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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Arsenal

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Ignatz Mouse said:
The Paramount thing was never officially announce, but corroborated by several sources around the same time. Nobody seems to doubt it's true. The only point of contention was where the money came from-- some more zealous folks seemed to be convivned it came from Microsoft, perhaps because they like to think MS is the Big Evil Force behind the format war (which I obviously don't buy-- I think they like playing spoiler, though). That seems to have been debunked though, and Toshiba is the likely bankroller.
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Likely a lot of that "money" is also not cash either. Most of it will probably take the form of Toshiba marketing Paramount releases.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Arsenal said:
Likely a lot of that "money" is also not cash either. Most of it will probably take the form of Toshiba marketing Paramount releases.
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For sure, but whatever hits the bottom line counts.

That's how the videogame moneyhats usually work, too, isn't it? Marketing and development money, not just a check.
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
xploitedcinema.com

for all your brd and hddvd importing needs. everything there is either english, or has english subtitles.
 
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Christoff Yurievich

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I canceled my order. How can it be back-ordered from the manufacturer's website?
 
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djkimothy

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http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles/2007/11/hd_dvd_or_blu-ray_my_choice_is.php

Some guys decision on what his format of choice is...

My Pragmatic Conclusion
From experience I lack faith in the mass market when it comes to quality. HD disc does not even remotely provide the same level of perceived performance improvement that broadcast HDTV does compared to broadcast NTSC; that one was a no-brainer. Toshiba has been left out in the cold to battle this out on their own noted by the lack of support from other manufacturers for HD DVD players. Sony has made a HUGE investment by equipping all PS3 product with a Blu-ray player removing any choice for the consumer as well as providing a 1080p gaming future chock full of potential by the huge capacity of Blu-ray. 1080p60 anyone? Other manufacturers are invested as well with the Blu-ray players they have made and continue to make. If the mass market gets involved to prevent the death of HD disc I would put my bets on Blu-ray to be the winner due to higher capacity along with other uses such as gaming and PC applications and a wider choice of product and brands. The only element left that could have a huge impact on this is the adult video industry, pornography, as Sony has stated they will not provide a Blu-ray license to produce that content just like they did during the Beta versus VHS war. This time I think it is moot. It is nearly 2 decades later and technology has made pornography very easy to get via the internet or SD DVD leaving us with the performance pornography viewer, surely a small market, with the internet perfectly capable of providing that content as well for those inspired!
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I have to disagree with his assessment with HDTV broadcasting and the quality of HD media. The majority of HD broadcast I get is spotty at best.

From the same site. This guy thinks HDDVD is more consumer friendly...

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles/2007/11/which_is_more_consumer_friendly_hd_dvd_or_blu-ray.php

Conclusion

I'll restate what I've said above, but without all the detail. Here is why I believe HD DVD is the best choice for the consumer this holiday season:

* All HD DVD players are standard, and you can feel confident that you will not have any issues playing back any HD DVD title on any HD DVD player.
* Since all HD DVD players are internet-capable, any updates that you may have to do to your player can be done without complicated downloads, DVD burns and upgrade routines.
* HD DVD is region-free, meaning that no matter in which country you buy your HD DVD, it will play in your player.
* HD DVD media has less copy protection. Less copy protection means faster disc load times.
* Sale prices for HD DVD players this holiday are around $100-$200, much more consumer- (and wallet-) friendly than sale prices for Blu-ray players, which are around $400.
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The Old Man

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750,000 dedicated HD-DVD players doesn't seem too bad.

HD DVD Surpasses 750,000 Dedicated Players

Promotional Group announces record HD DVD hardware sales following Black Friday

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 27 -- Following landmark Black Friday promotions through major retail chains, the North American HD DVD Promotional Group today announced that sales of dedicated HD DVD players exceeded the 750,000 mark. The data is based on retailer reports and other point of sale data, and includes standalone set-top players as well as the Xbox 360 HD DVD player.

"HD DVD continues to gain momentum and market share with consumers," said Ken Graffeo, executive vice president of HD strategic marketing for Universal Studios Home Entertainment, and co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group. "With more than four weeks left for holiday shopping, HD DVD is turning out to be a perfect consumer electronics gift."

HD DVD continues to step up marketing and education efforts, helping consumers to see the quality and value of the new format. In addition to an enhanced presence at major retailers, HD DVD has added educational sections to its website at http://www.TheLookAndSoundOfPerfect.com.
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http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/15182/HD-DVD-Surpasses-750000-Dedicated-Players-in-the-US/

I wonder what the fanboys over at PS3 Forums will have to say about this. I am sure it won't be good though. They can only see life through Blu-Ray colored glasses.
 
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djkimothy

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The Old Man said:
750,000 dedicated HD-DVD players doesn't seem too bad.



http://news.[B]teamxbox[/B].com/xbox/15182/HD-DVD-Surpasses-750000-Dedicated-Players-in-the-US/

I wonder what the fanboys over at PS3 Forums will have to say about this. I am sure it won't be good though. They can only see life through Blu-Ray colored glasses.
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If you would have posted the link from here:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...o_Group:_HD_DVD_Player_Sales_Top_750,000/1208

And didn't make the remarks I bolded, I would have taken you seriously.

does the xbox 360 and ps3 come HDDVD/Blu ray ready? or do you have to buy attachments to use that feature?
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PS3 is blu-ray ready. 360 not.
 
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Zombie James

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"HD DVD continues to gain momentum and market share with consumers," said Ken Graffeo, executive vice president of HD strategic marketing for Universal Studios Home Entertainment, and co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group.
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Sounds like someone's been looking at the colorblind version of Nielson charts.
 
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OokieSpookie

Banned
Blu-Ray 72.6% HD DVD 27.4%

I think that says all that needs to be said.

And you have to love HD's new catch phrase "dedicated", their way of adding the 360 add on to pad their numbers since their expectations for stand alones came up a little limp.
 
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the larry david sandwich

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WrikaWrek said:
So i'm thinking about buying Die hard 4 and Spiderman 3. What's the word? Are these worth the BR purchase?

I only have Casino royale.
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well die hard 4 is a fox title so prepared to be raped in pricing, not to mention the inevitable double dip. it looks good, sounds phenomenal even if you cant process the dts-hd master audio

spiderman 3 is horrible as a movie, but it looks great and the pcm track is very active as well. not to mention you could score a copy cheap on amazon since its a pack in with all the 40 gig ps3s

final verdict, not unless you really love the movie or you can get them for really cheap
 
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CoG

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OokieSpookie said:
Blu-Ray 72.6% HD DVD 27.4%

I think that says all that needs to be said.

And you have to love HD's new catch phrase "dedicated", their way of adding the 360 add on to pad their numbers since their expectations for stand alones came up a little limp.
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If this keeps up and Blu-Ray stand-alone player prices drop... Wow, we can end this cockup soon enough.
 
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WrikaWrek

Banned
I really love Die hard 4, spiderman 3 not really, but i do have SPidey 1 and 2 in dvd, and i want to continue the collection.

The pricing is 29.99E for both. I also wanted to buy 300, but 40e? Are they kidding me? That's nearing the price of a game.
 
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BobsRevenge

I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Superbad is being released on Blu-Ray on the 4th. That's the next release I'm buying. I do plan on getting Ratatoulle (or however its spelled) soon though.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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The Old Man said:
750,000 dedicated HD-DVD players doesn't seem too bad.



http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/15182/HD-DVD-Surpasses-750000-Dedicated-Players-in-the-US/

I wonder what the fanboys over at PS3 Forums will have to say about this. I am sure it won't be good though. They can only see life through Blu-Ray colored glasses.
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First post! Well done, fanboy status confirmed in record time.

OkkieSpookie said:
And you have to love HD's new catch phrase "dedicated", their way of adding the 360 add on to pad their numbers since their expectations for stand alones came up a little limp.
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I noticed that as well. It's the only way you can include the add-on and not include the PS3 (since the PS3 *is* a stand-alone player, literally speaking).

I wonder what non-PS3 Blu-ray player numbers are up to.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Ignatz Mouse said:
I wonder what non-PS3 Blu-ray player numbers are up to.
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If we don't get any press releases about it from the BDA, don't hold your breath. A black friday bust. Not surprising, considering the 40GB Ps3 is a better option all in all.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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VanMardigan said:
If we don't get any press releases about it from the BDA, don't hold your breath. A black friday bust. Not surprising, considering the 40GB Ps3 is a better option all in all.
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Yeah, I don't think they did huge numbers or anything, I was wondering what the totals were.

750K HD-DVD, and using the seemingly-useful 20% Rule for PS3 + other BluRay players, to see what kind of comparison there is.
 
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OokieSpookie

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VanMardigan said:
If we don't get any press releases about it from the BDA, don't hold your breath. A black friday bust. Not surprising, considering the 40GB Ps3 is a better option all in all.
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Why would they need to?
HD's very own statement is a victory for blu because now it is not "stand alone" players, it has moved to "dedicated" since they decided to use the 360 add on to fluff their numbers.
I honestly believe that the whole thing by HD was sent out because they wanted to try and get something in before the numbers hit and kicked them in the pills.

All of those hd-dvds given away on amazon?
The first hd-dvd bogo?
Star Trek?
The fact that blu's movie deal at walmart doesn't count in the numbers..
None of that did anything other than keep it from being a legendary ass beating.
This really can not be spun. (not saying that you are)
 
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orio7

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The Old Man said:
I wonder what the fanboys over at PS3 Forums will have to say about this. I am sure it won't be good though. They can only see life through Blu-Ray colored glasses.
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purnoman3000

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djkimothy said:
From the same site. This guy thinks HDDVD is more consumer friendly...

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles/2007/11/which_is_more_consumer_friendly_hd_dvd_or_blu-ray.php

Conclusion

I'll restate what I've said above, but without all the detail. Here is why I believe HD DVD is the best choice for the consumer this holiday season:

* All HD DVD players are standard, and you can feel confident that you will not have any issues playing back any HD DVD title on any HD DVD player.
* Since all HD DVD players are internet-capable, any updates that you may have to do to your player can be done without complicated downloads, DVD burns and upgrade routines.
* HD DVD is region-free, meaning that no matter in which country you buy your HD DVD, it will play in your player.
* HD DVD media has less copy protection. Less copy protection means faster disc load times.
* Sale prices for HD DVD players this holiday are around $100-$200, much more consumer- (and wallet-) friendly than sale prices for Blu-ray players, which are around $400.
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That's funny, My PS3 seems to load my blu-ray's far faster than my HD-A20 does HD-DVD's and I believe there are several blu-ray player boxed units that I have seen the symbol for all regions on (don't have any imports myself to test my PS3). When it comes to downloads, I will admit that they are uncomplicated on the HDA20 but they are long (yes, longer than the PS3) and sometimes do not work and bear repeating. Least userfriendly piece of hardware in my home theatre.
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

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the larry david sandwich said:
superbad is 29 bucks on amazon. sony is pulling a fox on us
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My copy of Superbad got shipped recently. Can't wait to watch it. While I think Knocked Up was great, I think I'll like Superbad even more.

Battlestar Galactica HD DVD also just got shipped. It'll be pretty busy for me next week :D
 
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Ignatz Mouse

Banned
Rat played butter-smooth for me, although it 9and the Pixar shorts) had issues loading.

* All HD DVD players are standard, and you can feel confident that you will not have any issues playing back any HD DVD title on any HD DVD player.
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While this has been a talking point for HD-DVD, in practice it seems the opposite is true. Talk of needing firmware upgrades, having to clear cookies, and movies not playing on the 360-add-on... not in huge numbers, but I haven't heard these problems from Blu-ray owners. And load times.
 
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Argyle

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Ignatz Mouse said:
While this has been a talking point for HD-DVD, in practice it seems the opposite is true. Talk of needing firmware upgrades, having to clear cookies, and movies not playing on the 360-add-on... not in huge numbers, but I haven't heard these problems from Blu-ray owners. And load times.
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LOL 51GB TL :)
 
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Fëanor

Member
Ignatz Mouse said:
Rat played butter-smooth for me, although it 9and the Pixar shorts) had issues loading.



While this has been a talking point for HD-DVD, in practice it seems the opposite is true. Talk of needing firmware upgrades, having to clear cookies, and movies not playing on the 360-add-on... not in huge numbers, but I haven't heard these problems from Blu-ray owners. And load times.
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Not to start any dumb bs here, but don't blu-ray players have their own problems too?
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Fëanor said:
Not to start any dumb bs here, but don't blu-ray players have their own problems too?
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I think so, but you don't hear nearly as much about them. My whole point isn't "who's better" but rather "glass houses."
 
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mollipen

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purnoman3000 said:
That's funny, My PS3 seems to load my blu-ray's far faster than my HD-A20 does HD-DVD's and I believe there are several blu-ray player boxed units that I have seen the symbol for all regions on (don't have any imports myself to test my PS3).
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When somebody makes such a moronic comment as "less DRM means faster loading," that pretty much negates the entire article for me.
 
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maynerd

Banned
Good news Pirates fans...

http://www.digitalbits.com/#mytwocents

Also today, we have a follow-up for you on one other Blu-ray issue. Some of you may recall that a few months ago, viewers reported a framing problem with a few scenes in Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl Blu-ray Disc. Disney has apparently corrected the problem in production, so future copies going into stores will feature the correct framing (we'll try to find out if there's a way to identify corrected copies by the packaging - UPC number variation or something). In the meantime, if you have a copy with the mis-framed footage, you will SOON be able to call the studio's Blu-ray customer service hotline at 1-800-723-4763 (U.S.) or 1-800-877-2843 (Canada) to arrange an exchange. Don't call quite yet - we'll let you know when the fixed discs are ready. Just know that Disney has been working on the problem, and a solution will be available to you all shortly.
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DarthWaiter

Banned
alright GAF my hatred for Sony is high, but I'm thinking about getting Blu-Ray....HD-DVD just seems dead in my opinion, and the key factor is that Disney is onboard with Blu-Ray....whats some good deals? should i just buy a ps3?
 
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