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[Dot50Cal]

How can you know which is which on the shelf?

Old: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=109
New: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=534

Some shots of the new transfer via PS3 1080i
http://dot50cal.the-horror.com/avs/fmjd/

 

[Fafalada]

I havent' seen it yet, because there are no 3D cinemas around

Believe me, you are not missing anything. No amount of 3d can save it from being a horrible movie, with terrible quality CG (and by terrible I'm not referring to amount of realism).
I've seen more quality writting and fun in 4minute 3d amusement park rides...

 

[pel1300]

Uh, that completely depends on screen size. I have a 61" screen and you can bet that I'm glad I'm running things at 1080p rather than 720p.

You should take a look at that 1080p vs. 720p demonstration they did on 2 100 inch screens. It was a large gathering of AV enthusiasts and most of them couldn't tell which was which.

 

[YYZ]

man I just watched the unrated version of Mr. and Mrs. Smith. I'm not sure what was added, but I love this movie. The entire house scene is teh awesome.

 

[Argyle]

I rented Shaun of the Dead HD DVD from Netflix and I was going to post a rant here about how much I hate combo discs, because I put the disc in the tray in the dark, booted it up, and it was blurry as hell...

I open the tray and I realize that Netflix has screwed up and sent me the DVD version instead

 

[OokieSpookie]

Dogma is hitting blu on 2/12

 

[Gary Whitta]

You should take a look at that 1080p vs. 720p demonstration they did on 2 100 inch screens. It was a large gathering of AV enthusiasts and most of them couldn't tell which was which.

Yeah I am on a 61" screen and damned if I can tell the difference.

 

[Cold-Steel]

Michael Bay, Part II:

Does anyone out here want to challenge what I feel suits my films better in terms of look. I see every frame of my films over a hundred times before it is ever released. I know the lighting conditions I shot it and the result on the DI. I know the range. I know what the final product should look like - Blu Ray suits my films better. But that said - I don't a care about this format war because I have both formats in my screening room - I'm just filling you in on what people deep in the film industry feel ultimately is going on -

Transformers looks great even in DVD!!

Well he's certainly brought out the HD-DVD defenders in spades.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Michael Bay, Part II:



Well he's certainly brought out the HD-DVD defenders in spades.

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have the same output quality and everything else, right? I don't know how they could just 'feel' better if they both can do the same bells and whistes on PQ...Seems like he has his heart set on Blu-Ray and that is making the true difference for him.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have the same output quality and everything else, right? I don't know how they could just 'feel' better if they both can do the same bells and whistes on PQ...Seems like he has his heart set on Blu-Ray and that is making the true difference for him.

Pretty much. Unless the films are using a different codec, which wouldn't make sense these days, the two versions should be identical upon release.

 

[polyh3dron]

Fuck Pirates 3 has ISSUES. Wouldn't get past the trailers the first 4 times I stuck it in my 60GB PS3 with 2.01 FW. 5th time, it worked though.

I bought my copy at the Fry's in Burbank, California and what did I see when I took the slipcase off?

Fucking ugly ass bilingual box art meant for the French regions of Canada.

Needless to say, I'm pissed.

 

[Cold-Steel]

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have the same output quality and everything else, right? I don't know how they could just 'feel' better if they both can do the same bells and whistes on PQ...Seems like he has his heart set on Blu-Ray and that is making the true difference for him.

Maybe we should add another to the logic argument:

Movie Directors Obsessed With BR > Common Sense = HD-DVD winning

 

[YYZ]

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have the same output quality and everything else, right? I don't know how they could just 'feel' better if they both can do the same bells and whistes on PQ...Seems like he has his heart set on Blu-Ray and that is making the true difference for him.

I like that he supports Blu-Ray, but...

 

[Jeff-DSA]

The French Canadian packaging is so stupid looking on things like games and movies. Screw Quebec.

 

[kIdMuScLe]

Some time ago Toshiba financed a marketing campaign with a director and he made commercials promoting HDDVD. I forget who he was. I think he did a major TV series.

i think he came out on The Sopranos. He was a movie producer or something like that i believe.

 

[polyh3dron]

The French Canadian packaging is so stupid looking on things like games and movies. Screw Quebec.

Yeah, but how the fuck does Disney ship a batch of said packaged POTC3 BDs to a Fry's Electronics store in Burbank, CA only a few blocks away from the Disney lot?

 

[YYZ]

:lol

I can't believe some guy in Cali got the Canadian packaging, sorry dude.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Yeah, but how the fuck does Disney ship a batch of said packaged POTC3 BDs to a Fry's Electronics store in Burbank, CA only a few blocks away from the Disney lot?

Pirates don't like the cold.

 

[Diatribe1974]

Reading all the Michael Bay stuff here (and other places), I'm left wondering how so many people love his stuff, seriously. Out of all the movies he's done, I've enjoyed 2 movies: Armageddon & Transformers. If it weren't for the fact that I loved Transformers enough to ignore the butchering he allowed to let happen with it, I could honestly say that it'd been 10+ years since he did a movie that I gave 2 shits in the wind about.

 

[Cold-Steel]

Reading all the Michael Bay stuff here (and other places), I'm left wondering how so many people love his stuff, seriously. Out of all the movies he's done, I've enjoyed 2 movies: Armageddon & Transformers. If it weren't for the fact that I loved Transformers enough to ignore the butchering he allowed to let happen with it, I could honestly say that it'd been 10+ years since he did a movie that I gave 2 shits in the wind about.

I guess if you enjoyed:

-The Rock
-Bad Boys
-Bad Boys II

...then you'd probably be a fan of his for life, even if he did put together shit like Pearl Harbour.

To most people he's considered one of the top action directors of our time.

 

[Diatribe1974]

I guess if you enjoyed:

-The Rock
-Bad Boys
-Bad Boys II

...then you'd probably be a fan of his for life, even if he did put together shit like Pearl Harbour.

To most people he's considered one of the top action directors of our time.

The Rock? Sure, Sean Connery was great in it. Movie as a whole? Crap.

Bad Boys 1 & 2? I like Will Smith movies. Not these. It was like watching the movie of a 10 year olds imagination of what police officers were like.

Pearl Harbor? Oh god....don't get me started...please don't. The list is too long.

 

[nerbo]

w00t - Just used the Amazon buy-one-get-one free deal and ordered The Departed, Syriana, Training Day and The Fountain on BD for $47.90 after shipping.

 

[VanMardigan]

I rented Shaun of the Dead HD DVD from Netflix and I was going to post a rant here about how much I hate combo discs, because I put the disc in the tray in the dark, booted it up, and it was blurry as hell...

I open the tray and I realize that Netflix has screwed up and sent me the DVD version instead

They did that to me too. I got the dvd version of Last Samurai instead of the HD DVD version. Both my wife and I realized within the first 5 minutes that this was NOT an HD movie. And that was on my 30" 1080i CRT. Another easy way to tell is to attempt to bring up the menu during the movie using the HD DVD remote.

And about Michael Bay: While those statements are fanboyish (in terms of the PQ difference), I won't bash him as a director. I liked Transformers and Bad Boys, so he's fine by me.

 

[womfalcs3]

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have the same output quality and everything else, right? I don't know how they could just 'feel' better if they both can do the same bells and whistes on PQ...Seems like he has his heart set on Blu-Ray and that is making the true difference for him.

I don't know. Disney for example loves BD because of its higher A/V bitrate.

 

[VanMardigan]

Disney definitely pushes Blu Ray in terms of specs, but I think it's debatable whether HD DVD couldn't produce any of the Disney movies with results indistinguishable from their Blu Ray counterparts.

 

[mrklaw]

Dogma is hitting blu on 2/12

this is one area thats annoying about the war - multiple releases by the same director/in the same movie series, but split across formats.

eg Jay and Silent Bob and Dogma are bluray, but Clerks II is HDDVD. I love Clerks 2.

and thats not counting the fact that clerks II is out but Clerks isn't!?

 

[mrklaw]

Disney definitely pushes Blu Ray in terms of specs, but I think it's debatable whether HD DVD couldn't produce any of the Disney movies with results indistinguishable from their Blu Ray counterparts.

I agree from a technical standpoint. And as time goes on I think it'll be even less of an issue. As codecs mature and improve, and as authoring houses get better at their job, you should be able to get this kind of quality for less bits.

The only area I maybe see some value in the increased bluray performance is for perhaps more languages in uncompressed formats, or dual HD for PiP. But that shouldn't affect the main movie.

 

[VanMardigan]

I agree from a technical standpoint. And as time goes on I think it'll be even less of an issue. As codecs mature and improve, and as authoring houses get better at their job, you should be able to get this kind of quality for less bits.

The only area I maybe see some value in the increased bluray performance is for perhaps more languages in uncompressed formats, or dual HD for PiP. But that shouldn't affect the main movie.

I agree about not only having more languages (though some HD DVD's have multiple languages in 5.1), but lossless audio support. I read a chart that showed Blu Ray had a big lead in movies containing lossless support, including TrueHD and Uncompressed PCM. That's undeniably a space issue. When I upgrade my receiver to an HDMI one, that's definitely going to be a draw for me on neutral releases (if there are any neutral studios by then).

About the dual HD thing, it's optional on the Blu Ray side, not mandatory like we were once told. Still, once studios start using the feature, it will be cool to have the ability to swap between the two windows. I know MI:3 does this, and that on certain movise, the PiP window is larger, but it would be ncie to be able to swap between hi def streams.

 

[Naked Snake]

Anyone here in NY and use free shipping from DeepDiscount? How long does it take for your orders to arrive? It's been 9 days for mine and I'm starting to become impatient.

 

[Solo]

Fuck Pirates 3 has ISSUES. Wouldn't get past the trailers the first 4 times I stuck it in my 60GB PS3 with 2.01 FW. 5th time, it worked though.

I bought my copy at the Fry's in Burbank, California and what did I see when I took the slipcase off?

Fucking ugly ass bilingual box art meant for the French regions of Canada.

Needless to say, I'm pissed.

Quit yer bitchin'! Try living in Canada and having this shit for 90% of your DVDs and games!

 

[Naked Snake]

This is off topic, but my copy of Mario Galaxy has French and English on the back cover, are all copies like that or did I get a Canadian copy?

 

[Dot50Cal]

This is off topic, but my copy of Mario Galaxy has French and English on the back cover, are all copies like that or did I get a Canadian copy?

Probably a Canadian copy. I found a copy of RE Oubtreak like this too, with dual manuals and dual covers (in both french and english).

 

[OverHeat]

The French Canadian packaging is so stupid looking on things like games and movies. Screw Quebec.

Screw you. I am from Quebec and I hate the french canadian packaging.

 

[borghe]

Probably a Canadian copy. I found a copy of RE Oubtreak like this too, with dual manuals and dual covers (in both french and english).

no, SMG is trilingual. There is only one NA release of it. I am pretty sure that all current Nintendo published game cases are trilingual.

 

[djkimothy]

Quit yer bitchin'! Try living in Canada and having this shit for 90% of your DVDs and games!

90%? Try 100%. The Quebecers would be up in arms if anything sold in Canada didn't have a French translated cover. Not to mention the wasteful french version of the manual.

 

[Solo]

90%? Try 100%. The Quebecers would be up in arms if anything sold in Canada didn't have a French translated cover. Not to mention the wasteful french version of the manual.

Haha, so true. Even still, I sometimes randomly find DVDs or games that appear to be American versions, with no French to be found. Its glorious.

 

[OverHeat]

90%? Try 100%. The Quebecers would be up in arms if anything sold in Canada didn't have a French translated cover. Not to mention the wasteful french version of the manual.

....omg, I know A LOT of Quebecers who dont give a crap about the French manuel including me. The first thing I do with the extra manuel(french) is throwing it in the garbage.

 

[avaya]

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have the same output quality and everything else, right? I don't know how they could just 'feel' better if they both can do the same bells and whistes on PQ...Seems like he has his heart set on Blu-Ray and that is making the true difference for him.

I might get flamed for this but I have always felt it's important.

Blu-ray can do better, just from specs. Bay is referring to bitrate, obviously. Maybe he has seen the higher bitrate Transformers encode vs. the HD-DVD? Who knows?

In the end there has been no clear comparison of the best quality possible between the two formats. No one has produced a BD-50 and a 30GB HD-DVD disc of the same film, using the same codec. Warner just recycle the same encode. Paramount did the same, or used MPEG-2 encodes while waiting for the Panasonic Hollywood Labs AVC encoder to be finished at the start.

Right now people are comparing apples and oranges like Pirates vs. King Kong. How anyone can conclude that you can’t distinguish between two different films means that both formats are equal quality is beyond me. It doesn’t make sense.

When someone does it properly, then we can compare. Till then the quality debate is certainly up in the air. Funny thing is, we might never get a perfect comparison.

 

[djkimothy]

....omg, I know A LOT of Quebecers who dont give a crap about the French manuel including me. The first thing I do with the extra manuel(french) is throwing it in the garbage.

So do I. But that's just wasteful packaging. Just give the french manual to the Province that cares. :/

Anyways. I don't care about the bilingualism in Canada. Just that extra manual.

 

[Gattsu25]

About Bay: I liked Bad Boys one...kinda liked Bad Boys two and kinda liked the Rock

I thought the Island, the first third of the movie in particular, was great.

He's not one of my favorite directors out there (the Island is a good example of my primary complaint against him: he's good at setting up an interesting story...but somewhere near the 1/2hr~45min mark he forgets about the story and solely focuses on action sequences) but he does direct and produce movies. I'm pretty sure he'll know a fair bit more than everyone here about what goes on behind the scenes in the industry he works in.

 

[Cosmic Bus]

Anyone here in NY and use free shipping from DeepDiscount? How long does it take for your orders to arrive? It's been 9 days for mine and I'm starting to become impatient.

That's about right. Their free shipping always takes a week to ten days to get to me. If it puts your mind at ease, I've never had anything from DD go missing in transit or take some absurd amount of time; if nothing, they are consistent.

 

[Cosmic Bus]

If anyone wants to give it a try, Best Buy has mispriced the Blu-Ray of Lost: Ssn 3 at $34.99.

 

[Solo]

To most people he's considered one of the top action directors of our time.

Who are these people? Tell me so that I can avoid them.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I'm not a fan of Bay's (and Transformers reminded me why) although I did like The Rock a lot.

But other than reflecting the general opinion of Hollywood, I don't give his comments much weight. As I jokingly said above, he doesn't seem that well informed.

 

[Solo]

Yeah, that whole "Transformers looks better on Blu-Ray!" sort of gives it away.

 

[Captain N]

Anyone who picked up Superbad watch the Pineapple Express scene? I think it looks really good and James Franco looks on top of his game in this bad boy.

IMDB has the story described, but they don't touch anything about the main story in the scene.

IMDB - A stoner (Rogen) and his dealer (Franco) are forced to go on the run from the police after the pothead witnesses a cop commit a murder.

 

[VanMardigan]

When someone does it properly, then we can compare. Till then the quality debate is certainly up in the air. Funny thing is, we might never get a perfect comparison.

So, then, does it really matter? And more to the point, WHO do you think would be able to discern a difference? The issue of PQ is a wash, any way you cut it. It certainly is NOT the differentiator in this format war.

 

[C4Lukins]

BR is kicking all sorts of ass. You guys do not have to reduce yourselves to defending Michael Bay in order to win that point.

 

[Basch]

Don't know if this is old or not but...

High-Def 2.0 Movie Awards are up.

You guys agree?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

BR is kicking all sorts of ass. You guys do not have to reduce yourselves to defending Michael Bay in order to win that point.

Eh? I just said I didn't like his movies and that he's uninformed. Was I supposed to call him ugly, too?