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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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kIdMuScLe said:
A lot of stuff will still have letterboxes even while watching on high def and with a widescreen TV, there are several different widescreen aspect ratios besides 16:9 so it's unfortunately impossible to have a television that doesn't need to display black bars for every moie.
But hey, at least they're alot smaller now right?
Ignatz Mouse said:
What ?? Buying an HD DVD movie is not an invest ! Buying a player is an invest. If, today, you buy Transformers on HD DVD, be sure that you will can always watch it on your player, even if HDDVD format die tomorrow.
Few month ago, a guy said on a topic something like this : " I don't want to buy a Plasma because I've heard about the final victory of LCD" .... So What ? Don't worry, even if the plasma technology would die next month, be sure that your new plasma TV will works well for the 9 or 10 next years !
Dabookerman
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pickwick said:
LCD is winning?, i thought Plasma is superior? :S
kIdMuScLe said:
But then you'd just have the same problem, but in reverse - 2.40:1 movies would fill up your screen, but then any 4:3, 16:9, or 1.85:1 content you watch would result in crazy vertical bars. There is no escaping this "problem" (I say it with quotations because frankly it has never bothered me), unless we start getting TVs that do what movie theatre screen do, and physical alter the size of the screen for the given ratio (it seems to me that moist theatre screens are 1.85:1 by default, and when a movie of say, 2.40:1 is shown, the black bars are physically moved into place; pay attention next time youre at the movies, you can notice it happening).
Bah, current aspect ratios are all inferior to the great work that was Ben-Hur. Until I can watch that without black bars I will be boycotting the industry.
On a lighter not, anyone gotten Old Boy on Blu Ray yet and have any comments. I really wanna pick it up but since it's hard to find in my area and was wondering if there were any transfer problems or anything that might make me reconsider.
On a lighter not, anyone gotten Old Boy on Blu Ray yet and have any comments. I really wanna pick it up but since it's hard to find in my area and was wondering if there were any transfer problems or anything that might make me reconsider.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
bishoptl said:
So where are my fellow HD DVD supporters who are now digital download supporters rather than Blu Ray supporters. Show thyself!!
It can't be one of the regulars (stooge, main event, etc.), can it?
You don't understand. All I want to show is that Ignatz Mouse was wrong when he talks about "invest" of buying movies :
I mean when you buy a movie, you don't make a bet on the future. You only buy it in order to watch it or to take pleasure in. It's not an invest.
An invest is when you buy a PS3 or an HD DVD player. This is an invest because you take some risks because you don't know if it's going to die within 2 years. But when you buy a game for your PS3 or a movie for you HD DVD, it's not a question of "invest" anymore. It's just a question of playing it, watching it and having fun with it.
I mean when you buy a movie, you don't make a bet on the future. You only buy it in order to watch it or to take pleasure in. It's not an invest.
An invest is when you buy a PS3 or an HD DVD player. This is an invest because you take some risks because you don't know if it's going to die within 2 years. But when you buy a game for your PS3 or a movie for you HD DVD, it's not a question of "invest" anymore. It's just a question of playing it, watching it and having fun with it.
fortified_concept
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VanMardigan said:
Efralope is the best and most hilarious example. Also a good chunk of HDDVD "supporters" that before the Paramount announcement had realized that online downloads are the way the future. Don't act so ignorant, you've been having your eyes on this thread like a hawk for months so you know what I'm talking about.
You're explanation proves both sides. Buying the player isn't any more or less an investment than the media you play on it because it will also presumably work well after the format dies allowing you to enjoy iy till it finally craps out. How is the player an investment than and the media not so? To top it **f though DIVX was an investment, when Divx died all that media that played on the players died with it, thank goodness all Divx players could play DVD's as that must have taken part ** the sting away but man, am I glad I didn't invest in that.pickwick said:
Technically speaking since all formats are doomed from birth anyways they're all stuck in the same cycle but some people want a little more life out ** their choice than 5 years.
fortified_concept
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evilore fixed itmrklaw said:
of of of
Alcibiades
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Huh?fortified_concept said:
I don't remember championing downloading as a victor or alternative (though it's not something I'm opposed to people doing, it's not something I'd be particularly fond of for owning movies - maybe for renting though)...
Just a few months ago I said I'd probably end up with a dual-format player next year:
Alcibiades said:
If there was a $99 Profile 2.0 Blu-ray player anytime soon I would probably just buy that, but a dual-format player is a more elegant solution so I don't have to lug 2 players around.
Ignatz Mouse
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pickwick said:
I don't get the TV analogy at all, but if I buy, say, a whole bunch of UMD movies and the format dies, that means I need to keep an extra player around indefinitely or my investment in the movies is nil. This might never happen with HD-DVD, but it might-- and I buy enough movies that the ~$200 delta in player prices is a small fraction of what I will spend. So yes, the movies are the investment. HD-DVD spec is complicated and specific enough that I'm not certain that if the format dies off there will be players made in the future supporting it as a legacy, combo, whatever.
I'm not talking 2-5 years, I'm talking 10+. I have quite a lot of DVDs and I would be very pissed if I could not play them someday. I want my new media to be playable indefinitely as well.
Futureshop is giving away free Samsung Blu-ray players with the purchase of select Samsung HDTVs as well as Sony players with Sony TVs.
http://www.futureshop.ca/marketing/staticPC/default.asp?PCName=500bluray&logon=&langid=EN
http://www.futureshop.ca/marketing/...gbluray&logon=&langid=EN&CMP=NLC-email_weekly
http://www.futureshop.ca/marketing/staticPC/default.asp?PCName=500bluray&logon=&langid=EN
http://www.futureshop.ca/marketing/...gbluray&logon=&langid=EN&CMP=NLC-email_weekly
this is actually how movie theaters work, which is where the much wider screen came from. When you view a 2.35:1 or 2.40:1 movie on a TV it looks like you are losing screen space because of the black bars. But in the theater you GAIN considerable space with a 2.40:1 movie. the movie literally extends past where the 1.85:1 standard frame movie would end thus giving you a bigger wider picture in the theater. in effect there ARE "black bars" on 1.85:1 movies in the theater, there are just curtains drawn over the empty areas of the screen.Solo said:
Personally I agree with this. I always thought 16:9 was a stupid standard to agree on for HDTV. Originally TV used the same aspect ratio of film. It only makes sense for HDTV to have used the widest aspect ratio of modern films.
Chemo said:
Don't be so dramatic, two worthless players? Seriously man. No that's not what I'm saying to you, let alone exactly. That's how you interpertred my statement, big difference. My sentiments have been echoed in this thread ad nauseum. I posted my 2 cents regarding this stupid war just because people thought it was illogical to somehow enjoy both formats, you clearly disagree, and I had no illusions that everyone would agree with my point of view, but don't be so arrogant to think that you know what exactly my point was.
Ignatz Mouse said:
Couldn't agree more. I'm thinking super long term. I don't want to limit my movie watching to just my home theater, nor do I want to have to depend on two players or more expensive and possibly less reliable dual formats for every room in the house. What if I want to take my copy of Pirates to a friends house? What if I want to watch a movie on the road in my laptop? (honestly this is a reason why I personally like the combo format but that is a sperate issue).
I have dipped my toe in the HD library because I do not want to end with titles that only play on obsolete players. (Even after all the BD bogos I only own about 4 titles total). I will never watch the few LaserDisc movies I own ever again because I don't want to bring that out every time I care to watch one.
Blu-ray has always looked like the format to win so I took the risk, but I will not jump into dual formats. Nothing against HD DVD, I think it is more than capable of handling HD movies and features but I will just enjoy Universal and Paramount movies in standard DVD glory for the time being. If somehow HD DVD wins however I will be more then glad to shell out a whatever price for a player and build a new HD collection. If the stalemate continues and the price of the 360 addon reaches around $50 then I will buy it and happily rent almost all HD movies.
Ignatz Mouse
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What's the cheapest street price for a non-closeout model?
Hardware isn't any more of an investment than software. Both are investments in a product to use and neither can be used without the other. Hardware is generally considered the more significant investment because it typically costs more, but that doesn't mean the software isn't an investment and when the cost of the software is viewed in aggregate (your total movie library) it can certainly be a significant one.pickwick said:
borghe said:
why? then you have bars on the sides of most content. 2.35:1 is a wider format than is natural to view, but it suits certain types of movie and their cinematography well. Most TV doesn't need that, and 16:9 is a more natural shape for day to day viewing.
If you're annoyed at bars on the top and bottom, then someone should make a TV where you can extend the top and bottom frame to cover the bars on the main ratios. which is what cinemas do just in the other direction.
The Main Event
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http://hddvdformat.blogspot.com/
Doesn't seem to have a TrueHD track unfortunately (not that it matters that much anymore, especially after hearing Transformers DD+ track).
Doesn't seem to have a TrueHD track unfortunately (not that it matters that much anymore, especially after hearing Transformers DD+ track).
Rankings are out:
For Blu-ray
1. Live Free or Die Hard
2. Open Season (Best Buy Black Friday gave Open Season away with each PS3)
3. Spider-Man 3
4. Ratatouille
5. Hairspray
6. Ocean's Thirteen
7. Santa Clause 3
8. 300
9. Die Hard Collection
10. Planet Earth
For HD DVD
1. Shrek The Third
2. Transformers
3. Planet Earth
4. Ocean's Thirteen
5. Star Trek: TOS
6. 300
7. Knocked Up
8. Chuck & Larry
9. The Departed
10. Shooter
Weekly Ranking according to Nielsen Videoscan
For Blu-ray
1. Live Free or Die Hard
2. Open Season (Best Buy Black Friday gave Open Season away with each PS3)
3. Spider-Man 3
4. Ratatouille
5. Hairspray
6. Ocean's Thirteen
7. Santa Clause 3
8. 300
9. Die Hard Collection
10. Planet Earth
For HD DVD
1. Shrek The Third
2. Transformers
3. Planet Earth
4. Ocean's Thirteen
5. Star Trek: TOS
6. 300
7. Knocked Up
8. Chuck & Larry
9. The Departed
10. Shooter
Weekly Ranking according to Nielsen Videoscan
Ignatz Mouse
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Thanks, dallow.
I miss getting the ratios of each title to the top seller.
It would be interesting to see how Open Season did, based on that promo. That may have accounted for the extra Oomph in the sales numbers this week. Odd choice. I guess it has to be family friendly, and they want someting that's been out a while.
Oni Jazar said:
I miss getting the ratios of each title to the top seller.
It would be interesting to see how Open Season did, based on that promo. That may have accounted for the extra Oomph in the sales numbers this week. Odd choice. I guess it has to be family friendly, and they want someting that's been out a while.
That's what you said whether you realize it or not, because if one doesn't take hold, they'll both die. Rendering the players worthless outside of being used for a limited selection of releases from the couple of years they had a chance.DoubleTap said:
And god. What is up with the new posters in this thread calling names and picking fights? Like it's freaking arrogant of me to read the words you wrote and interpret them. I honestly at this point don't give a shit what you meant if you're going to reply like this.
OokieSpookie
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No the regulars are pretty straight in their stance.VanMardigan said:
But you know very well that we get people in here who will either play the well dvd is beating both of them card or the downloadable hdm is the future card.
There are also most definitely those who have said with no hesitation that hating Sony is what makes them against blu.
Chemo said:
Holy crap you have once again proved my point. You seriously think I don't realize what I said? I posted saying I love both formats. You came in chiming that I must want both formats dead, you, not me. Show me where I said it? You deserve to be called arrogant. It's one thing to prove me wrong it's a whole other deal when you think you know better than I do as to what I said. I love that you also try to dismiss my point just because I'm a "new" poster.
Xater said:
Could you import the US version of Blade Runner on HD DVD?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UBMZ4S/?tag=neogaf0e-20
the larry david sandwich
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borghe said:
that is why many home theater enthusiasts are pushing for CIH (constant image height) setups . basically you get a 2.35:1 screen and apply a masking system so that when you move to another AR you keep the same height you just change the width. luckily for consumers alot of the newer front projectors will internally scale the signal for you and all you need is a lens attachment.
the next theater i do will be a CIH setup for sure because it allows you to view films the way they were meant to be seen and your able to get more lumens with a better contrast ratio since the projector doesnt project the black bars and then block them out
DarkJediKnight
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The Main Event said:http://hddvdformat.blogspot.com/
Doesn't seem to have a TrueHD track unfortunately (not that it matters that much anymore, especially after hearing Transformers DD+ track).
I beg to differ. A lot of these reviewers were going goo goo gaa gaa over the Transformers track. I have a 7.2 setup so I know how my setup works with DVDs and HD; I don't think the bass was anywhere near as good as when I saw it in the theaters. Whether or not this is something lost in the DD+ process, who knows. It sounds great, but overrated.
the larry david sandwich
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DarkJediKnight said:
i agree that tranformers should of had a true hd track, but the idea that the dd+ is lacking is ridiculous. watch the ironman trailer after the movie ends and reevaluate what your saying.
IIRC there was a thread on avs in which many people were complaining about the lack of LFE in transformers and it may be disc related, i noticed it too, but after adjusting the sub out volume i was fine. you may want to search there and see if anything has been resolved. I think the main problem is your used to listening to lossless codecs in which you dont have to work your pre/pros or receiver as hard so you dont have to turn it up much
The Main Event
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bishoptl said:
The only site based in Canada that I know of is HD Addicts. Regular movies tend to be a little higher than Amazon, but they have a great selection of imports to order from.
DVD Pacific has good shipping price to Canada, and their price can be competitive. I usually pre-order my movies from there since they pretty much always ship earlier than most sites.
I just pre-ordered The Bourne Ultimatum from HD Movie Source. You can use a promo code (buyhd5) to have an additional 5% off (which pretty matches Amazon.com prices, but I'm not sure if it's still applicable). And their shipping to Canada is only $2.99. They also sell replacement HD/BD cases which is great. I never ordered from them before, so I don't know how long it'll take before I receive my movies, their site mentions that they ship the Friday before the official release date for pre-orders if available.
Deepdiscount.com is also a good site, I usually receive my movies 1 week after it leaves from their warehouse, but it takes a while before they process and ship your order.
The Main Event
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DarkJediKnight said:
What player do you have? I have the XA2, and I thought the bass was lacking at first, but that was for pretty much every HD movies that I had. Turned off the Dynamic Range Compression, and now every movies sound great. They also might have fixed some of the bass management problems with the latest 2.7 firmware update.
The Main Event said:
Same thing happened to me. I watched it last night and the LFE was abysmal...I mean it was so non-existant that I thought my subwoofer was broken.
Someone suggested turning off DRC on my Toshiba HD-E1. The film restarted and I felt a thump in my chest as the helicopter flew across the screen. I skipped to where I should have been (during the scene where lots of Transformers first appear) and I almost fell out of my chair :lol Absolutely nothing wrong with the bass in this film! The sound quality (once I did this) was absolutely superb. It looked fantastic as well
But, saying that, an uncompressed audio track would sound better than the one that is on the disc. To try and argue otherwise is just silly, IMO
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