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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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cjdunn

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I'm late to the news and I said, "Wow."

And on the evening that 2001 finally gets delivered. :D

Okay, now seriously Warner, deliver my fucking Blade Runner suitcase! >(
 
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OokieSpookie

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The Main Event said:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/HBO/New_Line/Warner/Warner:_New_Line,_HBO_Not_Covered_By_Blu-ray_Announcement/1328



Kinda surprised by this. But I'm guessing it won't take long before they make their official announcement.

Shoot 'em Up, Hairspray, Rush Hour 3 and Mr. Woodcock are still (were?) scheduled for HD DVD in March/April.
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Can't say that I am very shocked that hddigest rushed to post some damage control so that their forums could keep the red obsessed happy "zomg new line will go hd exclusive I know it!!!"


As far as the New Line releases what magical March /April release list have you been looking at?
 
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Pachinko

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Jebus cripes people, I just wasted 2 hours of my life discussing this with a fellow nerd friend(leidenfrost to you gaffers, he doesn't post anymore) at the same time I tried to catch up on this thread. There were some good posts buried in the last 7 pages but mostly it was regurgitation.


So for those just joining in- Warner has gone bluray exclusive as of may 2008, until may 2008 all of their releases will still come to HDDVD only at a delayed pace. The warner subsidiary companies such as new line are NOT included in this deal but it would make sence that they follow warner's lead soon enough.

As of today it seems unlikely that money actually exchanged hands at all here, it seems it was warner wanting to end the format war as quickly as possible , nothing more.

If nothing else, it's now safe to buy bluray for those sitting on the fence.
 
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SRG01

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MechDX said:
http://formatwarcentral.com/index.php/2008/01/04/warner-swayed-by-500-million-from-the-bda/



IF TRUE and Fox never really ahd any intention of even considering switching its pretty dirty but a typical business move at the same time.
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No way. According to the reliable insiders down at the BR forums (they actually report both sides), there wasn't even anything close to this.

As it has been hinted for about a month, WB has always stated that they would watch the Christmas sales. Their new CEO -- the person who actually brought WB into format neutrality -- came in January 2nd of this year. Whatever cash dealing that is being rumored right now strongly conflicts with reality.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Nicodimas said:
Well if no money did exchange hands I would argue Toshiba still has a chance for a contract. That is why I highly doubt money did not change hands. No contract mean warner could still switch sides.

I am of course grasping...but it would be fucking funny.

Basically they got 620 million, or 8-10 million of disk sells to make it worth it?

Guess disk and player prices wont be going down. I wonder if BoGo will still be happening? Competition would have been better. /sigh
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You keep repeating this. It's not true.
 
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rc213

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The real reason why Warner went blu?
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/04/the-real-reason-why-warner-went-blu/
We knew this wouldn't take long -- just like when Paramount made the switch to HD DVD, rumors are swirling that a sum of $500 Million was involved in the decision to make the switch. The rumor goes on to say that FOX's allegiance to Blu-ray was a factor as well, but when they refused to defect from the blu camp and accepted an undisclosed amount, Warner had no choice because at this point, without another studio going red it would've only put the war into more of a stalemate then it already was. Of course Warner tells the story a little differently and on a recent conference call when asked about any "compensation" Kevin Tsujihara, president, Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group said that it "was not a bidding war" and that it really came down to 4th quarter sales, specifically in the International markets -- then he wanted to know if we had any idea where they could collect the $500 Million. Ultimately, Warner wanted to try and give consumers a reason to get off the fence.

As for the remaining five months, although there will be a delay in the release of Warner HD DVD titles in comparison to the Blu-ray releases, the specifics haven't been worked out just yet, and the decision has also not been made to stop production of current HD DVD titles -- but the retailers will have a say in that one. We closed the call with the most pertinent question of all, "where's the Matrix on Blu-ray?" to which the answer was, as soon as they work out the details of BD Java and PIP.
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Wow, Just read the news! WOW!
 
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OokieSpookie

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Ignatz Mouse said:
You keep repeating this. It's not true.
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You sound shocked.
You will see legendary concoctions throw out there by the red obsessed as to why this is a bad idea and why red is better off than ever.
 
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Nicodimas

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You keep repeating this. It's not true.
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Its business. What incintive is there to lower MSRP quicker now? Less competiton very soon. Players will lower, but I don't expect to see a $100 blu ray player this year. If hd-dvd were competition this might have happened.
 
Christopher

Christopher

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Nicodimas said:
Its business. What incintive is there to lower MSRP quicker now? Less competiton very soon. Players will lower, but I don't expect to see a $100 blu ray player this year. If hd-dvd were competition this might have happened.
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How is it less competition? Doesn't blu-ray want to be the DVD successor? I'm sure low price players and media will be the answer to take a piece of the DVD pie.

Graspinggggggg for straws are we?
 
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OokieSpookie

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Nicodimas said:
Its business. What incintive is there to lower MSRP quicker now? Less competiton very soon. Players will lower, but I don't expect to see a $100 blu ray player this year. If hd-dvd were competition this might have happened.
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As has been said and seemingly ignored, blu will move on to competing against dvd which will be a long battle.
I do not expect to see a $100 blu player either, hell there should not have even been a $100 hd player yet but Toshiba's desperation forced that.
DO you see how that worked out for them?
 
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twinturbo2

butthurt Heat fan
Warner going Blu-Ray only? I would say +1 reason to get a PS3, but the remote uses Bluetooth, not infared. Is there a universal remote that can work with the PS3 without an infared dongle?
 
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TheDuce22

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What Warner did was really smart. They made as much as they could on the doomed format while holding back the bluray stuff. Now they collect a huge contract for bringing their movies exclusively to the format that would have won eventually anyway.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Nicodimas said:
Its business. What incintive is there to lower MSRP quicker now? Less competiton very soon. Players will lower, but I don't expect to see a $100 blu ray player this year. If hd-dvd were competition this might have happened.
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What was the incentive to lower DVD player prices as fast as they dropped? It sure wasn't DiVX.

I followed that intro closely. This has already shown similar patterns. Player prices drop because there's a desire to reach mass market levels.

I don't expect to see a $100 player this year, but that was never realistic. $100 HD-DVD players weren't even sustainably realistic. They were loss-leaders.


Take a cue from Van, Kolgar, Sith, and other Red Regulars on how to respond graciously. Trumping up a new batch of Woe 'n' Fud is not it.
 
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SRG01

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My God the FUD is starting! Are people this emotionally attached to their format to not recognize that HD-DVD had the pants beaten out of them for the entire year?

Engadget is pro-HDDVD by the way.
 
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Raistlin

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Nicodimas said:
Well if no money did exchange hands I would argue Toshiba still has a chance for a contract. That is why I highly doubt money did not change hands. No contract mean warner could still switch sides.

I am of course grasping...but it would be fucking funny.

Basically they got 620 million, or 8-10 million of disk sells to make it worth it?

Guess disk and player prices wont be going down. I wonder if BoGo will still be happening? Competition would have been better. /sigh
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Yes ... Warner is just completely bullshitting their long-term outlook for HDM.


Their acknowledged reasoning has absolutely no effect on their choosing sides, nor on their stockholders :/
 
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SRG01

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twinturbo2 said:
Warner going Blu-Ray only? I would say +1 reason to get a PS3, but the remote uses Bluetooth, not infared. Is there a universal remote that can work with the PS3 without an infared dongle?
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Unfortunately no. Unless there are dual BT/IR remotes out there, you'd have to go with a seperate BT remote.
 
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OokieSpookie

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SRG01 said:
My God the FUD is starting! Are people this emotionally attached to their format to not recognize that HD-DVD had the pants beaten out of them for the entire year?

Engadget is pro-HDDVD by the way.
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Excessively true.
 
Phoenix

Phoenix

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Battlezone said:
Yep, I'm sitting in Microsoft's booth right now. It's not nearly as exciting as you might think.

Edit: The Surface stuff gets loaded in tomorrow, so I'm excited to get to play around with that.
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Nice. I am flying in on Monday morning - staying at The Venetian. We should hook up.
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

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http://wesleytech.com/

I just received an email from the HD DVD Promotion Group stating that the CES 2008 HD DVD press event has been canceled. The recent Blu-ray exclusive announcement from Warner is cited as the reason for the event being canceled.

Based on the timing of the Warner Home Video announcement today, we have decided to postpone our CES 2008 press conference scheduled for Sunday, January 6th at 8:30 p.m. in the Wynn Hotel. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

We are currently discussing the potential impact of this announcement with the other HD DVD partner companies and evaluating next steps. We believe the consumer continues to benefit from HD DVD’s commitment to quality and affordability – a bar that is critical for the mainstream success of any format.

We’ll continue to keep you updated on new developments around HD DVD.
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Ouch.
 
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Mifune

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DarkJediKnight said:
And I'm the CEO the MGM. :lol That article is full of shit! Someone is trying to garner some hits to their site.
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Dude, you don't understand.

Kimmy from Toshiba called Danny from WB and asked him to come over to her side. Danny wanted to check with his bud Brian over at Fox, told him the deal...Kimmy is hot and she wants them over at the HD-DVD hotel pronto. And oh yes, she's gonna pay them for it. Brian's too busy watching Die Hard and is like, nah you go on without me. Danny fought with Brian in the first Gulf War so they are best friends. He breaks the news to Kimmy...if Brian doesn't go, neither does he. Kimmy is heartbroken. She pauses her Peter Bjorn and John cd and calls up Danny and is like what the F. It's gonna be a great party and you're ruining everything and I hate you. Danny agrees to go if she will show her cans. Kimmy is horrified and tells Danny she never wants to speak to him again. Oh and fuck Brian too.

Deal falls through. THE END.
 
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Raistlin

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rc213 said:
The real reason why Warner went blu?
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/04/the-real-reason-why-warner-went-blu/



Wow, Just read the news! WOW!
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That's what a lot of people here conveniently forget. The gap between BluRay and HD DVD is even bigger in Europe than the US. In other regions ... its more like the grand canyon.


When Warner then looked at even US sales for Christmas ... exactly what where they expected to do if the mantra of using that info to potentially move one way or the other was indeed true?
 
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SRG01

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Mifune said:
Dude, you don't understand.

Kimmy from Toshiba called Danny from WB and asked him to come over to her side. Danny wanted to check with his bud Brian over at Fox, told him the deal...Kimmy is hot and she wants them over at the HD-DVD hotel pronto. And oh yes, she's gonna pay them for it. Brian's too busy watching Die Hard and is like, nah you go on without me. Danny fought with Brian in the first Gulf War so they are best friends. He breaks the news to Kimmy...if Brian doesn't go, neither does he. Kimmy is heartbroken. She pauses her Peter Bjorn and John cd and calls up Danny and is like what the F. It's gonna be a great party and you're ruining everything and I hate you. Danny agrees to go if she will show her cans. Kimmy is horrified and tells Danny she never wants to speak to him again. Oh and fuck Brian too.

Deal falls through. THE END.
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:lol :lol :lol This post is now bookmarked :lol
 
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Pristine_Condition

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The Main Event said:
Though it's widely expected that Warner Bros. subsidiaries New Line and HBO will follow Warner Home Entertainment to Blu-ray exclusivity, for the moment they remain format-agnostic.

That's according to Warner Home Entertainment President Kevin Tsujihara, who said that the studio's announcement that it would drop HD DVD support does not extend to titles released by New Line, HBO or the BBC (which Warner distributes here in the US).

"They'll be making whatever decision they're going to make," said Tsujihara. "I assume they'll let people know very quickly, but they are not covered by this initial announcement."

Tsujihara's comments came in a post-announcement conference call with various members of the media, including High-Def Digest.

Stay tuned for more news from the Warner conference call...
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http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/HBO/New_Line/Warner/Warner:_New_Line,_HBO_Not_Covered_By_Blu-ray_Announcement/1328



Kinda surprised by this. But I'm guessing it won't take long before they make their official announcement.

Shoot 'em Up, Hairspray, Rush Hour 3 and Mr. Woodcock are still (were?) scheduled for HD DVD in March/April.
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I suspect you are right. I'm pretty sure the New Line and HBO announcements are forthcoming.

It makes sense for them to cascade the announcements. Instead of one huge PR announcement, the Blu-ray Disc Association and their new partners get to make three announcements, which keeps the whole thing in the news that much longer.

Good move on their part, if that's the way it goes down. Good catch, Main Event.
 
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avaya

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Mifune said:
Dude, you don't understand.

Kimmy from Toshiba called Danny from WB and asked him to come over to her side. Danny wanted to check with his bud Brian over at Fox, told him the deal...Kimmy is hot and she wants them over at the HD-DVD hotel pronto. And oh yes, she's gonna pay them for it. Brian's too busy watching Die Hard and is like, nah you go on without me. Danny fought with Brian in the first Gulf War so they are best friends. He breaks the news to Kimmy...if Brian doesn't go, neither does he. Kimmy is heartbroken. She pauses her Peter Bjorn and John cd and calls up Danny and is like what the F. It's gonna be a great party and you're ruining everything and I hate you. Danny agrees to go if she will show her cans. Kimmy is horrified and tells Danny she never wants to speak to him again. Oh and fuck Brian too.

Deal falls through. THE END.
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:lol :lol :lol
 
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markom58

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Officially purple :D or is it just blu? It was between Sony BR + 5 movies vs PS3...ultimately went PS3, I can at least get the exclusive PS3 games to get more bang for the buck. Although the 5 in store deal was pretty tempting (Best Buy). Keeping my small collection of HD DVDs though and the 360 add on. Paramount and Universal the rest of the year should let the add on have some playtime. Bought Casino Royale as well as I dont want my first BD experience to be Spiderman 3 :D
 
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Raistlin

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Nicodimas said:
Its business. What incintive is there to lower MSRP quicker now? Less competiton very soon. Players will lower, but I don't expect to see a $100 blu ray player this year. If hd-dvd were competition this might have happened.
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What incentive was there for DVD?


Oh I remember, actual HW competition (as NONE has existed on HD DVD - just Toshiba subsidizing, which they couldn't do indefinitely) ... as well as direct studio competition.

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SRG01

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Pristine_Condition said:
I suspect you are right. I'm pretty sure the New Line and HBO announcements are forthcoming.

It makes sense for them to cascade the announcements. Instead of one huge PR announcement, the Blu-ray Disc Association and their new partners get to make three announcements, which keeps the whole thing in the news that much longer.

Good move on their part, if that's the way it goes down. Good catch, Main Event.
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Well, here's a question: does New Line distribute their own stuff, or do they have to go through Warner?
 
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Snah

Banned
The Main Event said:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/HBO/New_Line/Warner/Warner:_New_Line,_HBO_Not_Covered_By_Blu-ray_Announcement/1328



Kinda surprised by this. But I'm guessing it won't take long before they make their official announcement.

Shoot 'em Up, Hairspray, Rush Hour 3 and Mr. Woodcock are still (were?) scheduled for HD DVD in March/April.
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New Line will have to start making new transfers, if they truly intend on supporting HD-DVD.

Shoot 'em Up was confirmed technically impossible on HD-DVD due to the bitrate.
 
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Wollan

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Mifune said:
Dude, you don't understand.

Kimmy from Toshiba called Danny from WB and asked him to come over to her side. Danny wanted to check with his bud Brian over at Fox, told him the deal...Kimmy is hot and she wants them over at the HD-DVD hotel pronto. And oh yes, she's gonna pay them for it. Brian's too busy watching Die Hard and is like, nah you go on without me. Danny fought with Brian in the first Gulf War so they are best friends. He breaks the news to Kimmy...if Brian doesn't go, neither does he. Kimmy is heartbroken. She pauses her Peter Bjorn and John cd and calls up Danny and is like what the F. It's gonna be a great party and you're ruining everything and I hate you. Danny agrees to go if she will show her cans. Kimmy is horrified and tells Danny she never wants to speak to him again. Oh and fuck Brian too.

Deal falls through. THE END.
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Awesome.
 
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Shig

Strap on your hooker ...
Ugh. I've known for a while that Blu-ray winning was a foregone conclusion, but I was weak when the holiday HD-DVD player sales kicked in.

stupid stupid stupid stupid...
 
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Pristine_Condition

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“Based on the timing of the Warner Home Video announcement today, we have decided to postpone our CES 2008 press conference scheduled for Sunday, January 6th at 8:30 p.m. in the Wynn Hotel. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

We are currently discussing the potential impact of this announcement with the other HD DVD partner companies and evaluating next steps. We believe the consumer continues to benefit from HD DVD’s commitment to quality and affordability – a bar that is critical for the mainstream success of any format.

We’ll continue to keep you updated on new developments around HD DVD.”
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Man, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in those discussions...
 
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VictimOfGrief

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Hey Blu-Ray owners... how the fuck would you feel if you spent $400 bucks on a player and hundreds of dollars on movies and I told you Warner, Fox & Disney were going HD DVD today?

Seriously. Comments about which either is better or which ever has more movies... who the fuck cares..... At the end of the day it's about High Def movies that MOVIE LOVERS WANT TO WATCH IN HIGH FUCKING DEF.

Now the "Red" crowd is left scratching their head on what they can do with their players and movies.

If you were in the same god damn boat I would bet money we'd be making the same snide comments that everyone is making toward HD DVD owners. So seriously..... lay off.
 
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twinturbo2

butthurt Heat fan
Nobody answered my question. Are there any universial remotes that work with the PS3 without a dongle? And if not, what are some good ones anyway that work with the PS3?
 
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