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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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DoubleTap

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gkrykewy said:
If anyone wants to take a shot, you can still order the HD-A2 from bestbuy.com for $99 through the google cache link. Shows up as backordered, but estimated delivery in the next 2 weeks:

http://www.fatwallet.com/redirect/b...767&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Shows as $299, but add to your cart for $99. Sorry for the FW link - that's where I found it. I don't think anyone is getting a referral bonus. Worst that happens is you'll get an apology coupon from Best Buy.


Thanks for the link. But I just went thru the regular site and ordered one. It did ring up $99.00 when you add it to the cart but it's out of stock and won't ship until next week. Got confirmation by e-mail too. I can wait as I already have my add-on. The catch now is to see if BB will actually ship it. We shall see.
 
OokieSpookie said:
You do realize that what you posted is pretty much an overglorified blog full of one person's personal opinions right?

What's the difference between that guy from CNBC and Bill Hunt from The Digital Bits?

Oh, there's one you agree with, and the other you don't.
 
The Main Event said:
What's the difference between that guy from CNBC and Bill Hunt from The Digital Bits?

Oh, there's one you agree with, and the other you don't.

Dude, seriously check that shit at the door ok?
Never once have I said one thing about Hunt or said anything to lead someone to think I support or agree with him.
Nvm
 
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/warner-bros-has-no-plans-to-drop-hd-neutrality/4876

Speculation started when Warner Bros.' VP of HD Media, Dan Silverberg, hinted that the studio was evaluating its stand on being HD neutral in the format war. It led many to believe that the studio would choose sides.

However, WB spokesman Jim Noogan talked with Video Business Online yesterday and confirmed that they would stay neutral.

He said that the company always evaluated its business models and also did this with HD support, and that he believed the fourth quarter would be important for both sides. The result will be another piece of information on where things are going, but for now the studio will support both HD DVD and Blu-ray.
 

Zoe

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You know, I keep seeing these Walmart commercials, but they all only mention the laptop at the end. Are there any that actually show the A2 price?
 
It looks like Sony is going to make Blu a big part of the holiday PS3 push.

Sony is gearing up for a Blu Christmas, saying its emphasis on the PS3's Blu-ray playback will be "much more aggressive" in its new holiday marketing campaign.

In a post on the official PlayStation blog, Sony Marketing SVP Peter Dille said the new campaign is scheduled to break this weekend in conjunction with the US introduction of the new 40GB PS3, and is slated to be the company's largest-ever marketing effort for a hardware platform.


The exec described the new campaign as having a "high-energy, entertainment driven focus," with the console's Blu-ray playback a key component.

In a separate interview with GameDaily, Victor Matsuda, VP of Sony's Blu-ray Disc Group explained that the campaign would "focus on the convergence of the PS3 as a movie and game device" and that it was "a big part of the corporate strategy for promoting Blu-ray Disc this fourth quarter."

Matsuda went on to say that the company was considering bundling the PS3's Blu-ray remote (which is currently being sold separately) to help further emphasize the movie playing aspecs of the hardware.

Although the PS3 is by far the best-selling playback device on either side of the high-def format war (and has propelled Blu-ray to a nearly 2:1 disc sales lead over HD DVD year-to-date), opponents have argued that the console's achille heel is its "attach rate" (the number of Blu-ray discs owned per unit).

Matsuda said Sony itself was paying particular attention to those numbers, and the company planned to release "very positive" information on what percentage of people who buy a PS3 use it for Blu-ray Disc playback and with what frequency in the next few weeks.

To preview the first two spots in the PS3 holiday campaign, visit the PlayStation Blog.
 

jjasper

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Chumly said:
So is walmart selling HD-DVD players for 100 dollars starting tomorrow morning?

Only tomorrow (only morning too since they will most likely sell out pretty quick)

Also anyone on the fence it is worth $99 without a doubt. And you better believe me since everyone knows I am not some biased HD DVD fanboy. Just good luck updating the damn firmware.
 

Chumly

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jjasper said:
Only tomorrow (only morning too since they will most likely sell out pretty quick)

Also anyone on the fence it is worth $99 without a doubt. And you better believe me since everyone knows I am not some biased HD DVD fanboy. Just good luck updating the damn firmware.
100 bucks has me really interested. I would have never have thought to get either but for a hundred i might bite.

How many are the warmarts going to have?
 
Chumly said:
100 bucks has me really interested. I would have never have thought to get either but for a hundred i might bite.

How many are the warmarts going to have?
same here! Any proof of this yet? i tried to gt one at BB earlier.
 

jjasper

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The Main Event said:
You could also try to price match it at a different store (since both Best Buy and Wal-Mart are having it at $99)...

Yeah but it would be hard without a print ad since it will be over 100 dollars lost by the store.

Chumly said:
100 bucks has me really interested. I would have never have thought to get either but for a hundred i might bite.

How many are the warmarts going to have?

They are all suppose to as far as I know.
 

Chemo

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General question to HD DVD supporters, the same general question that I posed a few months back before you all got a short stay of execution thanks to the Paramount fiasco:

If the $99/$199 low-price HD DVD players fail to change the direction of things, and we have an entire Q4 2007 full of ravenous blue Pac-Mans, are any of you going to finally admit that it's a lost cause?
 
Some guy on the HDD Forum posted this (at a local Wal-Mart):

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Chumly

Member
jjasper said:
Yeah but it would be hard without a print ad since it will be over 100 dollars lost by the store.



They are all suppose to as far as I know.
Is each walmart supposed to have like 10,20,30 etc? Will there be a decent amount or is it going to be for the first couple that get there.
 
I called my Wal-Mart and they said they have PLENTY of players. I think I will be able to get mine tomorrow, hopefully.

It seems that Toshiba might have sent a massive amount of HD-DVD players to Wal-Mart for tomorrow.
 

KarishBHR

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The Main Event said:
Some guy on the HDD Forum posted this (at a local Wal-Mart):

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wow. I dont know man, this could be big for HD-DVD and I dont give two shits about this format war other than I want it to be done already, and when it's done id like to be able to afford it
 

beerbelly

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Well I have decided to pick up the Toshiba HDDVD player for my father for Christmas. I'm not into this format war but this deal is too irresistible.
 

jjasper

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the * says "minimum of 10 HD DVD players per store" also says it isn't going to be available at all stores so you might want to call.
 

maharg

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XMonkey said:
Laptop sales lol.

HD-DVD as a viable recording medium for PCs is basically dead in the water, and I don't know why you would want to watch HD-DVD movies on a laptop with no surround sound and a tiny screen. But hey, more units!

Oh ffs. Have you ever actually watched SD content on a laptop monitor? Their native resolution is very often *higher* than even the highest end TVs. Not to mention that if you're watching it on a laptop screen, you're watching it close, and imperfections will be glaring.

Not saying I think a lot of people will buy HD-DVDs (or BR -- remember Apple being all gung ho about bluray? I remember some OMG APPLE AND DELL ARE ON BOARD zaniness in this thread) for their laptops, but to dismiss the very concept as ridiculous is just plain silly.
 
Chemo said:
General question to HD DVD supporters, the same general question that I posed a few months back before you all got a short stay of execution thanks to the Paramount fiasco:

If the $99/$199 low-price HD DVD players fail to change the direction of things, and we have an entire Q4 2007 full of ravenous blue Pac-Mans, are any of you going to finally admit that it's a lost cause?
and what if it does, what are you blu-ray supporters going to say?
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Ignatz Mouse said:
Days... I'm talking the long view. One PR blip notwithstanding, Blu as been encroaching (and occasionally catching) HD-DVD all year. The $500 player made a big leap to closing it, and the upcoming $400 model will, too.

This is not a proper interpretation of the data, and I've even posted it here. Furthermore, BR is once again losing ground on the standalone battle. After tomorrow, there will be no more battle in that regard. HD DVD will walk out of this year with the standalone crown, so the only question is whether it will have an effect on software sales. Or, at least enough of an uptake to convince Warner to come back to its HD DVD only roots.

Also, I'm really proud that nobody took the Bill Hunt bait. I know he's already lost most of his credibility, but now whatever little was left of it was shredded. I swear he's a neogaf poster, I just haven't figured out which.

And is that cnbc article suggesting that Wal Mart may have an HD DVD exclusivity announcement on the way? Just look at the excitement in this thread from folks who've never posted here, and the level of vitriol from some BR folks, and you just KNOW this is big.
 
If Wal-Mart goes HD-DVD exclusive, that is HUGE news, not to mention, it would be a signal that maybe Wal-Mart knows a bit more about the workings behind the scene on the HD-DVD front...enough to have the confidence to make a move like that.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
At the hidef digest forums, someone was able to print out the Best Buy ad and get HD A2 price matched at Circuit City for $99.

Worth a try if that's all you got near you of if it's out of stock at your Best Buy.
 
So if we have a HDDVD player for $100 bucks, how soon will there be a dual format player for $300 or less? I don't want 2 separate devices and I don't want to have to trade-off either.
 
VanMardigan said:
Just look at the excitement in this thread from folks who've never posted here, and the level of vitriol from some BR folks, and you just KNOW this is big.

You seriously did not post this with a straight face.
Lets be real here ok?
Every few months some new announcement comes by that will be the savior of hd-dvd, and at that time certain hd-dvd supporters come running in and act like total arrogant asshats and then vanish again when nothing comes of it.
You act like BD supporters are in here just being horrible and hd-dvd supporters are total innocents.
There are always BD people who get fed up and react to it, and some take it too far but come on...

Just look back to a week or so ago when the rumor first went out that WB was going HD exclusive on Halloween. You had people that had not posted in weeks or month show up out of nowhere stirring shit up and then when it shifted to possible good new for BD all of the sudden BD people are so horrible and taking things wrong.
Same thing with the Paramount deal, and with Transformers and countless other things that were supposed to turn the tide.

Also funny is how in the same breath you say something about Hunt and then all of the sudden give credibility to some other schmuck just because it is in YOUR favor.

The whole pointing fingers thing seriously needs to get the fuck out of this thread.
 
Battersea Power Station said:
So if we have a HDDVD player for $100 bucks, how soon will there be a dual format player for $300 or less? I don't want 2 separate devices and I don't want to have to trade-off either.

I would say non existent at this point in time to be honest
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
I said "some" BD folks, and I wasn't including you.........until now. Seriously, what's wrong buddy?? Want me to hold you?? :lol :lol

This thread is cyclical. Just wait for the BDA response and then blow your load. There really is no reasonable way to knock this move by HD DVD. You're neutral now, just enjoy the show, because things just took a wild turn into the unpredictable.
 

jjasper

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Battersea Power Station said:
So if we have a HDDVD player for $100 bucks, how soon will there be a dual format player for $300 or less? I don't want 2 separate devices and I don't want to have to trade-off either.

If this format war extends till Christmas of 08 probably then.
 
VanMardigan said:
I said "some" BD folks, and I wasn't including you.........until now. Seriously, what's wrong buddy?? Want me to hold you?? :lol :lol

This thread is cyclical. Just wait for the BDA response and then blow your load. There really is no reasonable way to knock this move by HD DVD. You're neutral now, just enjoy the show, because things just took a wild turn into the unpredictable.

I suppose I am just tired of this looking more and more like the gaming forum, which it has been lately.
Way too much finger pointing and snotty attitudes on both sides as of late and people just trying to stir shit up.
 

VanMardigan

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OokieSpookie said:
I suppose I am just tired of this looking more and more like the gaming forum, which it has been lately.
Way too much finger pointing and snotty attitudes on both sides as of late and people just trying to stir shit up.


This is true, but this has happened at every megaton:

-Paramount going HD DVD exclusive
-Transformers doesn't give HD DVD the software win for that week
-Wal Mart goes insane, and other retailers follow suit.

Honestly, look at this page alone. Tons of folks coming in asking questions about the Walmart HD DVD. Tangible excitement.

And to the poster above, yes the HD A2 qualifies for the Toshiba "Perfect Offer" rebate of five free movies.
 

Kolgar

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Maxwell House said:
If Wal-Mart goes HD-DVD exclusive, that is HUGE news, not to mention, it would be a signal that maybe Wal-Mart knows a bit more about the workings behind the scene on the HD-DVD front...enough to have the confidence to make a move like that.

Yes. Paramount doesn't make the kind of move it did out of the blue (so to speak, hehe). Nor does motherfriggin WAL-MART. There are things going on and deals being made that we do not know about, and they're being made based on information far more meaningful than each camp's "talking points du jour."

I think things are signed and sealed... just waiting to be delivered.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
BTW, the Microsoft Shill, Rob Enderle, can now be called Prophet Enderle.

From APRIL of this year:

There is one retailer that has the power to call the winner of the protracted Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD fight and that vendor is Wal-Mart. Over the weekend they apparently leaked plans to bring in a massive number of low cost (possibly sub $200) HD DVD players for Christmas.

The manufacturing side of this has apparently been in the works for a few years but this is the first time we have had projected prices for the result.

Why Wal-Mart, Why Now?

Wal-Mart uses DVDs to build store traffic. They tend to subsidize the price for the movies they feature to get folks into the stores and once there, these folks tend to buy other things. DVDs have been so effective for the company they threw their body at movie downloads initially and delayed the related services by several years. However, they have now realized that this kind of thing is coming regardless and have brought out their own movie download service to compete. But that doesn’t address the store traffic benefit that will be evaporating as people move away from DVDs for standard definition downloadable movies.

Wal-Mart sees the new high definition formats as a way to bring in store traffic again but they realized that won’t happen unless the players are affordable and there is only one standard. They recognized their own power in being king maker previously and are now using that power to drive the format that works best for them. They could care less about the technology as this is all about making money and they (like every other retailer in this space) know that two formats won’t allow the market to move outside of the fringes and the dual-mode players are simply way too expensive.

So they need one standard and a lot of players in market before their DVD customers wander off to download land and stops coming to Wal-Mart for movies.

Why HD-DVD and not Blu-Ray?

For Wal-Mart the only real metric is cost. Wal-mart doesn’t really make money off of the movies and do not sell high-end home theater equipment. They are known for aggressive prices and, as mentioned above, they subsidize their DVD sales. They needed something that could sell for under $200 soon and they needed the lowest cost of the new formats. This is where HD DVD shines, not only had Toshiba agreed to license to low cost manufacturers early on, but HD DVDs are pressed on the same lines that regular DVDs are, they require no major equipment change out and the blanks, when compared to Blu-Ray are less expensive as well.

This made the decision simple, Blu-Ray was just too expensive to make this work and any technical advantages were insignificant against Wal-Mart’s need for the lowest cost offering. For them it is about price and that is where HD DVD clearly has the sustainable advantage.

What does this Mean?

It means that any studio wanting Wal-Mart’s support after year end had better be selling HD DVD movies. Wal-Mart won’t be promoting Blu-Ray and, after year end, will increasingly focus their marketing on getting people to buy into HD DVD players and the related HD DVD movie from them.

In short, the Blu-Ray aligned studios will now have to either support both formats or risk losing much of Wal-Mart's business and given how material this business is to them, you have to think that an anti-Wall-Mart decision would have a material impact on their bonuses and career longevity. It certainly puts Columbia Pictures, which is owned by Sony, in a particularly uncomfortable position.

So, if this move by Wal-Mart is true , and it appears to be (but we won’t know for sure for a few months yet), the format war is likely over and Wal-Mart has declared the winner.

Yeah, this guy has no credibility. But WOW if he wasn't spot on. It seems like MS knew about this, and their paid shill let that info become public.
 
Kolgar said:
Yes. Paramount doesn't make the kind of move it did out of the blue (so to speak, hehe). Nor does motherfriggin WAL-MART. There are things going on and deals being made that we do not know about, and they're being made based on information far more meaningful than each camp's "talking points du jour."

I think things are signed and sealed... just waiting to be delivered.

I wonder if Acer laptop fans read as much into this as hd-dvd supporters do?

"Zomg Walmart going Acer exclusive"
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
I wonder if Acer laptop fans read as much into this as hd-dvd supporters do?

"Zomg Walmart going Acer exclusive"

And Acer makes an HD DVD laptop. How deep is this rabbit hole????

So you don't think that would be big news?
 

RaidenZR

Member
Regardless of what player Wal-Mart is backing, they don't carry shit in terms of software selection for EITHER format. So the thrifty Wal-Mart shopper is going to mosey on into the movie aisle with player under their arm and find the latest from Ice Cube and Norbit.
 

jjasper

Member
VanMardigan said:
Yeah, sure. But I'll have you know that they don't pay well. I haven't gotten a penny from Amir. :lol

They don't have to give me money I will take one of the Halo 3 moneyhat review score bags please.
 

Kolgar

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OokieSpookie said:
I wonder if Acer laptop fans read as much into this as hd-dvd supporters do?

"Zomg Walmart going Acer exclusive"

Would you have predicted any of this six months ago? Could you? No way.

I'm not reading into things so much as I'm looking at the mobilization of a motherhumping blitzkrieg, and saying to myself, "Yeah, at this point, anything is possible."
 
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