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High-Res Stills from ROTK: EE (56k jump in the Cracks of Doom)
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Mr Gump said:
The Mouth of Sauron is somone sent by Sauron himself to bring news of Frodo's death to his companions when they reached the Black Gates. Basically he walks out shows them the mythril coat and some of Frodo's other belongings as proof that Frodo is dead. This would explain the "For Frodo!" charge before the final battle.
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/m/mouthofsauron.html
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/m/mouthofsauron.html
Oh, and Faramir looks quite sexy in that one shot at the Houses of Healing.
Spike Spiegel
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Last time I went to Wal-Mart, I saw a RotK action figure set that included the Mouth of Sauron.
Mama Smurf
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I was so disappointed in ROTK, hopefully the EE will address a good number of my complaints.
FOTR is an absolute masterpiece though.
FOTR is an absolute masterpiece though.
LinesInTheSand
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Nice :rock ROTK and FOTR stand as two of the best movies of all time. TTT has lost a lot of it's appeal already though IMO.
For the past couple years I thought I was alone in this sentiment. Every time I mentioned I loved FOTR and finding TTT or ROTK being lackluster I'd get bitched out for being an elitist prick or over analyzing things with rose-tinted glasses. I don't think that's the case at all, but I'd also concede that TTT and ROTK were clearly the harder portions of the series to adapt.jett said:
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
It would have been much fucking easier if they hadn't moved the perfect ending of TTT into an already packed ROTK, so they could fit in a sequence that was not only not needed, but was the very opposite of what happens in the books.
I just...you know, I'm almost left speechless at the whole thing, still. It's beyond me what made them move that ending, it's not like TTT was that exciting a book anyway, relatively it had the least interesting stuff to include. I cannot get my head round the decision.
I just...you know, I'm almost left speechless at the whole thing, still. It's beyond me what made them move that ending, it's not like TTT was that exciting a book anyway, relatively it had the least interesting stuff to include. I cannot get my head round the decision.
Mama Smurf said:
Because there's not much to work with in the third book, which is by far the smaller
I mean you can't spend 30 mins on frodo and sam walking over the plains? now can you?
As for TTT's ending, it's utter trash, Faramir was never a clone of boromir, and that's just what Jackson did. I almost wanted to leave the theater when I saw that crap
Mama Smurf
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Fularu said:
I'm guessing you mean second, rather than third. And yes.
Mama Smurf said:
I disagree, the second book is filled to the brim, with many key events happening all over the place
Fact is, he could have used more stuff, like saruman's confrontation, the fall of isengard, the Taming of smeagol, Merry and Pippin's time with the orcs. Instead he made a long, and almost boring battle at helm's deep taking almost a third of the movie, made frodo travel all the way back to OSgiliath, turned faramir into a mindless nut trying to get back his father by giving him the ring of power. The movie was so ficked up in so many ways that it wasn't even funny
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Ok, the rest of your post is confusing if you mean second, but ok.
I realise that like the other books there's a lot of stuff, I just didn't find much of it that interesting and as I know things have to be cut going from book to film, I'd rather it was that than other things.
Still, if he'd cut Helm's Deep down and not made Faramir take Frodo back to Osgiliath, I think there would have been time to include some of your things and the books real ending, which would have made us both happy.
I realise that like the other books there's a lot of stuff, I just didn't find much of it that interesting and as I know things have to be cut going from book to film, I'd rather it was that than other things.
Still, if he'd cut Helm's Deep down and not made Faramir take Frodo back to Osgiliath, I think there would have been time to include some of your things and the books real ending, which would have made us both happy.
Naked Snake
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Add one more vote for FOTR being MUCH MUCH better than the sequels. I've been saying that since TTT came out and disappointed me like no other sequel has. ROTK was better, but still no match to the first one, looking forward to the EE.
Fellowship of the Ring EE is simply perfect.
Fellowship of the Ring EE is simply perfect.
Naked Snake
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DarthWoo said:
Yeah I just preordered it with Share the Love, I'm waiting to recieve a Share the Love discount for the gift set... I'll keep both orders until just before release then cancel one of them based on my budget, hopefully I'll keep the gift set
adelgary said:Yeah I just preordered it with Share the Love, I'm waiting to recieve a Share the Love discount for the gift set... I'll keep both orders until just before release then cancel one of them based on my budget, hopefully I'll keep the gift set
Do you use the DVDTalk STL system? You can probably get a discount pretty quick if you sign up and stick your address onto the list for that item.
Deepthroat said:Pre-ordered it today
I think ROTK has one of the worst lines ever.
When Eowyn kills the Nazgûl. " I'm not a man , I'm a woman"... Haha... so pathetic. Destoyed the whole movie IMO. Hopefully EE will forgive that by including some nice things.
If she had said it like that, yes, it would have been pathetic. You do realize, however, that the scene is taken pretty much from the books, and the line is a much shorter, "I am no man."
ManaByte
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Deepthroat said:Pre-ordered it today
I think ROTK has one of the worst lines ever.
When Eowyn kills the Nazgûl. " I'm not a man , I'm a woman"... Haha... so pathetic. Destoyed the whole movie IMO. Hopefully EE will forgive that by including some nice things.
One, you (like so many other ROTK bashers here) get the line completely wrong. It is simply "I AM NO MAN", not "I AM A WOMAN BITCH!". Two, if you paid attention you would've heard the description of the Witch King. "No mortal man can kill". Melkor/Morgoth and Sauron never thought a mortal woman would try to kill the leader of the Nazgul.
Eowyn, as Dernhelm, versus the Witch King is one of the best parts of the book and one of the best parts of the movie.
Naked Snake
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DarthWoo said:
No I didn't know about that one, I'm on www.animeondvd.com STL list, but I almost don't buy any anime these days, and I'd probably benifit much more from DVDTalk's system, I'll switch soon. Thanks.
Yeah, it's pretty good. The only thing you have to remember is to take yourself OFF the list after you get a discount and order the thing, otherwise, assuming a very popular item (like the SW Trilogy), you'll have an inbox full of discount messages.
Naked Snake
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I don't get any emails for the discounts, but I still get new discounts when I access my STL list in my Amazon account, I think you can turn off email notification and still recieve the discounts.
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ManaByte said:
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I cannot believe there are people bashing the scene. I remember getting to it the books and it literally gave me tingles and I teared up reading it. The movie pulls off the emotion even moreso knowing that Eowyn has spent so much time taking a backseat to things, being forced to assume the role of a frail typical woman, only because the men around her do not let her choose to be otherwise. When she finally does the get her time shine and prove that she is worthy, and by defeating the Witch King makes it even better. Eowyn is simply an incredible character in the movies in terms of inner emotion. I certainly think she is one of the better changes from the book to the movie and one of the strongest characters in the films.
The only problem I had, was that Dernhelm's disguise was ruined early on in the film. Though I know it would have been impossible to move around that, it was just a tad disappointing when the book, while i thints at it, does a great job of keeping it a secret and you really do feel that surprise and overbearing of emotion when reading it. Again though, would have been impossible to portray in the film.
Anyways, I'm not one who likes picking apart strong trilogies. When each movie is a very good movie, I don't like sitting around nitpicking at which is better, it's silly. They're all part of an entire story and should be watched like that, and viewed like that in my eyes. I think because it is broken up, people feel nearly obligated to, but I look at it as LOTR and FOTR, TTT, and ROTK. Just I view Star Wars as "Star Wars" and not ANH, ESB, ROTJ, TPM, AOTC, and ROTS. It's all one huge story to me basically.
I have no problem with the line, but I do have a problem with lame, arbitrary plot devices that conveniently benefit the 'good guys' at the best times. Such things plagued the hell out of TTT and ROTK, another being when Aragorn suddenly finds himself right outside the damned cave with the ghost army and suddenly has the sword he needs to recruit them. Agent Smith basically walked in and went, "hey, we've got you in a tough spot, so here's a superweapon to help you win." I know fantasy involves a lot of prophecy and arbitrary stuff all the time, but these movies went so much overboard with it. I loved all the books when I was a kid, but this stuff doesn't cut it for me now.ManaByte said:
Yes, it improves a couple things, but the movie still has tons of problems, not the least of which is the simple way Jackson chose to handle all three storylines. There's no excuse for chopping up Helm's Deep so shittily so as to actually reduce suspense rather than heighten it. No one wants to go from watching what should be an intense battle to watching some fucking poor CGI trees talk real slowly.TheDuce22 said:
Well, keep in mind that Narsil/Anduril (the sword) is really symbolic for Aragorn accepting his role as King. Something that you are introduced to right in the first film. (The sword is in the first film as well, of course). The swords power over the Dead and him leading them further ties in to this symbolism.Dan said:
The reason he recieved it right then was because of Arwen's vision and her convincing Elrond. I'm not crazy about how The Dead worked in ROTK either, but these are things to keep in mind.
I doDan said:
But I realize I am one of the few people who likes the manner in which it plays out. (And I'm also an Ent-fanboy I really don't see why so many people dislike them though, I find them so creative, interesting and charming.)Yeah, I know that the sword was mentioned and the 'symbolism', if it can even be called that considering it was pretty literal. It was just way too convenient and solely benefited Aragorn at the right time. There was no risk, not even any real effort needed to get it done. He shows up with a sword and this long-dormant massive army of ghost soldiers falls into line and saves the day. It was just lame and a very anti-climactic resolution to the battle. It wasn't won by some strategy or great risk or anything. Some invincible warriors ride in and conquer everyone.MrCheez said:
I agree to a certain extent when it comes to the concept, but they're not executed well on film. These slow, sluggish creatures waxing isolationist philosophy in the middle of two far more interesting storylines. Meh. Maybe if they had something interesting to discuss, but it wasn't. They were just boring, and the shots of Merry and Pippen riding Treebeard... they were just so jarring their awful blue/green screen work.But I realize I am one of the few people who likes the manner in which it plays out. (And I'm also an Ent-fanboy
If you're going to complain about the Dead, the most annoying thing about them is that, ir I remember correctly, they never actually participated in the Battle of the Pellenor Fields. They just helped Aragorn clear the Corsairs' ships, while it was mainly Rangers who came off the ships to fight when they docked.
ManaByte said:
I still think thats weak. So everytime they mention MAN being greedy and shallow (at the begining of FOTR) they only ment man, and not mankind as a whole?
I though ROTK was the best of the trilogy, it was a fun movie. I havent read the books so i cant appreciate the trilogy as much as you guys (god the end of ROTK was boring the shit out of me, Frodo, Bilbo BS) but as a fan of movies i didnt like it, it almost ruined the movie IMO.
I would have thought with all the clever twists and explanations i was expecting a far better conclusion to the fight rather an obvious one. Felt like girl power
Edit: I still dont know why the ring is so powerful, and why it didnt give Frodo any powers apart from being invisible. Does the same happen to the original owner of the ring? (dont know his name) Does it turn him into a physical being?
As I said above I'm not crazy about how the Dead worked either, but I don't think it brings the movie down. I don't see it as killing tension, since the battle rages for quite awhile before they show up, and the "Tide" is already turned to the heroes favor before they show up.
As for the Ents in Two Towers... the bluescreen work never bothered me and I never found them boring. *shrug* IMO every single line of Treebeard's lines is classic, and the fact that he is so un-hastey in his deliveries is an endearing part of his character. Merry and Pippin's reactions and concerns in these scenes were also done quite well I thought (the "There won't BE a Shire, Pippin" scene and such).
So you had (what I found to be) the interesting Ent scenes, cut with the intense battle. When I watch the movie I find myself enjoying both "plots" and cutting back and forth between them never bothered me. Again though, I can see how it bothered some... but now you know what my vote is.
As for the Ents in Two Towers... the bluescreen work never bothered me and I never found them boring. *shrug* IMO every single line of Treebeard's lines is classic, and the fact that he is so un-hastey in his deliveries is an endearing part of his character. Merry and Pippin's reactions and concerns in these scenes were also done quite well I thought (the "There won't BE a Shire, Pippin" scene and such).
So you had (what I found to be) the interesting Ent scenes, cut with the intense battle. When I watch the movie I find myself enjoying both "plots" and cutting back and forth between them never bothered me. Again though, I can see how it bothered some... but now you know what my vote is.
DeadStar said:
Indeed, I've watched the EE of FOTR, and quite honestly I'd take the theatrical version. FOTR didn't need anything, I only *liked* a couple of the added scenes, most of them were just useless. It was perfect as it was originally cut.
TTT on the other hand has severe pacing and editing problems...that and the fact that Peter Jackson can't direct massive battles scenes worth shit. Helm's deep was just boring. It was a mistake to give so much importance to it, the whole movie leads up this huge, uninteresting event. I would rather have more character development. Anything, really, but that.
ROTK suffers from the same problems.
Prine said:
- When they say "man" they usually refer to all humans, but this situation was a little different. Few things to consider...
Technically how do we know the Witch King is really invincible? "The one they say no living man can kill..." and "No man can kill me..." are prophecies and legend, not fact. You can either assume the prophecies are true and that he was only defeated because of the combined effort of a woman and a Hobbit (one is not of the male gender, one not of the race of men) or you can assume the prophecies were just legend. Also, in the book, the sword Merry stabs the Witch King with is enchanted. (Just some background info)
I don't mind Eowyn showing some girl power, as she never flaunts it. She is doing what she does out of her intense love for her people - not to just kick ass. And the only reason she flaunts it here is in direct response to the Witch King's "No man can kill me".
- It isn't so much turning Frodo invisible as it's kind of "placing" him in a different realm. The reason it's powerful varies... the reason it's considered powerful in itself is because of its power to corrupt almost anyone - even noble peeps who would normally never succumb to greed. (The fact that it makes everyone think "OMG I'D BE UBER WITH THIS" doesn't necessarily mean it can do that for them) The reason it's powerful to its original creator... well... He put part of himself into it so that even if he was killed, he could live on through it. Since he WAS 'killed', bringing the ring back to his "spirit" would have given him physical form and power once again. (But it took many many years for his spirit to... uh... "grow" enough for this to work. In the beginning of FOTR you see the effects of Sauron having gained power again over time)
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