife for.
 

drohne

hyperbolically metafictive
OokieSpookie said:
"Hey guys, I know that all of our titles have sold higher on Bluray and I know that blu ray beat the biggest title that HD could throw at it but hey....let's go hd exclusive anyway!!"

not to mention 'hey, all the money we threw at paramount seems to have had little positive effect -- let's throw even more money at warner!'
 
Maxwell House said:
Can you be anymore obnoxious???

It's a rumor started based off an interview a guy had with Toshiba recently. Calm down.

You take this war way too seriously.

It is a rumor based on a supposed off the record comment from a guy with Toshiba.
It is not even from someone at Warner.
Is it that hard to see how this is hard to take seriously even as a rumor? It is as bad as "the guy at gamestop told me this" or to be more exact "a guy at Microsoft said off the record that Final Fantasy XIII is going 360 exclusive"


Edit: oh and as response to the first question it is possible in theory.
 
shidoshi said:
As rumors go, WB is like the guy who has a wife, and keeps telling her that she's the only one for him, yet at the same time has a mistress on the side, who he keeps telling he's going to divorce his wife for.

The thing is though that it wasn't even a Wb person, it was a Toshiba person :lol
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Forsete said:
Ok, now I remember why I dont read AVS.. I thought this thread was bad, AVS is like day-care.



He continued: What do you think you effing retard? We hold 30% of the HD market. Why would we downgrade to 5% all of a sudden?


because if WB did go HDDVD exclusive they would be doing so assuming it wouldn't remain 5% for very long.

Sure, paramount are doing it for the cash. So could Warner.

Frankly I have no idea where Toshiba are getting this money from to sustain this. And why can't sony use some of their new found profitability to do similar?

If warner go HDDVD exclusive, I'll call them really really rude names, then buckle down like a good consumer sheep and buy an EP30 HDDVD player a few days later.
 

mollipen

Member
I know it'd never happen, but I'd love to see every content company have to come out and say "for the next five years, here's what we'll be supporting, and that stance won't change." As it is now, with this constant "will they or won't they," it's just too ridiculous for people to make a choice. This just can't be said enough: ALL of these companies have themselves to blame for this mess, and it should never, ever have happened.

IF Warner is actually thinking of going exclusive one way or another, then say it ASAP and don't beat around the bush about it. Give customers proper information so that they can decide if they're going to invest more time and money into one format or the other.
 
Toshiba makes cart loads of money everyday. They could easily pay off WB. That said this rumor sounds about as reliable as Universal going neutral (which was thrown around for at least 6 months)
 
Kosty AVS said:
I was told to look for some major pro HD DVD announcement mid next week.

I was figuring that was the Wal-Mart an Circuit City $198 HD A2 carriage, but a Warner announcement would certainly qualify.

I would just think it would be unlikely before the 4Q stats are in.

But if Warner is crunching some numbers, and talking to CE companies and retailers.......

Let the speculation begin...again.
 

mollipen

Member
Forsete said:
Ok, now I remember why I dont read AVS.. I thought this thread was bad, AVS is like day-care.

Yeah... no matter how bad either side of the fence may get around here, man, it's nothing compared to that place. You'd think those people's lives depended on one format or the other coming out on top.
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
Wow...AVS is so...whoa.

Someone actually argued that the 300 Blu-Ray flopped in comparison with the HD-DVD sales simply because there were millions of "potential" BD owners who didn't buy it.

Whoa.
 
chubigans said:
Wow...AVS is so...whoa.

Someone actually argued that the 300 Blu-Ray flopped in comparison with the HD-DVD sales simply because there were millions of "potential" BD owners who didn't buy it.

Whoa.

I'll bet that's one of those people who'll argue that HD-DVD sells more players because the PS3 doesn't count, too.
 

123rl

Member
chubigans said:
Wow...AVS is so...whoa.

Someone actually argued that the 300 Blu-Ray flopped in comparison with the HD-DVD sales simply because there were millions of "potential" BD owners who didn't buy it.

Whoa.

:lol You have to have a REALLY twisted sense of reality to actually believe that

I keep saying it but the fanboys on AVS are so much better than our fanboys. The muppets on AVS really understand how to act like fanboys...the fanboys on GAF are just amateurs in comparison
 

mollipen

Member
chubigans said:
Wow...AVS is so...whoa.

Someone actually argued that the 300 Blu-Ray flopped in comparison with the HD-DVD sales simply because there were millions of "potential" BD owners who didn't buy it.

Just looking at the arguments over there (on both sides) as to why one format is better than the other is just baffling.

I mean, in that thread that was linked to, one guy has a sig that is basically like "Number of exclusive HD-DVD studios with a movie catalog over 5,000: 2. Number of exclusive Blu-ray studios with a movie catalog over 5,000: 0."

Who in the hell is actually going to use that as a point in the HD-DVD / Blu-ray argument? Is anybody go to think to themselves, "Gee, I was going to get a Blu-ray player, but Sony, Fox no Disney have over 5,000 movies in their library, so man would that be a mistake."
 

DC R1D3R

Banned
HD DVD Buy Day *Nov 27th*

If you're a HD DVD supporter, then the guys over @ hidefdigest are organising an HD DVD buy day for 27th Nov. It seems an effective ploy for the Blu-ray camp in spiking sales, so let's see what will happen next month.

The 27th is a week after "Star Trek - Season One" and 'Tremors" comes out and the week that "Anchorman", "Hot Rod", "Mr. Bean's Holiday", "Old School", and 'The Omega Man'. But there are also many more blockbusters that come out before this, such as the 'Ocean's' movies, "Now I Pronounce You Chuck and Larry", "Shrek the Third", and "The Aviator". And there are all of the older releases, which are still awesome buys.

But if we can do the 27th, it would be awesome. The BD guys have done a lot of 'Buy Days' now, why don't we do more to support the cause and end this blasted war?
hidefdigest

anyone gonna bite?
obviously, over defensive SDF or Blu-ray supporters need not reply
 

djkimothy

Member
DC R1D3R said:
HD DVD Buy Day *Nov 27th*

If you're a HD DVD supporter, then the guys over @ hidefdigest are organising an HD DVD buy day for 27th Nov. It seems an effective ploy for the Blu-ray camp in spiking sales, so let's see what will happen next month.


hidefdigest

anyone gonna bite?


It didn't work before, what makes them think it'll work this time. Morons.
 

Dot50Cal

Banned
The entire concept of buy days are retarded. Why do people still do this? Do you like having movies you wouldn't normally buy in your collection?
 

Chemo

Member
DC R1D3R said:
HD DVD Buy Day *Nov 27th*

If you're a HD DVD supporter, then the guys over @ hidefdigest are organising an HD DVD buy day for 27th Nov. It seems an effective ploy for the Blu-ray camp in spiking sales, so let's see what will happen next month.


hidefdigest

anyone gonna bite?
Anyone who participates in this shit is a sad, sad person who cares more about sales figures and internet arguments than high def movies. I hope that most people have better things to do than to try to contribute to causing inaccurate sales data... yeah, a lot of HD DVD people may be buying HD DVD titles on the 27th, but odds are most of them are going to blow their wad there, meaning they probably won't buy for another week or two (or longer). One burst doesn't mean shit... hell, even when it's big (Transformers), it hasn't done the trick. Why would this do anything other than make the participants look pathetic?
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
DC R1D3R said:
HD DVD Buy Day *Nov 27th*

If you're a HD DVD supporter, then the guys over @ hidefdigest are organising an HD DVD buy day for 27th Nov. It seems an effective ploy for the Blu-ray camp in spiking sales, so let's see what will happen next month.


hidefdigest

anyone gonna bite?
obviously, over defensive SDF or Blu-ray supporters need not reply

I've been on NeoGAF for more years than I'd like to admit, and between both sides of the forum, in all its iterations and moves, I think this may actually qualify as the saddest post I've ever seen.

It's a movie format, not life.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
xsarien said:
I've been on NeoGAF for more years than I'd like to admit, and between both sides of the forum, in all its iterations and moves, I think this may actually qualify as the saddest post I've ever seen.

It's a movie format, not life.

I've seen sadder posts. Besides, this "buy day" thing has been done before. The first one I remember was on the HD DVD first anniversary. Blu Ray supporters also did a buy day on that format's anniversary. But, by all means, take the extreme route and pretend that stupid stuff is somehow limited in scope. Just shows you either don't visit the hdd or avs forums, or that you do and now want to pretend like this is shocking to you.

As far as Warner is concerned, my head is spinning. They really hold a ton of sway, though, so its no surprise that these rumors persist, going both ways. They are the biggest prize left for Sony and Toshiba, both of which have already shown great tolerance for sacrifice for their format.

Both Sony and Toshiba already submitted offers to Warner. Warner turned both down, but perhaps a new round of offers are being put on the table, raising the stakes?
 
chubigans said:
Wow...AVS is so...whoa.

Someone actually argued that the 300 Blu-Ray flopped in comparison with the HD-DVD sales simply because there were millions of "potential" BD owners who didn't buy it.

Whoa.

Look for posts like these about GTA4 360.
 
VanMardigan said:
I've seen sadder posts. Besides, this "buy day" thing has been done before. The first one I remember was on the HD DVD first anniversary. Blu Ray supporters also did a buy day on that format's anniversary. But, by all means, take the extreme route and pretend that stupid stuff is somehow limited in scope. Just shows you either don't visit the hdd or avs forums, or that you do and now want to pretend like this is shocking to you.

As far as Warner is concerned, my head is spinning. They really hold a ton of sway, though, so its no surprise that these rumors persist, going both ways. They are the biggest prize left for Sony and Toshiba, both of which have already shown great tolerance for sacrifice for their format.

Both Sony and Toshiba already submitted offers to Warner. Warner turned both down, but perhaps a new round of offers are being put on the table, raising the stakes?

I don't know, I think this is honestly more a cry of desperation than anything else. ( not your post I mean the hd buying thing).
At least the others were on the anniversaries or something, where as this is more of a desperate cry for help.
I mean more power to them and all but come on...
I will say it must have been hard for them to have to choose the one week that BR does not have any big guns. ( not that it will help of course but still...)
As far as the Warner thing, I think they know the power that they hold and I honestly do not see anything that Toshiba could offer to make them pick a side.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
As far as the Warner thing, I think they know the power that they hold and I honestly do not see anything that Toshiba could offer to make them pick a side.

You mean OTHER than truckloads of cold hard cash? Don't be naive, here, Warner was HD DVD exclusive before the format launched. Sony offered them incentives and a spot on the BDA board in exchange for their neutrality. One year later, they pretty much own the HD market in terms of studios marketshare, yet the market is still tiny and therefore not profitable.

A large cash infusion would EASILY offset whatever paltry amount they'd make on BR or HD DVD sales, if any. Amir pretty much confirmed that no studios are making a profit in this market yet, so it's all about investment, and if Toshiba can offer a large incentive (and make it a marketing deal like with Paramount) and then MS provides no cost VC1 encoding as well for a set period of time........it'll be tough to resist. The same can be said of a similarly large offer from Sony/BDA in terms of promotional assistance, yield subsidization, and no cost encoding like they were doing for Paramount.

Warner already refused offers, but it may be swayed by larger offers. Considering the Paramount deal, are we looking at a 350-500 million offer to WB for format exclusivity? Perhaps 18-24 months like Paramount, at which point the format war will be more clearly defined. That, plus free encoding, would make HD publishing profitable for them the same way it was made profitable for Paramount.
 
DC R1D3R said:
HD DVD Buy Day *Nov 27th*

If you're a HD DVD supporter, then the guys over @ hidefdigest are organising an HD DVD buy day for 27th Nov. It seems an effective ploy for the Blu-ray camp in spiking sales, so let's see what will happen next month.


hidefdigest

anyone gonna bite?
obviously, over defensive SDF or Blu-ray supporters need not reply


this is the most pathetic thing i have read in the gaming or OT forums since ...well forever.
 
VanMardigan said:
You mean OTHER than truckloads of cold hard cash? Don't be naive, here, Warner was HD DVD exclusive before the format launched. Sony offered them incentives and a spot on the BDA board in exchange for their neutrality. One year later, they pretty much own the HD market in terms of studios marketshare, yet the market is still tiny and therefore not profitable.

A large cash infusion would EASILY offset whatever paltry amount they'd make on BR or HD DVD sales, if any. Amir pretty much confirmed that no studios are making a profit in this market yet, so it's all about investment, and if Toshiba can offer a large incentive (and make it a marketing deal like with Paramount) and then MS provides no cost VC1 encoding as well for a set period of time........it'll be tough to resist. The same can be said of a similarly large offer from Sony/BDA in terms of promotional assistance, yield subsidization, and no cost encoding like they were doing for Paramount.

Warner already refused offers, but it may be swayed by larger offers. Considering the Paramount deal, are we looking at a 350-500 million offer to WB for format exclusivity? Perhaps 18-24 months like Paramount, at which point the format war will be more clearly defined. That, plus free encoding, would make HD publishing profitable for them the same way it was made profitable for Paramount.

I will be honest, if it happened at all 18-24 months really wouldn't matter it would pretty much be over and done especially if the sub studios are included.
I just do not see Toshiba coming up with an offer that Blu would not counter and raise.
All and all it will be a long irritating week dealing with the whole rumor whores, and then of course will be certain people in this thread that will come in with raging hard ons wanting to get their shots in before it is refuted and they disappear again. (Usually with alot of "big grin" smilies piled in)
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Kabuki Waq said:
this is the most pathetic thing i have read in the gaming or OT forums since ...well forever.

Ah, you're new here too? WOW, so many here are shocked at this concept, let's see if they recognize pathetic when it comes from their side of the fence as well:

Blu Ray Buy day for Transformers week


And if you read the thread, you'll see that was just the latest in a series of "Blu Ray Buy Days". This one was especially effective because Sony tossed in free Disney movies to help out. Now you can feign indignation at members of your own camp.


I just do not see Toshiba coming up with an offer that Blu would not counter and raise.

So what happened with Paramount? Misfire on their offer?
 
VanMardigan said:
Ah, you're new here too? WOW, so many here are shocked at this concept, let's see if they recognize pathetic when it comes from their side of the fence as well:

Blu Ray Buy day for Transformers week


And if you read the thread, you'll see that was just the latest in a series of "Blu Ray Buy Days". This one was especially effective because Sony tossed in free Disney movies to help out. Now you can feign indignation at members of your own camp.




So what happened with Paramount? Misfire on their offer?


I honestly do not think Paramount matters one fifth as much as Warner and honestly BR

Edit: You do see that the one you linked to was in response to one the HD camp was doing right?
I mean not to say it is any better but you could have linked to a better choice to make your point.most likely agreed.
 

123rl

Member
VanMardigan said:
Ah, you're new here too? WOW, so many here are shocked at this concept, let's see if they recognize pathetic when it comes from their side of the fence as well:

Blu Ray Buy day for Transformers week


And if you read the thread, you'll see that was just the latest in a series of "Blu Ray Buy Days". This one was especially effective because Sony tossed in free Disney movies to help out. Now you can feign indignation at members of your own camp.

Why would you (or any sane person) willingly read the Bluray forums?
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
123rl said:
Why would you (or any sane person) willingly read the Bluray forums?

I don't ever go there. Finding BR "buy days" was easy enough. And I go to AVS to read player impressions as well as the Insider thread. Other than that, I go here and to the HDD HD DVD forum, which is free of all format war nonsense for the most part, and is just pure discussion on HD DVD.

You do see that the one you linked to was in response to one the HD camp was doing right?
I mean not to say it is any better but you could have linked to a better choice to make your point.most likely agreed.

They've been going back and forth between the two sides since the first buy day I can remember at the HD DVD anniversary. It's pathetic on both sides. That was my point.
 
I am not really going to have to be the one to say something about pointing fingers at the "bluray forums" when the "hd forums" are one click away and just as bad right?
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
I am not really going to have to be the one to say something about pointing fingers at the "bluray forums" when the "hd forums" are one click away and just as bad right?

Is there an "official" HD DVD forum, or are you referring to hd digest, which is neutral?
 
VanMardigan said:
Is there an "official" HD DVD forum, or are you referring to hd digest, which is neutral?
I was kind of making a general statement about any forum that is set up for one side.
high def has a blu ray side and an hd side as well as avs and other.
I am a huge bluray fan and do not go to blu-ray.com :lol
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
According to the scan, it says it would be available at the larger stores and sears.com.

If true, I'll definitely pick one up online.
 
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