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Mrbob said:
Yeah that's curious
Is that 3D isometric chart based on some dodgy extrapolation at the AVS forums? Or are each of those numbers directly from Nielson?
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Yeah that's curious
Is that 3D isometric chart based on some dodgy extrapolation at the AVS forums? Or are each of those numbers directly from Nielson?
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Argyle said:
Well LG and Samsung somehow jumped on the HD DVD bandwagon by announcing their hybrid HD/BD players. If those are proven to be successful (i.e. the right price), I can only imagine the other CE companies to follow suit.
It doesn't really make sense to jump on that bandwagon if HD-DVD sales are as far below Blu-Ray as they've been. And from what I can tell, it seems as if Blu-Ray didn't really start gaining momentum until the PS3's release. Obviously the PS3 will never be a hybrid, so if it truly is the most successful next-gen movie format player (as it seems to be), any small ground gained by a couple of hybrids will probably be insignificant anyway.The Main Event said:
Argyle said:
The DVD Forum is the only industry-wide standard around. It is a logical step to continue with this organization going forward. Why was the DVD Forum having a next-gen format vote if it only existed to standardize DVD? Without it or another similar standards organization - there was nothing else to happen but a format war.
There's really one real reason that studios and manufacturers jumped over to blu-ray over the one chosen by the DVD Forum: Playstation 3. The PS3 essentially guaranteed market penetration. Without the prospect of the PS3, would all of these companies and studios have jumped on board Blu-Ray?
And you're exaggerating by quite a bit by saying there are "a lot" more options for buying a blu-ray player. There are few options, period, for either format right now when it comes to players.
My point still stands. Why is it so easy to now say it's "right" for HD-DVD camp to give in - when the point could have been made the opposite way when HD-DVD was winning? The only thing that defines "right" or "wrong" in that statement is what format the person writing it supports.
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Chemo said:
As a BD hardware manufacturer, I think it does make sense that some companies try out a hybrid player since, as you mentioned, the PS3 is the most successful, the cheapest, and probably the best BD player on the market. That leaves CE companies having a hard time competing against it.
On the HD DVD side, you've got a wide open market right now, with Toshiba being the only major HD DVD hardware maker. For an exclusive BD manufacturer, it can use that advantage to differentiate itself from the competition (PS3 and Toshiba's HD player), by providing a player that is completely universal to lure more sales.
HD DVD might be trailing a little bit behind BD right now, but both formats are gaining momentum. Samsung sees that, hence their format neutrality. And both formats have been only on the market for less than a year now, their 100 000+ sales per movies won't happen overnight.
Klotera said:
1) The DVD Forum is not the only industry-wide standard forum around.
2) It is not logical for them to take control of HD. The DVD Forum steering committee is made up of the companies that created DVD, along with some strong studios and some 'political' appointees, etc. While there are many companies that are in this steering committee that are also in the BDA Board of Directors and/or HD DVD's steering committee (can't recall what they call themselves), it is not all the same members.
Why would the members of BDA and/or HD DVD want to cede power to companies that are either not directly involved in their HD format, or worse yet, involved in the competing format? Obviously a new group has to be created.
3) That next gen vote you speak of was not for control of the format. It was a PR move to give a 'blessing' since DVD was the reigning media format. It didn't really mean anything in the sense of format control.
I'd have to look at the timeline. However, I'm pretty sure most were on board well before BluRay was known to be in PS3. You have to understand, the initial BD spec was around before AOD.
There was far more involved than simply PS3, such as the fact it's the better technology.
That's a pretty myopic view. Anyone considering HW support as a decision maker is going to look at announced models, as well as the list of CE support. Look at either, BluRay obviously has far better support, especially by the companies known for strong HW.
Because people trying to make logical decisions on such matter tend to wait until the competing format has actually launched with more than one player, and has a decent amount of content released?
Should VHS have conceded to Betamax since Beta was launched first and thus had the early lead?
These decisions are based on looking at momentum once the competing formats are on a relatively equal footing. Your theory is basically that the first format out should automatically win, and the other should not even bother.
Not really related to the format wars, but FastMac has a slim Bluray disc drive for Apple laptops.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2640
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2640
Onix said:
I never said that Blu-ray should quit competing - it was others that said HD-DVD should. I was simply arguing against that point, not for the opposite. That's my whole point - it's entirely greedy to make such a statement. I could turn your point back around and say shouldn't we wait for the competing format to bring out the cheaper hardware they're promising before throwing in the towel? Why do Blu-ray justifications only work one way?
Avoiding a format war only does any good before it starts. After its already started, it might as well go all the way so it can help drive down prices for consumers (I'm one to argue that the price war that may follow will do just as much to stimulate next-gen adoption and the early goings of the war as stalling it).
cjdunn said:$800. Nice to have but it's a third of the price of a new Macbook Pro.
Hopefully, Apple will have an OEM deal later this year. Given the costs, it may be until January (MacWorld San Francisco) 2008 before Blu-Ray drives become an option.
Yah, it is quite expensive. But you can get cheaper external drives from OWC. But I think this was just the first user upgrade for a slim profile.
Despite the expense, would it be possible to watch blu-ray movies with this upgrade with an old G4? Or is that not enough computing power to decode the film?
Klotera said:
I don't know if you read my post carefully, but my point was that HD DVD should have reached a compromise where they would have thrown in the towel but been included in the Blu-ray patent pool before either format launched. Those negotiations took place in 2005 if I remember correctly. I remember that for one day during those talks the news had leaked out that a compromise had been reached, then the next day it was announced that the talks had stalled.
To be honest though I wouldn't mind if they threw in the towel now - they're doing the consumers more harm than good at this point IMHO. There's plenty of room for competition within a camp to drive prices lower, especially since volumes would increase because people wouldn't be afraid of backing the wrong horse.
DarkJediKnight
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Check out this dude's collection. Look at the far right titles.
Ignatz Mouse
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Or perhaps just fake.
DarkJediKnight
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Looks like burned HD broadcasts onto Blu-ray discs.
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Ponn01 said:
Dude, trust me, if Star Wars was avaiable on Blu-ray right now, I would murder you and your family to get to the discs - no offence. :lol
Ignatz Mouse
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Is that Reservoir Dogs on BD? How'd I miss that?
DarkJediKnight
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Found out that those are Star Wars HD broadcasts. All you need is a Blu-ray Burner.
Reservoir Dogs has been out for over a month.
Reservoir Dogs has been out for over a month.
sonycowboy
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HD-DVD is not ****ing around.
This week, along with the price drop to $399 (for the low end model), they're including five free movies. ANY FIVE HD-DVD MOVIES. AND AMAZON IS SELLING THE PLAYER FOR $314.99.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000IJV4BC/
I think we're going to see some continued traction by HD-DVD in the weekly rankings.
This week, along with the price drop to $399 (for the low end model), they're including five free movies. ANY FIVE HD-DVD MOVIES. AND AMAZON IS SELLING THE PLAYER FOR $314.99.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000IJV4BC/
I think we're going to see some continued traction by HD-DVD in the weekly rankings.
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Darko said:
That's from some "other" vendor. You can choose Amazon from the right side. Not that there's anything wrong with the other company. I just wanted to use Amazon so somebody didn't say "Well WTF is that?"
I don't know why anyone would buy an HD-DVD player today, regardless of the iHD features and the early lead in A/V.
What good is a player going to do you, if it doesn't have, nor will it have, a very large portion of the entire catalog of the motion picture industry? Isn't content king? Shouldn't it be?
PS, why do you always have to inflate your expectations for anything competing with Sony (even though Blu-Ray is not just Sony), sonycowboy? False modesty is unbecoming of you. ;p
What good is a player going to do you, if it doesn't have, nor will it have, a very large portion of the entire catalog of the motion picture industry? Isn't content king? Shouldn't it be?
PS, why do you always have to inflate your expectations for anything competing with Sony (even though Blu-Ray is not just Sony), sonycowboy? False modesty is unbecoming of you. ;p
Phantast2k
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kina feels like Toshi's last stand :|
DarkJediKnight
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http://www.buy.com/prod/dragons-lair-br-ps3/q/loc/322/202883761.html
For those interested in getting Dragon's Lair on Blu-ray. Using google checkout you can get it for $21.75.
For those interested in getting Dragon's Lair on Blu-ray. Using google checkout you can get it for $21.75.
Ignatz Mouse
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Have to go pick up RD. One of my favorite movies.
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Onix said:
The XA2. Yes, but not as good as the XA2. The new Samsung Blu-ray player uses the same scaling chip as the XA2.
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
wha?
Say you own a PS3, 360 (elite), cable/satellite box, an upscaling dvd player and/or a HD-DVD/Blu-ray standalone, and you want to keep everything in the digital domain, you're basically forced to buy a home theater receiver with 3 HDMI inputs. And they all cost like $1499 right now. That sucks. TVs need to have more than 3 HDMI these days. Analog devices aren't going to cut it anymore.
Y2Kevbug11 said:
:lol
I didn't point to any model.
I asked what model is the best HD-DVD player, and if that one also happens to be the best at DVD upscaling?
ie. Is the single model that is best at playing HD-DVD's, also at the same time best (or equal) at upconverting DVDs?
Alcibiades
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Yes.Onix said:
SentientStone
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Anyone know if the transfer on the 4 disc Blu-ray release of Planet Earth is going to be the same as the HD-DVD one or if they would take advantage of the 50GB discs with a better transfer?
I just ordered the set off of Amazon.ca yesterday (almost $90 CDN after tax :/), and am looking for a real showcase (though I am only using 1080i at the moment).
I just ordered the set off of Amazon.ca yesterday (almost $90 CDN after tax :/), and am looking for a real showcase (though I am only using 1080i at the moment).
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sonycowboy said:
Getting closer to my mark of 249.99 first one to get a stand alone player to that price gets my business. That way I can keep it under 500 bucks for 2 players one for the living room and one for the bedroom. That way I won't have to buy movies 2x once regular dvd for the bedroom and hd for the living room. I will probably buy a 3rd player when they get under 150.
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actually, they are only 1 movie away from your prediction of 10 free movies..._leech_ said:
people have been using the $399 HD DVD Player + 4 free movies promotions at Best Buy and Circuit City, then plan to use the mail-in rebate for 5 more movies from Toshiba. That's 9 free movies. If prices continue to drop on amazon.com, I'll probably end up getting one of the high-end players this fall.
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