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[Warm Machine]

That is not really all that typical ... and isn't even really applicable to Memory Stick and ATRAC

Man do I ever have a story for you about a piece of Sony hardware I bought recently. Its anger would require a whole new thread.

 

[VanMardigan]

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Note that all the ancillary arguments come out after a heavy Blu sales week. When it again appears the market is supporting one format more cleaarly than the other, all the obfuscation starts back up.

72:28 Week
61:39 YTD

In fact of that, of course the backers of the losing format would start referring to "meaningless" sales statistics.

It's pathetic that you would imply that the only time there are arguments here are during the sales weeks when Blu dominates. As if the 51/49 week, the Paramount exclusivity deal, The $99 players, etc. don't bring out arguments as well. You can try to pretend like we only argue when Blu has a 70/30 week or better, but you'd be looking like a hypocrite. Sales matter, Blu is winning in software sales, but HD DVD is not about to announce their withdrawal next week, nor will exclusive titles stop flowing. The sooner we all accept ALL of these facts, the better.

Crying "one format future" like that's only desirable on the Blu side is both hypocritical and unnecessary, since there are no divx fans who didn't buy dvd after that won. In the meantime, it would be helpful that we can talk sales and our personal opinions without absurd blanket statements being made about an entire ownership group. Just as there are idiots saying that 2:1 means nothing, there are also idiots who claim that HD DVD supporters are digital download fans now. Both sides have their share of moronic posts, so you pointing your finger at HD DVD fans as the source of arguments is pure fantasy. It comes from both sides, it comes during sales weeks, it comes regardless of who gets the good news.

Or are you pretending that if Star Trek had sold 300k and pushed HD DVD over Blu, that there wouldn't be arguments about the validity of the set and such? Do you really believe there wouldn't be any ancillary arguments then?

 

[OokieSpookie]

Or are you pretending that if Star Trek had sold 300k and pushed HD DVD over Blu, that there wouldn't be arguments about the validity of the set and such? Do you really believe there wouldn't be any ancillary arguments then?

I probably would have picked up the Star Trek set if it was on blu.
Not really sure when I would find the time to watch it , but that is a growing problem with anything I pick up these days :lol

 

[mollipen]

FWIW I don't believe in the downloadable future in terms of it being the primary distribution method. Physical will never die.

I used to 100% believe that as well.

Yet now... I look at my music library, and I hate the idea of buying physical media for music at this point. My music library is what is in iTunes, and what is on my iPod, not the CDs I have sitting in storage. I used to be adamant about having physical copies of my games, yet now I prefer having my classic games playable via the Wii's Virtual Console, or loading up an XBLA game instead of pulling out the disc.

Having all my movies on a home media server that brings them up at the touch of a button... I'm not so against that idea anymore.

 

[OokieSpookie]

I used to 100% believe that as well.

Yet now... I look at my music library, and I hate the idea of buying physical media for music at this point. My music library is what is in iTunes, and what is on my iPod, not the CDs I have sitting in storage. I used to be adamant about having physical copies of my games, yet now I prefer having my classic games playable via the Wii's Virtual Console, or loading up an XBLA game instead of pulling out the disc.

Having all my movies on a home media server that brings them up at the touch of a button... I'm not so against that idea anymore.

I am kind of the opposite really.
I love the portability do not get me wrong, I have over 120gigs of just music.
But again I like that for portability and ease of use and whatnot, but there is something about a CD (or dvd/bd) that can not be replaced and I continually add to my collection even though to be technical there is never a need anymore.
I would say the book and the packaging but that is not always the case.
It could be just the mechanics of the disk in the player , or it could be how nice a full cd rack or movie rack looks.
It is the same with Ebooks and comic files, it can not replace the original.
It can accentuate it, but in my opinion never replace.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

It's pathetic that you would imply that the only time there are arguments here are during the sales weeks when Blu dominates. As if the 51/49 week, the Paramount exclusivity deal, The $99 players, etc. don't bring out arguments as well. You can try to pretend like we only argue when Blu has a 70/30 week or better, but you'd be looking like a hypocrite. Sales matter, Blu is winning in software sales, but HD DVD is not about to announce their withdrawal next week, nor will exclusive titles stop flowing. The sooner we all accept ALL of these facts, the better.

Crying "one format future" like that's only desirable on the Blu side is both hypocritical and unnecessary, since there are no divx fans who didn't buy dvd after that won. In the meantime, it would be helpful that we can talk sales and our personal opinions without absurd blanket statements being made about an entire ownership group. Just as there are idiots saying that 2:1 means nothing, there are also idiots who claim that HD DVD supporters are digital download fans now. Both sides have their share of moronic posts, so you pointing your finger at HD DVD fans as the source of arguments is pure fantasy. It comes from both sides, it comes during sales weeks, it comes regardless of who gets the good news.

Or are you pretending that if Star Trek had sold 300k and pushed HD DVD over Blu, that there wouldn't be arguments about the validity of the set and such? Do you really believe there wouldn't be any ancillary arguments then?

Van, I'm not saying what you think I am. I am saying that immediately (as in, for 24 hours) after bad numbers for HD-DVD come out, all the arguments about anything but sales numbers come to the fore, and FUD starts growing all over the place. And find me the place where I said that al, or even most, pro-HD-DVD people start these tactics. I didn't. I said more of those arguments show up in the thread on sales day, particularly in a lopsided week.

You're reading a lot into what I said. I'm dismissing the arguments, not all HD-DVD owners. Next time a bunch of Blu idiots dismisses some good HD-DVD news (and it'll happen like clockwork) you're welcome ot make fun of their pattern as well. I wasn't claiming moral high ground, I was saying that the dumb arguments were out today.

Oh, and please don't go on and on with the rah-rah-get-used-to-two-formats thing. It's not a desirable outcome, IMHO, and I don't feel like pretending that it is so as to not offend people who have both, or have a lot invested the likely losing format, HD-DVD.

I don't quite know what you mean by the bolded part-- I think you're trying to imply hypocrisy where there is none. I have always wanted a one-format future, and I bought based on which I thought would win, and I have been right so far (although it's taking a lot longer than I expected for it to settle). I do think some people are more invested from a company point of view (on both sides) but to quote Dylan: It Ain't Me, Babe.


61:39, for a year, with little significant fluctuation despite higher player prices and all of the anti-Blu FUD, still going strong. Withstood the certainty of a Walmart-backed Red Revolution, which has amounted to nothing but keeping HD-DVD from being completely dead. The only irritation are the exclusives which keep this from being a sane unified market. The market wants Blu, let's go already.

Apologies if anything I said was taken to mean HD-DVD owners in general.

 

[VanMardigan]

I probably would have picked up the Star Trek set if it was on blu.
Not really sure when I would find the time to watch it , but that is a growing problem with anything I pick up these days :lol

Just to be clear, you do not buy HD DVD movies?

And ignatz:
whatever, dude, it doesn't matter what you think of dual format owners. We're the ones enjoying all the content now, you can keep your allegiance to your format intact. If I felt like I could singlehandedly end the format war, I would do something about it. But since I had the resources and the inclination to enjoy HD content, regardless of format, I chose to do it. I own like 6 UMD movies I can only play on one device. If I had the same concerns you did about my media lasting a decade, I don't think I'd own a damn thing. I'll sell the UMD movies (or they'll rot, whatever), I'll sell the exclusive movies I have once they appear on the winning format. I honestly understand why you wouldn't want to build a collection of movies if you felt insecure, but here I am, glad I got King Kong, Batman, Hot Fuzz, etc. I'll enjoy those repeatedly and get so much use out of them before this thing is settled, that it won't bother me regardless.

Of course, I speak as someone who greatly enjoys HD movies, recognizes the inherent risks, and realized the investment really wasn't prohibitive (I spent $160 on my add-on). Even if I had owned one of those failed formats beyond UMD, like Mini-disc or one of the SACD/DVDA, I would enjoy the content on that format, then move on. You can still sell your mini-discs, UMD movies, etc. online. I'm damn certain I can sell every disc I've bought on Ebay if I have to at some point. I will never regret owning either format. This isn't ideal, this isn't for everyone, and I know you say that you'd go neutral if nothing's settled in terms of WB by CES or shortly after. Some of us chose not to wait that long, and there's nothing wrong with either approach, IMO.

I got my first two purchased Blu Ray movies last night (Casino Royale and Blackhawk Down) and you should've seen the smile on my face, and my wive's face. I have the player, why would I now limit myself? My netflix queue seems so much better when it's just HD movies instead of HD DVD's and SD DVD's. But now I'm rambling, and it's sleepy time for me.

 

[Cosmic Bus]

you should've seen the smile on my face, and my wive's face.

 

[nerbo]

Trolling FTL.

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Note that all the ancillary arguments come out after a heavy Blu sales week. When it again appears the market is supporting one format more cleaarly than the other, all the obfuscation starts back up.

72:28 Week
61:39 YTD

In fact of that, of course the backers of the losing format would start referring to "meaningless" sales statistics.

Actually, the logical choice would be for people to support ONE format, because if they do then EVERY title they want will come out on that format. People aren't adopting now because they don't know which one to pick, which totally pisses all over the "buy-what-you-want" argument. Illogical would be to argue anything other than that.

:lol

Now, I know this is going to be a real tough concept for some fanboys to wrap their heads around, but some people out there don't let sales numbers impact their buying decisions for products they like. Of course I'd prefer one format be the standard and I could care less which it is, but guess what? It's not happening and I bought both. Thus, you aren't going to see me on here cheering about numbers for either format when both formats are selling at a snails pace in the big picture. Picking teams with either format is about as pathetic as console fanboys who can't deal with the market being split amongst multiple systems.

And yeah, when Ookie-Spookie comes out with completely asinine comments about digital downloads being a cop out only for crying HD DVD fans, that is called trolling. It's sort of akin to when Ignatz Mouse finds every excuse possible to make posts in any thread about HD in talking people out of buying HD DVD's, just because he has a hard on for Blu-Ray. Seriously, what do you give a shit if people buy a 2nd format? The studios have already split the market. God forbid a market have competition within itself to bring down prices faster. Obstruction comes out because of a good week for Blu-Ray? :lol Are you for real? Does one of these companies sign your paycheck or what?

Anyone looking at the big picture with market numbers can clearly see that "the market" in large part doesn't give a rats ass about either HD format and will only upgrade to either or both when it's dirt cheap to do so.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Just to be clear, you do not buy HD DVD movies?

And ignatz:
whatever, dude, it doesn't matter what you think of dual format owners. We're the ones enjoying all the content now, you can keep your allegiance to your format intact.

Trolling FTL.

And I wouldn't buy HD-DVD movies for the same reasons I didn't buy UMD movies. I don't want to invest in a dead-end format.

 

[djkimothy]

I can't wait till 1 format wins out and all this bullshit ends.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

when Ignatz Mouse finds every excuse possible to make posts in any thread about HD in talking people out of buying HD DVD's, just because he has a hard on for Blu-Ray. Seriously, what do you give a shit if people buy a 2nd format?

Earlier THIS WEEK in THIS THREAD I suggested people go for the HD-DVD add on, and that if they had concerns about the future, could always Netflix the movies.

Please, try again.

I love it when people assume shit about me based on their own biases.

I'm very clear about my own preferences, my belief about where this is headed, and why I chose what I chose, but I don't diss people for their preferences.

 

[OokieSpookie]

I can't wait till 1 format wins out and all this bullshit ends.

Agreed.

 

[nerbo]

Earlier THIS WEEK in THIS THREAD I suggested people go for the HD-DVD add on, and that if they had concerns about the future, could always Netflix the movies.

Please, try again.

I love it when people assume shit about me based on their own biases.

I'm very clear about my own preferences, my belief about where this is headed, and why I chose what I chose, but I don't diss people for their preferences.

I'm not assuming anything. Your posts are self evident. Like you said, you are very clear about your own preferences. None of that changes you being a fanboy with an agenda here.

 

[Cosmic Bus]

I can't wait till 1 format wins out and all this bullshit ends.

At this point, neither can I. It's presumably what's stopping (most of) the studios from releasing films from their catalogs. I understand high-def fans are all about the shiny, pretty things, but aside from a very brief respite in late summer/early fall, Christ, are the release listings ever shameful on both sides.

 

[djkimothy]

I'm not assuming anything. Your posts are self evident. Like you said, you are very clear about your own preferences. None of that changes you being a fanboy with an agenda here.

Your credibility is severely lacking in this post. :/

At this point, neither can I. It's presumably what's stopping (most of) the studios from releasing films from their catalogs. I understand high-def fans are all about the shiny, pretty things, but aside from a very brief respite in late summer/early fall, Christ, are the release listings ever shameful on both sides.

Well at least all the new releases are coming out so it's not all bad. I don't care much for most of the old stuff.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Just to be clear, you do not buy HD DVD movies?

I have everything I need from HD.
Batman Begins, Hot Fuzz, and Shaun of the Dead.
Other than that no.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Your credibility is severely lacking in this post. :/



Well at least all the new releases are coming out so it's not all bad. I don't care much for most of the old stuff.

Just that post?
You haven't been paying attention :lol

 

[nerbo]

Your credibility is severely lacking in this post. :/

Credibility in what? Saying Ignatz Mouse is a BD fanboy? He admits it himself. 1000+ posts in this thread about it alone.

There are only two rational outlooks on the HD war:
1) Buy neither, stick with DVD and wait to see if one dies before you start investing in it.
2) Buy both and quit taking sides for corporate agendas.

Arguing for either side over the other at this point is petty bs.

Edit: I forgot 3) Which is to buy based on what has the titles you want to watch.

 

[Chemo]

Credibility in what? Saying Ignatz Mouse is a BD fanboy? He admits it himself. 1000+ posts in this thread about it alone.

There are only two rational outlooks on the HD war:
1) Buy neither, stick with DVD and wait to see if one dies before you start investing in it.
2) Buy both and quit taking sides for corporate agendas.

Arguing for either side over the other at this point is petty bs.

Edit: I forgot 3) Which is to buy based on what has the titles you want to watch.

Keep it up. Please.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Credibility in what? Saying Ignatz Mouse is a BD fanboy? He admits it himself. 1000+ posts in this thread about it alone.

There are only two rational outlooks on the HD war:
1) Buy neither, stick with DVD and wait to see if one dies before you start investing in it.
2) Buy both and quit taking sides for corporate agendas.

Arguing for either side over the other at this point is petty bs.

Ah yes, nothing like newcomers with delusions of self importance and clarity joining the thread to help us make it through the rest of the week.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

At this point, neither can I. It's presumably what's stopping (most of) the studios from releasing films from their catalogs. I understand high-def fans are all about the shiny, pretty things, but aside from a very brief respite in late summer/early fall, Christ, are the release listings ever shameful on both sides.

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Although I think I'd disagree about the respite. I;d say Spiring had more good stuff, and after that was very, very dry until recently. Thank god for Kubrick, the harbinger of Q4 holiday releases. Still, far, far from ideal.

Nerbo, you have much, much to learn. Please, continue your assumptions, they are amusing.

 

[nerbo]

Keep it up. Please.

I will. Have I said something untrue in any way? Where does this inane drive to defend a disc format come from in this thread?

 

[nerbo]

Ah yes, nothing like newcomers with delusions of self importance and clarity joining the thread to help us make it through the rest of the week.

Sorry, is one only welcome to post in this thread if they pick up a gun and fight the good fight for one side or the other? I missed that memo.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I will. Have I said something untrue in any way? Where does this inane drive to defend a disc format come from in this thread?

I don't defend the format itself much. I could give a rat's ass about the technical stuff. I mean, it *can* be interesting, but if all I got was movies in HD with surround I'd be happy, and both formats do that just fine.

Sorry, is one only welcome to post in this thread if they pick up a gun and fight the good fight for one side or the other? I missed that memo.

No, just the ones that refrain from slinging trolling terms like "fanboy" around and actually bother to educate themselves.

Hint: having a belief that one side is winning, and wanting one format, not two, to win is not being a fanboy.

 

[nerbo]

I don't defend the format itself much. I could give a rat's ass about the technical stuff. I mean, it *can* be interesting, but if all I got was movies in HD with surround I'd be happy, and both formats do that just fine.



No, just the ones that refrain from slinging trolling terms like "fanboy" around and actually bother to educate themselves.

I agree, thus I bought both formats so I can buy titles as I see fit without taking part in a corporate royalty battle.

As for fanboys: I call it as I see it. I don't see any harm in that. If anyone thinks the same of me they're more than welcome to say so. I'm sorry if there's any offense in that. Just so I can be clear here, if calling someone a fanboy is trolling, what is saying stuff like this?

Downloable future is the battle cry of those former hd-dvd supporters who have seen their fate yet have too much hate for Sony to adapt.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

You're clearly winning to call it...

However, I never tried to talk anybody out of going neutral, and in fact have encouraged it (as recently as a couple time this week) so I don't have a lot of faith in the "as you see it" part.

Did I say that? No.

 

[Chemo]

I will. Have I said something untrue in any way? Where does this inane drive to defend a disc format come from in this thread?

Of course you have -- you said that there are only two rational outlooks, when in fact there is another: Logically determine based on figures, trends and support which one will succeed, if either. Are you capable of logical deduction? Or are you only capable of indecisive wait-and-see tactics (holding out on either until one remains) or impatient instant gratification (buying everything you want the instant you want it with no regard for the future)? Whether you want to lurk and wait or buy it all now, you are going to have to understand that some people are perfectly capable of looking at the market and accurately determining the outcome based on rational thought, regardless of whether or not it's one of your strengths.

And seriously, get your fanboy name-calling bullshit out of here.

 

[djkimothy]

Just that post?
You haven't been paying attention :lol

:lol Obviously.

Seriously, I now skim through this thread to see if there's any new info. I just happened to read his comment about Ignatz being a "fanboy" and I had to laugh.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Long before I deceide whether to get Blu-ray or HD-DVD I had decided I was only going to get one, and to choose the one that look most likely to win. I've gone on at length why I think backing two formats his very illogical for me. I guess I'm a fanboy because I don't want to invest in half my discs being only playable on legacy hardware I keep around for that purpose alone*. I have considered getting a player only, and renting, and I still hold that option open. Van suggested it, and it makes sense. I figure if there's no clear news after this quarter and this is likely to drag on another year, I'll do just that. OMG I must be a fanboy.


* I know some think that dual format players are inevitable-- I don't.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8721036&postcount=21454

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8725329&postcount=21507
and
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8725329&postcount=21508
together.

Clearly the actions of somebody trying to talk somebody out of buying HD-DVD!

 

[nerbo]

Of course you have -- you said that there are only two rational outlooks, when in fact there is another: Logically determine based on figures, trends and support which one will succeed, if either. Are you capable of logical deduction? Or are you only capable of indecisive wait-and-see tactics (holding out on either until one remains) or impatient instant gratification (buying everything you want the instant you want it with no regard for the future)? Whether you want to lurk and wait or buy it all now, you are going to have to understand that some people are perfectly capable of looking at the market and accurately determining the outcome based on rational thought, regardless of whether or not it's one of your strengths.

And seriously, get your fanboy name-calling bullshit out of here.

I understand that quite well. I have no problem with that at all. What I do have a problem with, is the implication that one should not buy a format if it offers the media a consumer wants, be it BD or HD DVD. If someone buys something I do not, it's no skin off my ass, nor anyone else. This has happened many dozen times over in this thread.

As for fanboyism or calling of it, there's no sense in making apologies for putting your chips out on the table.

 

[nerbo]

Long before I deceide whether to get Blu-ray or HD-DVD I had decided I was only going to get one, and to choose the one that look most likely to win. I've gone on at length why I think backing two formats his very illogical for me. I guess I'm a fanboy because I don't want to invest in half my discs being only playable on legacy hardware I keep around for that purpose alone*. I have considered getting a player only, and renting, and I still hold that option open. Van suggested it, and it makes sense. I figure if there's no clear news after this quarter and this is likely to drag on another year, I'll do just that. OMG I must be a fanboy.


* I know some think that dual format players are inevitable-- I don't.

Hey, if you can admit that you are a fanboy and not apologize for it, more power to you. That is perfectly respectable to me if you have your reasoning for it, as long as you don't make it your life mission to convert those who might sway to other side of things. I have zero problem with someone calling me a fanboy to something that I am indeed, a fan of.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I understand that quite well. I have no problem with that at all. What I do have a problem with, is the implication that one should not buy a format if it offers the media a consumer wants, be it BD or HD DVD. If someone buys something I do not, it's no skin off my ass, nor anyone else. This has happened many dozen times over in this thread.

I agree with this 100%, and I've gone as far as to criticize other pro-Blu folks for suggesting otherwise.

I made fun of quite a few of my fellow Blu buddies for a recent spate of "If you aren't with us you are against us" type posts.

 

[nerbo]

I agree with this 100%, and I've gone as far as to criticize other pro-Blu folks for suggesting otherwise.

I made fun of quite a few of my fellow Blu buddies for a recent spate of "If you aren't with us you are against us" type posts.

So be it. In that case, back to my question on what I replied to to begin with...

Downloable future is the battle cry of those former hd-dvd supporters who have seen their fate yet have too much hate for Sony to adapt.

Is that... not trolling?

 

[Fëanor]

I have everything I need from HD.
Batman Begins, Hot Fuzz, and Shaun of the Dead.
Other than that no.

There's more to HD than that, but that's personal preference.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

So be it. In that case, back to my question on what I replied to to begin with...
Is that... not trolling?

I didn't say that, but yes, I've criticized Ookie more than once in this thread. And I was outright telling some other pre-Blu trolls to STFU. Called Snah an asshole, he didn't like that.

Where are all your posts admonishing the people of the HD-DVD side? Oh, there aren't any. You just like to come in here and look for Blu-ray backers to heckle. Which one of us in the hypocrite?

It's sort of akin to when Ignatz Mouse finds every excuse possible to make posts in any thread about HD in talking people out of buying HD DVD's, just because he has a hard on for Blu-Ray.

Your quote that got me going... still waiting to see how you justify it.

 

[nerbo]

I didn't say that, but yes, I've criticized Ookie more than once in this thread. And I was outright telling some other pre-Blu trolls to STFU. Called Snah an asshole, he didn't like that.

Where are all your posts admonishing the people of the HD-DVD side? Oh, there aren't any. You just like to come in here and look for Blu-ray backers to heckle. Which one of us in the hypocrite?

I clicked on the thread to see what was going on in it and that was what I saw. If I saw someone making that kind of idiotic statement but of Blu-Ray rather than HD DVD, I'd say the same of them.

I think I'm quite clear in that I don't really care which format wins and that I've bought both to make sure I can build a movie library in HD that has the titles I want, regardless of the company behind them. I don't think it could be any more crystal clear that Blu-Ray is a stable format that isn't going to go anywhere and will probably continue to outsell HD DVD onward in the future. Hell, I bought a PS3 specifically for the purpose of playing Blu-Ray movies, almost for Casino Royale alone. I think HD DVD has some opportunity to catch up some, but in the long run, I find it quite unlikely that they will ever surpass or even match Blu-Ray sales. However I do think HD DVD is likely to survive anyway and regardless of what happens, I am not letting either format stop me from buying the movies that I want to own.

Your quote that got me going... still waiting to see how you justify it.

A week ago (perhaps 2 now), a thread was made on this forum where someone asked for advice on what HD DVD player specifically to buy and your reply was to question why they were buying that format, suggesting they buy BD instead. It came off quite lame, IMO, since that thread title referred to HD DVD players, not a thread for advice on BD players.

(LAST EDIT/ADD): I think at this point, anyone who supports HD DVD is probably well aware that their format isn't going to "win" and be the exclusive future choice of HD disc media, or at least I'd hope that they've woken up to that by now.

 

[OokieSpookie]

There's more to HD than that, but that's personal preference.

I barely have time to watch what I already have to be honest

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

You'll have credibility with me when I actually see you calling out trolling/FUD on both sides and not just when you "happen" onto a thread and see some Blu-ray person to call out.

Y'know, I get people saying "hey, you only call out HD-DVD people" when in fact I do call both, if not equally. However, none of the people who say that to me have ever shot down an HD-DVD supporter who's spouting flames, spin, or FUD. You're just another one.

Nerbo: In that other thread, it was clear that the person was barely informed, not even clear if he knew there were two formats to pick from. I think my post served him. It wasn't quite how you make it out to be, although it did attract a lot of format warrior fanboys in my wake.



The post in question... not quite a rabid fanboy trying to change his mind. If I were trying to persuade, I'd have quoted sales figures or some such nonsense.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8657515&postcount=4

 

[nerbo]

You'll have credibility with me when I actually see you calling out trolling/FUD on both sides and not just when you "happen" onto a thread and see some Blu-ray person to call out.

Y'know, I get people saying "hey, you only call out HD-DVD people" when in fact I do call both, if not equally. However, none of the people who say that to me have ever shot down an HD-DVD supporter who's spouting flames, spin, or FUD. You're just another one.

Nerbo: In that other thread, it was clear that the person was barely informed, not even clear if he knew there were two formats to pick from. I think my post served him. It wasn't quite how you make it out to be, although it did attract a lot of format warrior fanboys in my wake.

I didn't think it was clear from his original post that he was barely informed, but since that turned out to be the case by the end, at least the thread served some purpose.

 

[maximumdayco]

picked up my 2nd blu ray player.. last year's samsung b1200.. for $150!

just thought i'd chime in.

 

[DJ_Tet]

picked up my 2nd blu ray player.. last year's samsung b1200.. for $150!

just thought i'd chime in.

Damn, I'd love to get a blu ray for $150. Hell, I'd love to get one (a ps3) for $300.

 

[Chemo]

I understand that quite well. I have no problem with that at all. What I do have a problem with, is the implication that one should not buy a format if it offers the media a consumer wants, be it BD or HD DVD. If someone buys something I do not, it's no skin off my ass, nor anyone else. This has happened many dozen times over in this thread.

Did anyone say that no one should buy one of the formats? My implication was that if people were given the sales facts by news outlets and blogs that were more exposed to the public than freaking hidefdigest.com and the NeoGAF Blu-ray/HD DVD fiasco thread that they would probably make a decision based on a format's LIKELIHOOD TO PERPETUATE. My entire issue with the ridiculous news story that was posted was that it didn't break down the 2007 HDM war with the one thing Joe and Jane Dipshit can really wrap their heads around: popularity/sales performance.

Do you understand how it might be maddening to see site after site and idiot blogger after damn idiot blogger paint this war to be some struggle between two even-matched competitors running a 7,000 mile race in waist-deep water? It's not that close by a longshot, nor should it be that drawn-out, and if painted the appropriate picture of the HDM landscape was painted for the public, Mr and Mrs Dipshit are going to think, "Huh, well it would be stupid to waste money on something that not many people are buying because that doesn't really bode well for its future, does it? And there must be a reason everyone else is buying the competition's product!"

This is how format wars end: with everyone gravitating in one direction or the other based on information and, frequently, what everyone else is doing. The media is more guilty than the damn manufacturers for drawing this out because the vast majority of them are sitting on the fence with no desire whatsoever to take any kind of stand. Rather than making a decision, rather than using reason to make a good suggestion for consumers, websites and bloggers would rather just write articles on how disastrous both formats are, and how neither one has a chance to succeed. Just like the stupid blog that I felt compelled to post my thoughts about... which you decided to respond to in a way that simultaneously accused me of being a fanboy and stated that sales figures are irrelevant (they are absolutely not, they are the roadmap for HDM adoption) and drag this shit on much longer than it should have been dragged on in the first place when my entire damn point was that these sites should really paint a more accurate picture of the landscape if they want to write anything about the situation at all.

 

[nerbo]

Did anyone say that no one should buy one of the formats? My implication was that if people were given the sales facts by news outlets and blogs that were more exposed to the public than freaking hidefdigest.com and the NeoGAF Blu-ray/HD DVD fiasco thread that they would probably make a decision based on a format's LIKELIHOOD TO PERPETUATE. My entire issue with the ridiculous news story that was posted was that it didn't break down the 2007 HDM war with the one thing Joe and Jane Dipshit can really wrap their heads around: popularity/sales performance.

Do you understand how it might be maddening to see site after site and idiot blogger after damn idiot blogger paint this war to be some struggle between two even-matched competitors running a 7,000 mile race in waist-deep water? It's not that close by a longshot, nor should it be that drawn-out, and if painted the appropriate picture of the HDM landscape was painted for the public, Mr and Mrs Dipshit are going to think, "Huh, well it would be stupid to waste money on something that not many people are buying because that doesn't really bode well for its future, does it? And there must be a reason everyone else is buying the competition's product!"

This is how format wars end: with everyone gravitating in one direction or the other based on information and, frequently, what everyone else is doing. The media is more guilty than the damn manufacturers for drawing this out because the vast majority of them are sitting on the fence with no desire whatsoever to take any kind of stand. Rather than making a decision, rather than using reason to make a good suggestion for consumers, websites and bloggers would rather just write articles on how disastrous both formats are, and how neither one has a chance to succeed. Just like the stupid blog that I felt compelled to post my thoughts about... which you decided to respond to in a way that simultaneously accused me of being a fanboy and stated that sales figures are irrelevant (they are absolutely not, they are the roadmap for HDM adoption) and drag this shit on much longer than it should have been dragged on in the first place when my entire damn point was that these sites should really paint a more accurate picture of the landscape if they want to write anything about the situation at all.

Except I don't think your depiction of where the format war stands with one having a clear lead that will inevitably end the other format's existence holds any water. I don't argue that BD is not ahead, nor dp I argue that it won't likely remain ahead in overall sales, perhaps by a decent margin. I do argue that both formats are seeing pathetic sales, just one more pathetic than the other - And that unless another HD DVD studio switches gears to BD or neutrality, the BD association has little hope of stomping out HD DVD for good. And I also still think there is a possibility that both formats have managed to create a market so hostile and jumbled, there is still an outside chance that they've both set themselves up for long-term failure.

 

[Christopher]

man I stocked up on the last Blu Ray BOGO sale - to be honest I was never a big DVD buyer, but with all these sales I can't help myself.

Keep posting good deals in this thread dudes

 

[michaeld]

Sorry if a repost, well actually I'm not but anyway...
Blu-ray Dominates Black-Friday

The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player.

20th Century Fox Home Entertainment's "Live Free or Die Hard," released the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, generated first-week sales that were 20% ahead of projections, in addition to nearly 100,000 Blu-ray Disc copies, said Steve Feldstein, the division's senior vp corporate and marketing communications.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr...ent/video/e3i8d5ddf2904a0aae38936c0078ef4de4a

 

[bishoptl]

So be it. In that case, back to my question on what I replied to to begin with...
Is that... not trolling?

It's not trolling if there are examples supporting Ookie's statement in this very thread.

But you just jumped in, firing away, without checking first.

Spare me the histrionics.

 

[nerbo]

It's not trolling if there are examples supporting Ookie's statement in this very thread.

But you just jumped in, firing away, without checking first.

Spare me the histrionics.

Fair enough if people beating the HD DVD drum in the past have switched to the downloadable argument as a reason to bash Blu-Ray.

I think downloadable HD movie purchases are inevitable once FIOS and DOCSIS 3.0 become mainstream, but considering how far we are from that, I see no reason to "skip" the current formats and wait for that to happen.

 

[kaching]

God, I saw the last half of Die Hard 4 over Thanksgiving and that movie really doesn't deserve to be leading the charge for Blu-Ray right now.

 

[OokieSpookie]

God, I saw the last half of Die Hard 4 over Thanksgiving and that movie really doesn't deserve to be leading the charge for Blu-Ray right now.

I finally saw both versions and I will honestly say ( and I never thought I would say this ) but I prefer the theatrical version and not the unrated.
(I will preface that by saying both versions were on dvd when I saw them.)

The editing in that movie just sucked in both versions, and as unnatural as the scenes where you could tell they were avoiding cursing and whatnot, the scenes where they cursed but it didn't seem to sync right were even worse.
I really liked the premise of the movie, but it was just too restrained.
Also switching Die Hard to a buddy cop movie barely worked in 3, and in this one it was a total wash.