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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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ChrisJames

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The Main Event said:
From the AVS Forum UK Podcast:

Rumors of an HD DVD player made by Shinco of a price of $150 later this year.

Holy crap if true.
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wasting

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Mrbob said:
Who the **** is Shinco.
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http://en.shinco.com/

Shinco is a well-known Chinese manufacturer of electronic appliances, which include VCD, DVD players. They manufacture about one third of the world's portable DVD players. They created the 7inch- 10.2in protable dvd players, costing very cheap in the UK compared to other high quality products. Also they make widescreen TVS, dvd players and VCRS
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cause im sure you really care
 
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djkimothy

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DarkJediKnight said:
This one is for the Canadians: Best Buy has all Sony Blu-ray movies (minus Casino Royale and Open Season) for $19.99each.

Titles I can think off hand:

Blackhawk Down
Underworld Evolution
Kungfu Hustle
Layer Cake
Tears of the Sun
Resident Evil: Apocalype
Into the Blue
Monster House
Swat
House of Flying Daggers
5th Element
Identity
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Thanks for bringing this to my attention! :D
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

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mrklaw said:
Its AV Forums BTW - not affiliated with AVS in any way.
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Typed too fast and they look so similar. Thanks for correcting me.

http://www.t3.co.uk/news/247/entertainment/dvd_-_player/hd_dvd_beats_bluray

HD DVD beats BluRay

The folks at Home Cinema Choice have made their call and given Tosh’s deck the thumbs up.

HD DVD has landed a major hit on Blu-Ray, with the Toshiba HD-XE1 winning the Best Hi-Def Player at the Home Cinema Choice awards. The deck saw off competition from two Blu-ray units, by Panasonic and Samsung, to take top honours.

The award is a major coup for Tosh in their ongoing, and growing, battle with Sony and Blu-Ray. The win comes just days after they slashed the price of their entry level player in order to take on the PS3’s hi-def ways.

Steve May, editor of Home Cinema Choice said, “The HD DVD format wins out because it is simply the genuine article. Blu-Ray hardware and software is trailing behind HD DVD, which offers genuine user benefits.”
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Good to see Toshiba is getting praised again for their great HD DVD products :)
 
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Zoe

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Has anybody bought any J-pop BD's yet? I'm tempted to get the HYDE one that was just announced, but there have only been a handful of (Sony) lives released so far.
 
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mollipen

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Few thoughts from this page...

A $150 HD-DVD player may help, it may not. If people have decided that one format is better than another, price drops don't always help. Video game wise, for example, major price drops didn't help the Dreamcast nor the GameCube.

As for that "HD-DVD beats Blu-Ray," wow that's a joke. HD-DVD is suddenly much stronger because it won some award? Please. Winning that award means jack crap.
 
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djkimothy

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:lol

This reminds me of a time during a grad dinner for high school. My friends date obvisouly didn't want to be there so she said: "I let you sit here and watch your loser awards... I'm going out for a smoke."
 
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DarkJediKnight

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Panic_Attack said:
X360 required vs Standalone player

idiot.
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Don't go around calling people idiot, idiot. There's 5 million 360 users in US vs 1mil PS3 users. Before the PS3 launch, all I kept hearing was that the 360 add-on would negate whatever effect the PS3 would have since the attach rate for the 360-addon would be higher. Plus, it's sunk cost if you already own a 360. When I bought my as-on, I didn't say: "Hmm, I'm spending $479+ $259can."

With the add-on price drop, if you bought your 360 last year and plan of buying the HD DVD drive, are you going to see it as a $400+ investment? Nope.
 
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DarkJediKnight

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Ignatz Mouse said:
A price drop is not going to magically make the add-on a contender with the standalone PS3.
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Exactly. Price point is important, but HD DVD has had a huge price advantage so far and it's amounted to what, exactly?
 
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XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
Content is king. People can be nice and happy with their cheap Chinese-brand HD-DVD players, but if they don't have their favorite movies to play on it, it will go nowhere.
 
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Frankfurter

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DarkJediKnight said:
Exactly. Price point is important, but HD DVD has had a huge price advantage so far and it's amounted to what, exactly?
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... to more standalone HD-DVD players being sold than Blu Ray players?
 
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el Diablo

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Frankfurter said:
... to more standalone HD-DVD players being sold than Blu Ray players?
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While it's true that they're winning the standalone hardware battle it doesn't really matter at this point since the PS3 is tipping the scales so heavily in BD's favor. I don't think the HDDVD group in their wildest dreams thought that PS3 owners would be buying as movies as they have.
 
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Frankfurter

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el Diablo said:
While it's true that they're winning the standalone hardware battle it doesn't really matter at this point since the PS3 is tipping the scales so heavily in BD's favor. I don't think the HDDVD group in their wildest dreams thought that PS3 owners would be buying as movies as they have.
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Well, unless I missed sth. total BD movie sales are just a bit over a million. So considering that PS3 sales are also arround a million that means a ratio of one Blu Ray movie per PS3. Not exactly a ton imo and that's of course ignoring the standalone Blu Ray player owners (although that's probably a pretty small group).
 
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Chemo

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Frankfurter said:
Well, unless I missed sth. total BD movie sales are just a bit over a million. So considering that PS3 sales are also arround a million that means a ratio of one Blu Ray movie per PS3. Not exactly a ton imo and that's of course ignoring the standalone Blu Ray player owners (although that's probably a pretty small group).
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It'll pick up steam. I got my PS3 last week and thus far I've only picked up one Blu-Ray title... Casino Royale. But, I'm planning on picking up two more later next week (Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and A Scanner Darkly). I think it's just a gradual thing. Now that I have a Blu-Ray player, I see no real reason whatsoever to purchase standard DVDs anymore unless it's a TV box (Venture Bros, Entourage) or a Criterion release... anything that's DVD or HD-DVD exclusive I'll probably just end up waiting on. I'm pretty much going to pick up at least 2-3 titles a month, maybe even more when the releases are more frequent and of more specific interest to me. I'm sure many PS3 owners are approaching this in a similar manner.
 
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sonycowboy

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el Diablo said:
While it's true that they're winning the standalone hardware battle it doesn't really matter at this point since the PS3 is tipping the scales so heavily in BD's favor. I don't think the HDDVD group in their wildest dreams thought that PS3 owners would be buying as movies as they have.
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The tipping point for standalone players went into Blu-Ray's favor quite a few weeks ago. (That is, not including the PS3). So, as of this point, they're not "winning" anything.
 
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el Diablo

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Frankfurter said:
Well, unless I missed sth. total BD movie sales are just a bit over a million. So considering that PS3 sales are also arround a million that means a ratio of one Blu Ray movie per PS3. Not exactly a ton imo and that's of course ignoring the standalone Blu Ray player owners (although that's probably a pretty small group).
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I don't see how you can try to play down the significance the PS3 has had on BD vs. HDDVD. Correct me if i'm wrong but weren't HDDVD's weekly and total sales absolutely wiping the floor with BD before the PS3 was released? Currently how's BD doing in comparison to HDDVD? This huge influx of buyers had to have come from somewhere no? If that weren't the case BD couldn't have closed the gap and surpassed HDDVD so quickly.

sonycowboy said:
The tipping point for standalone players went into Blu-Ray's favor quite a few weeks ago. (That is, not including the PS3). So, as of this point, they're not "winning" anything.
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Didn't even know that, i was just going on assumption that the info he gave was accurate.
 
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
sonycowboy said:
The tipping point for standalone players went into Blu-Ray's favor quite a few weeks ago. (That is, not including the PS3). So, as of this point, they're not "winning" anything.
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Can you cite that just so we can completely end this completely inane argument...completely?
 
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Frankfurter

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Actually, you partly got me wrong :) My response was more or less directed on the sentence where you said that the HD-DVD group couldn't have imagined that PS3 users would buy that many movies. I just thought that's a pretty interesting statement considering the ratio of roughly ~1 movie per sold PS3 :D
I mean seriously, if the HD-DVD group didn't atleast expect that sth. along these lines would happen (-> early adopters [with probably a pretty huge amount of these having 720p+ screens] buy PS3 -> PS3 has built in Blu Ray -> people buy Blu Ray movies), they were on crack imo.
 
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el Diablo

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Frankfurter said:
Actually, you partly got me wrong :) My response was more or less directed on the sentence where you said that the HD-DVD group couldn't have imagined that PS3 users would buy that many movies. I just thought that's a pretty interesting statement considering the ratio of roughly ~1 movie per sold PS3 :D
I mean seriously, if the HD-DVD group didn't atleast expect that sth. along these lines would happen (-> early adopters [with probably a pretty huge amount of these having 720p+ screens] buy PS3 -> PS3 has built in Blu Ray -> people buy Blu Ray movies), they were on crack imo.
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Let's be honest, do you think the HDDVD group was expecting to lose their LTD lead, much less be getting their a** handed to them on a weekly basis by BD because the PS3 finally launched :D? In a worst case scenario they probably figured BD would even it up across the board (LTD and weekly) due to the PS3 factor.

The week of the 17th will be big, if HDDVD can't take that particular week by a wide margin i have a hard time seeing them close the gap again for awhile.
 
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GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
If that $150 HD DVD player thing is true, that would be huge news, I think the biggest thing keeping people away from these players is the price.
 
SentientStone

SentientStone

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Got my first Blu-ray movie today, Casino Royale; looks great. :D
It was a tad expensive though... $37 CDN after tax at Wal-mart. Can't wait until I get my next Blu-ray movie (probably 300).
 
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DarkJediKnight

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GSG Flash said:
If that $150 HD DVD player thing is true, that would be huge news, I think the biggest thing keeping people away from these players is the price.
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There's also cheaper Blu-ray players in the works. You can always match price. But you can't match Fox, Sony, Disney, Lionsgate.

Leshita said:
Got my first Blu-ray movie today, Casino Royale; looks great. :D
It was a tad expensive though... $37 CDN after tax at Wal-mart. Can't wait until I get my next Blu-ray movie (probably 300).
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Best buy has it for $29.99. It pays to PM me on Blu-ray prices in Canada. I have them memorized. :lol
 
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Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
GSG Flash said:
If that $150 HD DVD player thing is true, that would be huge news, I think the biggest thing keeping people away from these players is the price.
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I think a bigger factor is content....

Doesn't matter how cheap it is if it doesn't have the movies you want...
 
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wasting

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I think a bigger factor is price....

Doesn't matter how many movies you have if the price of the player is too expensive...
 
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Oni Jazar

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And those two posts are the defacto arguments for BD and HD DVD. :)

Personally I'd side with Content. Price will always go down eventually.
 
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teiresias

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The new pricing of these HD-DVD players will do really well in helping penetration. Now that HD-DVD players can be bought by people that can't afford HDTVs the hi-def format war will really heat up.
 
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tanod

when is my burrito
teiresias said:
The new pricing of these HD-DVD players will do really well in helping penetration.
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I think, that overall, this war needs more penetration - like Blu-Ray's exceptionally sharp sword into HD-DVD's gut. Now, with twisting.
 
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Content is king for me. It's not like Blu-Ray prices will be held standard either.

At this point, it would take a massive swing to even convince the studios they need to rethink their positions.
 
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sonycowboy

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teiresias said:
The new pricing of these HD-DVD players will do really well in helping penetration. Now that HD-DVD players can be bought by people that can't afford HDTVs the hi-def format war will really heat up.
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:lol :lol :lol

Excellent point. People keep saying the $200 price will be the difference, when folks are going to have to pay $1000-$2000 to have a set that will make a difference.

The race to $200 is not what's going to win this particular battle.
 
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ccbfan

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I think most of you are over stating the importance of price.

Sure if its way overpriced like $4000 more per player then yeah but they prices aren't that crazy.

The issue here with cheap players is that the consumer base for HD content isn't cheap consumers. People thats driving HD content right now are the people with $1000+ TVs not people with 200 dollar TVs, the cheap customers would rather stay with their DVD players or for some finally purchase a DVD player. HD content is the last thing on their entertainment minds. The people that actually have TVs ready for HD-DVD or BD will always go for content before price. There's a reason they purchased a $1000+ TV.

The cheap customers won't be even considering HD content since they don't even have a device equip to display it.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Price does matter, or else the PS3 wouldn't have jumped BluRay sales so much. Nobody was running out to buy a $1000 player to watch movies.

But in the end, both will have cheap players, and getting there just a half-year ahead is not going to outweigh BluRay's content advantage.
 
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Ignatz Mouse said:
Price does matter, or else the PS3 wouldn't have jumped BluRay sales so much. Nobody was running out to buy a $1000 player to watch movies.

But in the end, both will have cheap players, and getting there just a half-year ahead is not going to outweigh BluRay's content advantage.
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I don't know if there are a lot of people that thought, "I'm gonna buy a PS3 to watch Blu-Ray movies" as much as there are people that thought, "Hey, I've got a PS3 now...I think I'll buy some Blu-Rays instead of DVDs."

If there were a large chunk of the former, you'd think the sales would be higher. :\
 
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kaching

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Ignatz Mouse said:
Price does matter, or else the PS3 wouldn't have jumped BluRay sales so much. Nobody was running out to buy a $1000 player to watch movies.
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Before the PS3 was available, there also wasn't a BD player that people were particularly happy with either.
 
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Oni Jazar

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Pirates BD details @ DVDTimes (UK)

Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl - Premium O-Ring Packaged 75GB 2-Disc Set features include:
Scoundrels of the Sea (Exclusive In-Movie Feature)
Audio Commentaries
’An Epic At Sea’ – The Making of
Diary of a Ship
Diary of a Pirate
Producer’s Photo Diary with Jerry Bruckheimer (Exclusive to Blu-ray)
Fly on the Set
Blooper Reel
Below Deck – An Interactive History of Pirates
Deleted and Alternate Scenes
”Moonlight Serenade” Scene Progression
Walt Disney’s Wonderful World of Colour (Exclusive to Blu-ray)
Image Galleries
Easter Eggs (Exclusive to Blu-ray)
Enhanced Computer Features

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest - Premium O-Ring Packaged 75GB 2-Disc Set features include:
Audio Commentaries
Pirates Dice (Blu-ray Exclusive)
Bloopers of the Caribbean
Charting the Return
According to the Plan
Captain Jack From Head to Toe
Mastering the Blade
Meet Davy Jones: Anatomy of a Legend
Creating the Kraken
Dead Men Tell No Tales: Re-Imagineering the Attraction
Fly on the Set: The Bone Cage
Stills from the Set (Blu-ray Exclusive)
Jerry Bruckheimer: A Producer’s Photo Diary
Pirates on Main Street: The Dead Man’s Chest Premiere
Easter Eggs (Blu-ray Exclusive)
Pirates on Location (Blu-ray Exclusive)
Inside Dead Man’s Chest (Blu-ray Exclusive)
Pirates Around The World (Blu-ray Exclusive)
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