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Hillary Clinton, "presented" with "signs" of "vote hacking", "is mulling" recounts.
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Deleted member 17706
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But it's overwhelmingly not the choice of America, so that argument doesn't fly.
It was the choice of around 100,000 people in a few key counties in swing states that will be giving Trump the presidency of the electoral college abides.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
And to think that before the election we all having joyous cheer imagining what kind of petulant whining the Trump camp would make when they inevitably lose the election.
broncobuster
Banned
Because it's not just about getting Hillary elected. If there are signs the election was tampered with, it's worth investigating for what it means in the big picture. It won't suddenly resolve itself by the next election.
davai davai
Lol, there's another video that's even more hilarious. Two people standing in front of the ballot box while another just stuffs the shit out of it with ballots.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
So the reason people are not demanding an audit in California, which has by far the most votes of any state, is...
You should have just edited the title appropriately then. I would have been the first to admit the title was subpar.
FireBeaver
Banned
It's not gonna happen.
To those saying : Just do it! Google Scott walker recall. Dems tried to get a terrible governor removed, it didn't work and made him more popular despite running Michigan into the ground. We could blow any shot at 2018 if we do this and find nothing.
Unless they have some actual evidence besides some squirrely polls.
Unless they have some actual evidence besides some squirrely polls.
Wisconsin, not Michigan
broncobuster
Banned
The title of the article is "Activists Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States." They have their objective. True. But the result of possible investigations don't merely serve that one objective.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Criticizes Trump for saying he might not accept election results - Cheers when election results are not accepted and no concession speech is given (until the next day).
Criticizes Trump for suggesting the election is rigged, using flimsy evidence - Takes seriously a claim that the election was rigged based on flimsy evidence.
Politics, woo.
Criticizes Trump for suggesting the election is rigged, using flimsy evidence - Takes seriously a claim that the election was rigged based on flimsy evidence.
Politics, woo.
Superkamikaze
Member
Tonight at 11.
Nope.
Needs to be done. What harm could this possibly do? The same harm that the protests did? That same harm that talking about Clintons' popular vote lead is 1.7 Million at this point?
Who cares about unity. If the election was rigged it was rigged and it should be looked into. 4 years of Trump is enough harm to this country, and not trying anything and everything to fight back against it is more liberals being pussies and letting people walk all over them.
What's right is right. And at the very LEAST look into it. Maybe you don't find anything then move on.
Who cares about unity. If the election was rigged it was rigged and it should be looked into. 4 years of Trump is enough harm to this country, and not trying anything and everything to fight back against it is more liberals being pussies and letting people walk all over them.
What's right is right. And at the very LEAST look into it. Maybe you don't find anything then move on.
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thepotatoman
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The thing that's been making me suspicious is the polls really got everything pretty correct outside of FL, NC, PA, MI, WI, OH, and IA, who also happen to all be republican run states that have come under fire in the past for having the most easily hacked machines.
It's also odd that hillary can win the national vote by 2 percentage points and still lose the tipping point state by 1.2 points. That really has never happened before. In 2000, it way closer, and understandable that one huge state going slightly against you would lose you the Electoral College, but this screwing of EC votes is something else.
For now I'll trust it, but I certainly want to verify.
It's also odd that hillary can win the national vote by 2 percentage points and still lose the tipping point state by 1.2 points. That really has never happened before. In 2000, it way closer, and understandable that one huge state going slightly against you would lose you the Electoral College, but this screwing of EC votes is something else.
For now I'll trust it, but I certainly want to verify.
Scofield94941
Member
Voter supression is a real thing. Trump talked about voter fraud when he said it was rigged. Voter fraud is a non issue. Flimsy evidence huh
Awwww...poor Dems/Libs. Keep fighting the good fight tho...
Sorry about your feelings.
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Only one candidate has been proven to have contact with Russia during his campaign.Awwww...poor Dems/Libs. Keep fighting the good fight tho...
Amazing. How awesome if a revote happened in the US too. I'm sure so many people wouldn't bother to stay home with the knowledge that 'Hillary is going to win for sure. I don't need to go and vote'. Yeah look where that got you with that assumption, and so they'd actually go out and vote this time.
Because those were the only states anyone took seriously. You could look at the crosstabs of a lot of polls in Florida in the lead-up to the election and tell they were bullshit. CNN's next-to-last or last poll basically had Clinton +4 and it was missing about 2/3 of all demographics.
And if you really paid attention during the last week or so, you'd know that NC, OH and IA weren't in play for Clinton. NH shouldn't have been close, and Maine's second should've have gone to Trump going by polling data, but did.
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Lots of Americans are either happy with this result (and if they voted they should be), or they simply are non-confrontational; they have some values they subscribe to, but they care more about safety than they care about what is right or justice. So even if they realise something is wrong, they'll happily be silenced if it means the country doesn't have a natural conflict in itself. In many ways this is the mindset that fueled trump's traction.
DragonSworne
Banned
Why account for race and education?
Sounds like "when I fudge the numbers the evidence of the election being rigged disappears".
Demographics lining up with exit poll data. Cohn from the NYT came to the same conclusion.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I wonder if people in countries where they get to deal with corruption and rigged elections have to deal with shit like this too. I'm not saying there is water to this claim yet, because who knows. But seriously....this mentality helps ensure that if anything shady or corrupt were going on not shit would be done about it.Awwww...poor Dems/Libs. Keep fighting the good fight tho...
gamechanger87
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Because they were two of the biggest determinants of who you voted for.
These guys are essentially saying that Hillary lost the rural counties and they had electronic voting thus there must be hacking. We not have no evidence of it we just think it's hacking.
They completely ignore the fact that Trump cleaned up in rural counties across the US. This combined with the fact they are claiming Michigans electronic voting machines (which don't exist as they are all paper) were hacked should tell you enough.
exmachina64
Banned
Actually, Jill Stein does also. Did Johnson?
Putting in 'Clinton campaign' instead of 'Hillary Clinton' didn't occur to me until after the fact; I inferred 'mulling' since the article didn't mention a decisive response from the campaign and then went on to list the deadlines for deciding whether or not to call for recounts in the specified states.
What's safer? Preventing conflict within the country that already exists and won't be quelled by not investigating this. Or sitting back, and letting Trump be the President and being a puppet of Putin for 4 years.
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Oh we do, in Colombia the No politicians were already calling a rigged election before the results came out, and when No won they very silently backed away from that claim. Then some politicians were calling for a recount since No won with less than 60K votes of difference. 'No' politicians and supporters immediately said "don't undermine democracy! Get over it losers!" or something like that.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yes it is.
So what? You're arguing semantics here and missing the larger point.
If there is reason to suspect actual tampering with votes then this needs to be investigated. I would be for doing this even if Clinton had won. We really have to be secure that all the votes are accounted for and accurate or how can we even have faith in our own systems going forward.
This isn't about not taking the L; as it's about actually making sure things are working as they should. If there is evidence or reason to suspect, I am for digging and making sure one way or the other.
This isn't about not taking the L; as it's about actually making sure things are working as they should. If there is evidence or reason to suspect, I am for digging and making sure one way or the other.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
They should call their research and analysis paper "Grasping at straws out of dire desperation"
Take it on the chin and move on.
Take it on the chin and move on.
exmachina64
Banned
I need to lie down.
Calamari41
41 > 38
She ran up and is still running up the score big time (big league?) in California. Similar situations with deep blue states going deeper than ever at the same time the battlegrounds shifted just enough to flip make this situation not odd at all.
Republicans didn't come out to vote here in CA. They would have if they knew this was a popular vote election.
pixelation
Member
I say go for it, if there is a possibility... miniscule as it may be that Trump doesn't make it to the white house. DO IT...
pixelation
Member
I said that well in advance that Trump was gonna win, racism is way to strong in the states. People said there was no chance (check my post history...) i fucking jinxed Hillary... T_T
They could call for an audit in CA if they wanted. I'm sure a lot of votes would get thrown out there. But it's pointless.
It's almost like her campaign did nothing but hold rally's and fundraisers in California and New York and completely ignored middle America.
You get more votes where you campaign and spend the most time in. It's fucking weird how that works.
She spent a shitload of time in Pennsylvania and Florida. She totally missed what was happening in MI and WI, but the revisionist bullshit isn't helpful.
boiled goose
good with gravy
This being true would be scarier than Trump winning legitimately.
Agreed. So going by 2016 rules it'll be true.
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