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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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DarthWaiter said:
yes PS3 is picking up steam in terms of gaming and its one of the best if not the best overall blu ray player and comes at a decent-ish price now. be silly not to get one if you want blur ay imo what with all the multimedia you can do, firmware updates, browser etc etc.
I got the fifth element on blu ray last night and oh my god it looks amazing, I wouldnt bat an eyelid if you told me it was made this year and was going to be released in Summer, looks INCREDIBLE.
VanMardigan
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Ignatz Mouse said:
That's because everyone here owns a Ps3, and so do the vast majority of Blu Ray consumers. The firmware upgrades for it are far smoother than on a standalone. Don't forget the issue with the Fox titles on some standalones a month or so ago.
Another reason that HD DVD owners tend to have more issues is that right now, Blu Ray is offering absolutely nothing in the web-enabled arena, which is what causes the "cookie" problems on HD DVD and the main reason why firmware upgrades are necessary in the first place. Whenever BD gets its act together and gets some BD Live movies out, and as the standalone situation improves in terms of sales, expect the same reports from users having issues.
Awesome. Now I can own the whole trilogy. DMC should be on it's way from Deep Discount, and I'll be ordering AWE soon. Once they figure out how we can tell the properly framed movie from the screwed up version, I'll jump on the original as well.
Rabid Wolverine
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megateto said:
They better be!
Sqrt_minus_one
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Economist commentary:
http://economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=7933610&story_id=9689600
Long drawn out battle are so 1980s.
http://economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=7933610&story_id=9689600
Long drawn out battle are so 1980s.
VanMardigan
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colinisation said:
That's not an old article. At all.
The Old Man
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XMonkey said:Oh so this includes the 360 add-on? Ok, guess we can toss PS3 sales up against this number
You're probably correct in saying that to make the numbers correlate, but they do have a valid reason for not doing so.
Anyone spending $180-$200 for the HD-DVD add-on for the 360 is buying it to watch movies. There's no other reason to buy it. On the other hand, not everyone with a PS3 will use it to watch Blu-Ray movies. Many will, but there is just no way to determine who will and who won't.
I guess there is just no real way to tell which format is ahead aside from movie sales, and that is where Blu-Ray comes out ahead.
Have you guys seen this?
http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/a291029.html
BR, DVD and Cd recorder, reads HDDVD, all below 400.
http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/a291029.html
BR, DVD and Cd recorder, reads HDDVD, all below 400.
VanMardigan
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oo Kosma oo said:
And this article hasn't been posted here at least twice already.
The "chinese" HD DVD player is available on walmart.com (199$) :
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7942216
Dont know if it's available on stores.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7942216
Dont know if it's available on stores.
Riskbreaker23
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OokieSpookie said:
aww, you made me want that movie in hd too
StoOgE said:
In fact, 199 $ was a very interesting price when announced 6 or 7 months ago.
http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/782/782359p1.html
But now, with Tosh selling its own players under 200 $ (or even 100)....
Christoff Yurievich
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nice.maynerd said:
BR has outsold HD-DVD 3:1 in the Thanksgiving week in the US :
72.6% of all high-definition discs purchased last week were Blu-ray, versus just 27.4% for HD DVD
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ay_Commands_Thanksgiving_Week_Disc_Sales/1218
72.6% of all high-definition discs purchased last week were Blu-ray, versus just 27.4% for HD DVD
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ay_Commands_Thanksgiving_Week_Disc_Sales/1218
Ignatz Mouse
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Elios83 said:
Good god, they cite the Walmart excuse! The clearer the divide, the more silly things people will come up with to try to counter it.
Anyway, wow. In hindsight this makes sense, but I did seriously think that the combo-only Star Trek was going to have an effect.
That's the last big exlcusive of the year for HD-DVD, or is Bourne yet to come? In any case, this next month is after the cheap player sales, and largely filled with dual-format releases, so it will be interesting to see how the ratios pan out. It will also be record volumes for HDM, so the numbers will carry more weight than ever before.
Go Blu! One Format Future, etc.
VanMardigan
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Elios83 said:
So these are the same numbers we usually get on Friday, right?
72/26?? Frickin wow. The Star Trek set must've bombed, by dvd standards.
Whipped Spartan
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I think it all boils down to movies available on the fomats. I remember a Sony interview before were a sony exec stated that a good percentage of the past years top performing movies at the box office are Blu ray exclusive.
That said it only makes sense that more Blu Ray's are sold.
That said it only makes sense that more Blu Ray's are sold.
Ignatz Mouse
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avaya said:
Good point.
Also, it's not quite 3:1. It's moe like 2.6:1. Not a huge difference, but the numbers make it look a little worse than it is.
Still, overwhelming numbers.
OokieSpookie
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Oni Jazar said:
I thought Star Trek would be a factor plus I was one of the suckers that thought that all of the free movies on Amazon would have an effect
DarthWaiter
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you guys have been throwing out percentages on BR vs HD-DVD sales, but are there any actual numbers, %'s in my opinion are used to hide the true details
The Main Event
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pickwick said:
It'll be available in store. The Venturer player is also on the cover of the Wal-Mart Canadian newspaper this week (also $199) with 2 pack-in movies.
Ignatz Mouse
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DarthWaiter said:
We only occasionally get numbers. Almost never over 100K, and sometimes the top movie for a week can be as low as the 20Ks. The official report only lists the percentages, so its not a matter of spin (like xx% over last week/month/year, etc, that happens on the gaming side).
Recently we heard that Europe had moved 1M Blu-ray movies, and that would put overall HD-DVD sales around 350K. Those totals are far below what NA has probably sold, since some single titles alone have cracked 100K on each format.
Since I am primarily interested in which format is winning out (in an IMHO likely one-format-future) the percentages do just fine, since I want to know one format's strength relative to the other.
OokieSpookie
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DarthWaiter said:
You have no idea what in the hell you are talking about.
Nothing is being used to hide anything.
Please take some time to read through the thread history before making any other assumptions if you would.
Ignatz Mouse
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dallow_bg said:
Wow, that's amazing. I didn't think it was that big a deal at the box office, but I guess their timing is excellent (Black Firday, on the back of price drops).
HP5 and the box will probably post huge numbers, too, on both formats.
Edit: Ook, go easy. Look at the abuse of % numbers for years on the gaming side and you can see where the misconception would come from. Also, who iin their right mind would read the whole thread!?!
I feel kinda silly getting my $100 HD DVD player now that I see that all those player sales didn't do a damn thing for software. I told myself that at that price I wouldn't care if HD DVD died off, but if it happens quickly before a big library is built, that would kinda suck.
Well, at least I'd be able to get that Star Trek set pretty cheaply. I'd need a backup HD DVD player so I could always play that stuff, though!
It was only $100, and I'm getting a PS3 eventually regardless. And I get to enjoy HD goodness now, rather than later!
Well, at least I'd be able to get that Star Trek set pretty cheaply. I'd need a backup HD DVD player so I could always play that stuff, though!
It was only $100, and I'm getting a PS3 eventually regardless. And I get to enjoy HD goodness now, rather than later!
Christoff Yurievich
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I tried reading the thread once. i got to page 15 and said fuck it. :lolIgnatz Mouse said:
ConsumerSquare
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The percentage wankery in this thread certainly isn't a good indication of HDM adoption overall. Maybe that's what he was talking about.OokieSpookie said:
Cosmic Bus
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So is paramount losing money overall now? Because weeks after this deal it seems to be exactly the same as it woulda been had it stayed neutral. I mean Australia is all blu apparently, JP has been blu for a long time, EU is now blu, and America is soon to follow, 73% bluray when there are 100 dollar hd-dvd players out there. My question is, why doesn't sony just put a damn 100$ player out, hell even a 200$ player and just put an end to this? After the holidays with all the ps3s sold and blu-ray getting more mainstream I don't see HD-DVD making a comeback.
Ignatz Mouse
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msdstc said:
I think it's because they don't want to sacrifice a healthy hardware market in order to end it, because if they can win the war without resorting to deeply discounted hardware, they (and the other Blu partners) will do better in the long term.
Ignatz Mouse said:
ehh maybe. I think looking for the long term, taking the loss on hardware now wouldn't be so bad. Software sales are solid for Blu-ray, getting this war over with will make them far better though. Like I said putting a cheap player out there will wrap this up nice and fast, I think it would help sony in the long run, big time instead of prolonging this war.
Zombie James
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msdstc said:
1. They're leading decisively despite the price disadvantage, so they don't have to.
2. Warner going Blu-ray exclusive next year will put an end to HD-DVD for them.
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msdstc said:
Because Sony and the rest of the BDA understands that you shouldn't price your product too low too early. Basically they don't want to whore themselves out like Toshiba is doing.
Toshiba is looking like a $5 whore on the side the road where crack houses are at, while the BDA looks like a better dressed female asking for sex inside of a nice casino.
Ignatz Mouse
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msdstc said:
Nothing is certain.
I think they will, but I also thought that the was was wrapped up in June or so, after the first wave of HD-DVD player price drops did nothing.
No $100 players from Sony/Panasonic/Samsung/Hitachi/Sharp/LG, they actually want to make some money with a sustainable format.
Paramount hasnt lost any money. IIRC the HD-DVD group will be contributing to their advertising costs. The sales they lost from Blu-ray probably total ~$40mn as a ballpark figure. Thats revenue not profit. They got $150mn pure profit from the deal.
Paramount hasnt lost any money. IIRC the HD-DVD group will be contributing to their advertising costs. The sales they lost from Blu-ray probably total ~$40mn as a ballpark figure. Thats revenue not profit. They got $150mn pure profit from the deal.
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