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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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dankir

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Costanza said:
In December I think I'm picking up:

Blu-ray:

Pirates 3
Superbad
Lost season 3
Simpsons Movie
Pan's Labyrinth

HD-DVD:
Stardust
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I almost have the same list

Blu-ray:

Pirates 3
Simpsons Movie
Superbad

HD-DVD:

Bourne Ultimatum
Blade Runner ultimate collectors ( never seen the movie :( I know I know )


Anybody have any idea when Sin City is coming to Blu Ray?
 
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Christoff Yurievich

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msdstc said:
good to see Independence day still on track.
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Boy... what a busy day! My phone has been ringing off the hook all afternoon, making it tough to get a post up today. But we've got a couple quick things to report for you.

First, 20th Century Fox has sent over a statement about the forthcoming release of Independence Day on Blu-ray Disc. The title had been set for release on 12/4, but has now been pushed back to March 2008. Here's the reason why according to the studio:

"We realize the forums have been whipped into a frenzy, so here are the facts: While putting Independence Day through our regular and rigorous QC process, we detected a minor glitch. Even though 95% of users would likely not know or encounter it, we chose to do the right thing and remaster, which necessitates moving the release date. It is now scheduled for a March release."
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well, not really.
 
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dankir

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VanMardigan said:
I doubt any studio out there is making money (outside of incentives and such offered by Toshiba/Sony). At this point, HD discs are an investment for all parties involved. As the market grows, then the money rolls in.

btw, Crank HD DVD:

crank_hddvd_ger.jpg

Running Time: 93 minutes (Director’s Cut)
Aspect Ratio: 1,85:1 (1080p/VC-1)
Languages: German (DTS-HD 5.1)
English (DTS-HD 5.1)

This is from area-HD.de



Garbage. pure garbage.
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Why is it only 5.1? I have the Blu Ray and its DD 6.1
 
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OokieSpookie

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December hurts for me...

Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Queen Rock Montreal & Live Aid
Mr & Ms Smith
Potter 1
Potter 2
Potter 3
Potter 4
Potter 5
Blade Runner Collector's
Terminator 3
Pan's Labyrinth
Rush Hour 3
 
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OokieSpookie

Banned
dallow_bg said:
It's interesting that the new BD ad already has the new date for ID in it.

EDIT: Oops, backwards European dates.


Why does Robocop have the OLD cover from the cancelled Sony version?
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I am thinking that most of those are placeholder covers to be honest
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
HD Format war among the top 10 tech train wrecks of 2007:

HD format war drags on, begins to feel pointless
The back-and-forth battle between the Blu-ray and HD DVD camps continues to rage, with no end in sight. Blu-ray backers were telling us back in January that they had it all wrapped up, especially with the release of Blu-ray-packing PlayStation 3 consoles. But then something funny happened: the PS3 didn't sell nearly as well as expected (although sales are on the uptick thanks to recent price cuts). Meanwhile, prices for HD DVD decks fell steadily, while stand-alone Blu-ray price tags stayed stubbornly in the $400 to $500 range. Then, in August, HD DVD delivered a brutal sucker punch when Paramount and DreamWorks pulled their support for Blu-ray, choosing instead to go with HD DVD exclusively (word is the two studios were paid handsomely for crossing the street). As it stands now, the HD format war is at (in the words of Sony CEO Sir Howard Stringer himself) a "stalemate." What's the punchline to this sad tale? By the time this slugfest is over, we'll probably be downloading all our HD movies anyway.
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:(

Cool article, includes the Iphone, Xbox 360 hardware, and Sony Connect, which I have the unfortunate luck of having downloaded music for. Now I have to buy some CDRs to burn those songs. I wish they'd just allow me to transcode them to mp3 since ATRAC is dead.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

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VanMardigan said:
HD Format war among the top 10 tech train wrecks of 2007:



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Cool article, includes the Iphone, Xbox 360 hardware, and Sony Connect, which I have the unfortunate luck of having downloaded music for. Now I have to buy some CDRs to burn those songs. I wish they'd just allow me to transcode them to mp3 since ATRAC is dead.
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How is the iphone, HDM, and the 360 hardware 2007's biggest electronic flops?
 
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The Chef

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OokieSpookie said:
December hurts for me...

Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Queen Rock Montreal & Live Aid
Mr & Ms Smith
Potter 1
Potter 2
Potter 3
Potter 4
Potter 5
Blade Runner Collector's
Terminator 3
Pan's Labyrinth
Rush Hour 3
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I am going to get T3 just for the crane scene on the road. That is going to look and sound unreal.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
mckmas8808 said:
How is the iphone, HDM, and the 360 hardware 2007's biggest electronic flops?
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Click on the link. I agree with all 3, btw, insofar as I think they underperformed.

The iphone was/is overpriced and way too locked down. I'm on my second 360 (the author was clear in making the distinction between software/hardware), and this stupid format war should've never happened.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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We'll see if HDM is a trainwreck after the holidays. It's looking like it's picking up again after a confused Summer, and once Q4 is over, I expect we'll see some marketing/alignment changes that makes the whole game more appealing. Or else they're right.
 
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Warm Machine

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Onix said:
ATRAC is better than MP3 at similar file sizes ... so why shouldn't they have brought it out? Plus, it was originally used for MD, not as a general encoding format.

As for memory stick, as mentioned ... there wasn't a secure format available at the time.

It not like Sony brought out these things for the hell of it, just in the hopes of stealing market share. They offered things that were better than the other formats (which you can't really say were standardized at the time anyway).
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Typical to Sony though they locked it down or made it expensive and competitors swooped in and owned them. Long after their tech is made redundant, they still stick with it forcing adoption on people who buy their stuff.
 
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OokieSpookie

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Kintaro said:
I love how they keep hope alive about downloading HD movies thrown in at the end.
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Downloable future is the battle cry of those former hd-dvd supporters who have seen their fate yet have too much hate for Sony to adapt.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
OokieSpookie said:
Downloable future is the battle cry of those former hd-dvd supporters who have seen their fate yet have too much hate for Sony to adapt.
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You are full of shit if you really believe that. Both HD DVD and Blu Ray supporters are in it for physical media. Don't let whatever retarded crap you read on other message boards taint your thinking, because you wouldn't want me to form an opinion on Blu Ray supporters based on the garbage spewed on the blu ray.com forums.
 
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Chemo

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I really love how that article makes it seem like the HDM race has been totally neck and neck, or even that Blu-ray has even been the underperformer of the two (PS3 jab, quoting Stringer's painfully inopportune stalemate BS, mentioning the loss of Paramount). What the fuck? Thanks for confusing readers even further by not mentioning the one important fact in the entire mess that might aid in some kind of conclusion: Blu-ray has been outselling HD DVD by an average of about 2:1 for the entire year, which makes it the logical choice for people who are trying to pick a winner.

Good job, Yahoo. Way to cloud the issue for even more people.
 
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Elios83

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Format war will end sometime next year, it would be already over if it wasn't for greedy but also short sighted companies like Paramount.
At this point it's all in the hands of the movie majors because the market has clearly spoken, Blu Ray has won the favour of consumers all over the world (with a 2:1 to 3:1 victory for a full year) but of course if there are companies which notwithstanding this continue to support the losing format then it's about these companies not wanting a winner, not the market.
BUT next year will be a forced turning point for them, because DVD sales are going down, and not having a clear winner (and so a DVD heir) next year will impact seriously the growth potential of ALL the companies involved in the next few years and they all know this, so they will create a winner no matter what.
I hope for surprises as early as CES in January next year.
 
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avaya

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OokieSpookie said:
Downloable future is the battle cry of those former hd-dvd supporters who have seen their fate yet have too much hate for Sony to adapt.
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Normally I agree with nearly everything you say but this is wrong.

There's people in this thread who have both Blu-ray and HD-DVD and still believe in the downloadable future, like borghe for example.

FWIW I don't believe in the downloadable future in terms of it being the primary distribution method. Physical will never die.
 
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OokieSpookie

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Chemo said:
I really love how that article makes it seem like the HDM race has been totally neck and neck, or even that Blu-ray has even been the underperformer of the two (PS3 jab, quoting Stringer's painfully inopportune stalemate BS, mentioning the loss of Paramount). What the fuck? Thanks for confusing readers even further by not mentioning the one important fact in the entire mess that might aid in some kind of conclusion: Blu-ray has been outselling HD DVD by an average of about 2:1 for the entire year, which makes it the logical choice for people who are trying to pick a winner.

Good job, Yahoo. Way to cloud the issue for even more people.
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The best part is that it is not even yahoo to be technical, it is just another assclown's blog as usual.
 
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nerbo

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Chemo said:
I really love how that article makes it seem like the HDM race has been totally neck and neck, or even that Blu-ray has even been the underperformer of the two (PS3 jab, quoting Stringer's painfully inopportune stalemate BS, mentioning the loss of Paramount). What the fuck? Thanks for confusing readers even further by not mentioning the one important fact in the entire mess that might aid in some kind of conclusion: Blu-ray has been outselling HD DVD by an average of about 2:1 for the entire year, which makes it the logical choice for people who are trying to pick a winner.

Good job, Yahoo. Way to cloud the issue for even more people.
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Actually, the logical choice would be for people to buy the format that has the titles they want to watch, wether that be BD, HD DVD or both. Illogical would be to buy a format because of irrelevant sales statistics and tit-for-tat nerd fanboying of respective companies.
 
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dextran

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avaya said:
Normally I agree with nearly everything you say but this is wrong.

There's people in this thread who have both Blu-ray and HD-DVD and still believe in the downloadable future, like borghe for example.

FWIW I don't believe in the downloadable future in terms of it being the primary distribution method. Physical will never die.[/QUOTE]

I agree, physical ownership is not going away - but instead of owning optical media, I think we'll be seeing it replaced with flash cards & hard drives. When prices come down - you can buy a mem stick holding the 'original' version. Eventually (and I mean 20-30) - central servers will have enough confidence of the people so you just redownload as necessary. All of this is inevitable.
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the larry david sandwich

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you cant even really count fox, they are suspect at best. hell the only titles that looked remotely interesting on their front have all been delayed (man on fire, independence day, master and commander). not that i mind seeing as how they msrp catalog titles at 40 bucks, but jeesus with the amount of movies they have they should be making a killing. i guess theyll wait for another uncrackable copyright protection


im not discounting fox, im just bitter at the shit theyve pulled in this high def battle

you could say the same thing about weinstein but they dont have near the selection as fox/mgm so i havnt missed them much.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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nerbo said:
Actually, the logical choice would be for people to buy the format that has the titles they want to watch, wether that be BD, HD DVD or both. Illogical would be to buy a format because of irrelevant sales statistics and tit-for-tat nerd fanboying of respective companies.
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Trolling FTL.
 
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Raistlin

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Warm Machine said:
Typical to Sony though they locked it down or made it expensive and competitors swooped in and owned them. Long after their tech is made redundant, they still stick with it forcing adoption on people who buy their stuff.
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That is not really all that typical ... and isn't even really applicable to Memory Stick and ATRAC
 
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Chemo

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nerbo said:
Actually, the logical choice would be for people to buy the format that has the titles they want to watch, wether that be BD, HD DVD or both. Illogical would be to buy a format because of irrelevant sales statistics and tit-for-tat nerd fanboying of respective companies.
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Actually, the logical choice would be for people to support ONE format, because if they do then EVERY title they want will come out on that format. People aren't adopting now because they don't know which one to pick, which totally pisses all over the "buy-what-you-want" argument. Illogical would be to argue anything other than that.
 
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HocusPocus

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My December Purchases if they do more BOGO, or have some deals.

Blu-Ray

Live Free or Die Hard
Pirates of the Caribbean - At World's End

HD-DVD

Battlestar Galactica: Season One
Blade Runner
Bourne Ultimatum
Corpse Bride
Harry Potter: Chamber of Secrets
Harry Potter: Goblet of Fire
Harry Potter: Order of the Phoenix
Harry Potter: Prisoner of Azkaban
Harry Potter: Sorcerer's Stone
Old School
Stardust
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Chemo said:
Actually, the logical choice would be for people to support ONE format, because if they do then EVERY title they want will come out on that format. People aren't adopting now because they don't know which one to pick, which totally pisses all over the "buy-what-you-want" argument. Illogical would be to argue anything other than that.
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Note that all the ancillary arguments come out after a heavy Blu sales week. When it again appears the market is supporting one format more cleaarly than the other, all the obfuscation starts back up.

72:28 Week
61:39 YTD

In fact of that, of course the backers of the losing format would start referring to "meaningless" sales statistics.
 
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DoubleTap

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Chemo said:
Actually, the logical choice would be for people to support ONE format, because if they do then EVERY title they want will come out on that format. People aren't adopting now because they don't know which one to pick, which totally pisses all over the "buy-what-you-want" argument. Illogical would be to argue anything other than that.
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It's not logical, it's ideal. There's a difference. After jumping into HDM, I'm not going to be a slave to this stupid war so I got both, why should I shut myself out of the other side? It's available, it's reasonably priced. It's called making the best out of the situation. Like it or not that's where we all are. What happens from this point is irrelevant to me. It's a selfish stance for sure but that's the price I pay for being an early(ish) adopter.
 
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gandda

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unless broadband proliferation reaches tokyo/seoul levels in the US, which won't be for another 1000 years with the way this country works, i don't see downloadables taking over

if anything, only the elite will be downloading and it'll probably cost them just a bit less than bluray because of the supply/demand dynamic and blurays being mass produced by then
 
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HocusPocus

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DoubleTap said:
It's not logical, it's ideal. There's a difference. After jumping into HDM, I'm not going to be a slave to this stupid war so I got both, why should I shut myself out of the other side? It's available, it's reasonably priced. It's called making the best out of the situation. Like it or not that's where we all are. What happens from this point is irrelevant to me. It's a selfish stance for sure but that's the price I pay for being an early(ish) adopter.
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Dude you won't accomplish anything posting well thought out logical arguments here. There's plenty of folks in this thread that take it as a personal insult when you mention HD-DVD, and that you can actually enjoy it. I'm glad they don't feel the same about the sales ratios for game consoles like they do for this format war which is in its infancy.

What I'm personally hoping for is to be able to setup a home network where I can locally rip either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies to a set top box. That way I can just load my movies onto a player, and not give a dang about the boxes except for backup purposes.
 
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Chemo

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DoubleTap said:
It's not logical, it's ideal. There's a difference. After jumping into HDM, I'm not going to be a slave to this stupid war so I got both, why should I shut myself out of the other side? It's available, it's reasonably priced. It's called making the best out of the situation. Like it or not that's where we all are. What happens from this point is irrelevant to me. It's a selfish stance for sure but that's the price I pay for being an early(ish) adopter.
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So you'd rather be left with two worthless players for dead formats than one player from an adopted format, huh? Because that's exactly what you're saying to me. If one of the formats isn't adopted by the mass market, BOTH will languish and die before too long. Those of us who give a shit about a one format future do so because we want one of the formats to actually survive.

HocusPocus said:
Dude you won't accomplish anything posting well thought out logical arguments here. There's plenty of folks in this thread that take it as a personal insult when you mention HD-DVD, and that you can actually enjoy it. I'm glad they don't feel the same about the sales ratios for game consoles like they do for this format war which is in its infancy.

What I'm personally hoping for is to be able to setup a home network where I can locally rip either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies to a set top box. That way I can just load my movies onto a player, and not give a dang about the boxes except for backup purposes.
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Oh, I guess a one-format argument automatically means it wasn't a well thought-out or logical one? Glad to know you're not actually reading many of the posts in this thread because it makes your future input that much easier to disregard.

Also, thanks for casting your vote for piracy instead of Blu-ray or HD DVD. You are freaking awesome.
 
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DarthWaiter

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HocusPocus said:
What I'm personally hoping for is to be able to setup a home network where I can locally rip either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies to a set top box. That way I can just load my movies onto a player, and not give a dang about the boxes except for backup purposes.
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Keep dreaming dude.
 
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Flo_Evans

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I am going to defy myself and just get the regular blade runner. Not the supper briefcase one :lol

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(I need to turn off that auto-correct)...
 
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