Opus Angelorum
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Zaptruder said:
Not worth it.
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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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Not worth it.
If the rumor is true that Tosh is making a play to essentially force CE companies produce all their HD players in dual-format... I'd rather they didn't. I don't see this as anything but a hamper to the adoption of HDM.
Meanwhile, I'm as glad as ever to be dual format here. Who knows how long before this all plays out.
Meanwhile, I'm as glad as ever to be dual format here. Who knows how long before this all plays out.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
mrklaw said:
I didn't watch Edward Scissorhands at the cinema. It's not a big deal, just a little quirk to older movies that you can see a lot of the defects in HD. What's your problem?
Cheesemeister
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Warm Machine
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Forsete said:
Yeah, thats the whole point of the war, finding royalty heaven. Toshiba is a massive company with an incredible bankroll. The HD-DVD loss is probably nothing in the grand scheme. Hell, why do you think every year Sony invents another format for something?
Making all future players dual would be nice and probably wouldn't cost very much in actual physical parts. The pieces that drive one format or the other are essentially the same. What we are seeing on that front is a price gouge not anything that equates to the effort and actual costs.
The problem is that it isn't a viable way of going due to how the scales have tipped. If we were in 50/50 land it would make sense. Consumers could buy whatever disc they wanted and it would just play. Reality is that BR is leading and Sony needs not to help support as it has become a self fullfilling prophecy at this point.
Forsete
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Warm Machine said:
Yeah I get thats the point, but do the royalties they make of DVD this year really cover the payoff for Paramount and whatever millions they are loosing on the players and movie deals? That was my question.
Sony does not usually bleed out of their ass when they launch a new format from what I recall, unlike Toshiba here with HD-DVD.
But yeah, in the large picture whatever loss they take now will mean nothing once said format becomes standard, I'm afraid Toshi is out of luck there.
Sony's been losing money from the ps3 for a long time now:
http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/10/sony-playstatio.html
This quater will be there first one of proft as they finally got the cost down..Sony needed blu-ray to suceed.
Toshiba took far less of a loss because the infrastucture already existed for Hd-dvd
http://www.forbes.com/2007/10/29/toshiba-2q-earnings-markets-equity-cx_vk_1029markets9.html
http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/10/sony-playstatio.html
This quater will be there first one of proft as they finally got the cost down..Sony needed blu-ray to suceed.
Toshiba took far less of a loss because the infrastucture already existed for Hd-dvd
http://www.forbes.com/2007/10/29/toshiba-2q-earnings-markets-equity-cx_vk_1029markets9.html
Forsete
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Nicodimas said:
Yes but that is PS3, the stand alone players seem to be selling at a profit.
PS3s loss cant be entirely connected to Blu-Ray as PS2 and PSP were also sold at a loss in the beginning. Then again BD would be a lot less successful if it werent for PS3, so tricky business. :lol
OokieSpookie
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Nicodimas said:
It doesn't matter about their infrastructure, they put themselves in the hole with the 98$ walmart sale as well as money hatting Paramount. They were counting on the sales of the players after to cover the losses which will never happen now.
They are eating a loss on every player that they sell right now and will continue to do so.
Ps3 took a loss, but had the PS2 which is all profit at this point and the psp to carry it.
Also every single stand alone blu player made profit for its manufacturer.
Toshiba has other areas to help cover the losses but not even close to the resources as Sony and others.
Also Sony knew they would be eating a loss on the PS3 and accounted for it, Toshiba had no way of knowing.
Nicodimas said:
He won't have to.
Sony has ~$70bn in sales.
>66% is SEL
10% is SPE
10% is SCEI.
Sony has more resources than Toshiba. Add Matsushita who are bigger than both and this is not a contest. You can't exclude Matshushita from this because they have the most patents in Blu-ray.
OokieSpookie
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StoOgE said:
I do not care if the Pope himself came down in his funny little car and told me , I still will never believe that Walmart ate $100 per A2 sold.
It is not even a remote possibility.
centracore
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I finally got around to picking up Planet Earth on blu-ray and I have to say that it definitely delivers - this is something that needs to be seen in high definition to be truly appreciated. Can't wait to watch more of it now...
Nicodimas said:
Sony as a company are expected to make more than $3 billion profit this year, that is including PS3 losses. Their electrnics divsion alone will make over a billion profit.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ae?s=SNE
The Main Event
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HD DVD:
http://www.hddvdboxsets.com/
Blu-ray:
http://www.blu-rayboxsets.com/
They have amazing prices on some stuff. Shipping to Canada is extremely expensive though.
http://www.hddvdboxsets.com/
Blu-ray:
http://www.blu-rayboxsets.com/
They have amazing prices on some stuff. Shipping to Canada is extremely expensive though.
Marty Chinn
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The Main Event said:
Whoa, how legit are those sites?
The Main Event
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RB Films Drops HD-DVD Support because of HD-DVD AVS Forum posters (yes, seriously)
http://formatwarcentral.com/index.php/2008/01/20/rb-films-to-exclude-hd-dvd-for-future-releases/
:lol :lol :lol
If I recall this guy did get lam-basted on the AVS boards. He was adimant about doing two separate encodes of his films to maximize their bitrate on both platforms. Lots of the HD-DVD fans took offense at him saying that Blu-ray offered more, and thus looked better.
http://formatwarcentral.com/index.php/2008/01/20/rb-films-to-exclude-hd-dvd-for-future-releases/
:lol :lol :lol
If I recall this guy did get lam-basted on the AVS boards. He was adimant about doing two separate encodes of his films to maximize their bitrate on both platforms. Lots of the HD-DVD fans took offense at him saying that Blu-ray offered more, and thus looked better.
polyh3dron
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This is fucking gold... Over at HDD some guys are still saying that this guy was just a pompous prick and good riddance and all that.
polyh3dron said:
He got into arguments because he was very vocal that he thought Blu-ray offered a better experience due to the bitrates it was able to hit compared to HD DVD. I stopped visiting AVS so I'm not sure if he turned into a basket case or not.
A link to a thread of his, where he trys to explain how much he cares about quality:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=924286&highlight=rbfilms
RDJam (HDNOW) trolled him :lol
One other thing, I think this guy labeled one of his releases as 1080i on HD-DVD, but it was infact 1080p. He did so because there were no HD-DVD players on the market that outputted 1080p :lol
Dot50Cal said:
Its funny ... I (and others) have always maintained that this was indeed the case, and that the reason we haven't seen much evidence was due to companies not really pushing the format. Obviously, we were attacked for this notion.
Then we get a boutique film company who's priority is to get the highest quality A/V ... who has actually experimented on doing high bit-rate transfers ... and they state the same thing. And guess what happens? Even they are attacked :lol
Seriously ... some people just can't face reality.
OokieSpookie
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Dot50Cal said:
1080p DOESN'T MATTER, IT IS BLU FUD!!!
Zombie James
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OokieSpookie said:
:|
OokieSpookie
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_leech_ said:
Well...that is what I heard anyway
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
markom58 said:Nice 2 week long vacation and I havent kept up. Whats the word on Universal and Paramount?
Paramount could be any time,
No announcement expected from Universal until February.
We may not hear from either until May when Warner officially drops support.
Both have carefully worded their PR statements, and avoided flat out saying that they will not support blu-ray. Rather they have been saying that they will "Continue to support HD-DVD"
Cosmic Bus
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M3wThr33 said:
There are millions of 720p/1080i HDTVs out there, and not releasing a lower-priced line of 1080i players is one of the biggest mistakes the Blu-Ray camp is making. Instead, there will be plenty of people (myself included) who are going to be waiting for a year... two years? for a decently priced stand-alone that isn't an outmoded doorstop.
Ignatz Mouse
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teiresias said:
Oof!
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